Marc,

I am new comer.

thanks in advance for further help.

what's the corelation of the intent between business plan ,comany data and iso9000 4.1?

do we need establish lab if we only calibrate the gage for ourselves?

My background is in QS-9000 but I think the following thoughts apply to general business planning as well as to ISO/QS-9000.

The business plan is used to document company goals and expectation. As a means to determine if these goals and expectations are met we use company level data. We usually use the well used term "Key Measureables".

These key measureable form a major part of element 4.1 (Management Review). The measureables document that company goals and expectations are tracked and that the current quality system is suitable and effective.

I don't know your tier level or if you are even in the automotive field, but calibrations need to be performed by labs that are accredited (registered?) to ISO-17025 lab guidelines and that all calibrations are traceable to "national Standards".

I believe this area of ISO/QS/TS is in minor chaos and am waiting for the dust to settle and have some more definitive directions.

Looking forward to more input!

ASD...

I like the clear explanation.

can you show me a brief example?

quality objective is part of the company goal? if it is,quality system would involve a lot.

how does the company data work? use benchmarking and update the goal?

I like the clear explanation.thank you very much.and,

can you show me a brief example?

quality objective is part of the company goal? if it is,quality system would involve a lot.

how does the company data work? use benchmarking and update the goal?

Marc,

I know you are an expert.

would you please show your idea?

Al,

Why do you have to have calibration done by a 'registered lab'? We don't use one.

Our in-house calibration dept. leaves some 'registered labs' looking a bit sick.

Geoff

Geoff,

Perhaps I should use the term "accredited" instead of registered lab, whether it be internal or external. In the case of automotive, I know that the customer (or their approved second-party) may choose to assess a lab to ensure it meets Guide 25 guidelines.

I agree with you that there are some suspect labs out there and we are currently setting up our own lab that will be accredited to ISO-17025. If you have any tips on setting up such a lab I would be grateful for any input.

ASD...


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Al Dyer
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Each company is different in how they address calibration. If you're just calibrating a few instruments in-house you're probably not going to have a lab per se. But you have to have calibration records, calibration instructions, etc. You will need, I believe, a statement of scope of the calibrations you do. Basically you do have to meet the Guide 25 requirements.

You asked:
> ...what's the corelation of the intent between business plan
> comany data and iso9000 4.1?

You do realize this is the QS 9000 forum, don't you?

I agree with Al's comments in regard to this.

thank you for your reply.
quote:
You do realize this is the QS 9000 forum, don't you?

--why qs9000 add the clause business plan?

my friend told me qs9000 additional clause are not additional requirement but specified way to iso9000, how do you think such plan is
for which iso clause?

QS-9000 is ISO 9001 PLUS a bunch of FORD, GM and Chrysler requirements (such as the business plan requirement). QS-9000 is really a customer requirement - it is not an international specification.

> my friend told me qs9000 additional
>clause are not additional requirement

Wrong -- The additional stuff QS 9000 has that ISO 9001 doesn't have are indeed requirements.

I guess the business plan requirement is something they decided was a 'basic' business requirement.