Hi everyone.

Does everyone know about the new Ford Q1:2002. I found a letter on the Ford Supplier Network outlining FMC new revision of their Q1 award.

It has alot of continuous improvement requirements, which never hurts, but it also has a MS9000, MMG requirement which is something to do with control of material flow (I think).

There is also a self assessment checklist which includes the requirement for "Suppliers with high impact" to be QS9000 or 16949 "Compliant" with the customer (Us) verifying this with an annual visit.

Anyone know anything else about this latest requirement from Ford's??

By the way all tier 1 supplier's to Fords only have untill Feburary 1st 2002 to meet all of the requirements and submit them to Ford.

See the file Q1_2002-Final_Aug.pdf in http://Elsmar.com/pdf_files/

You might also want to take a quick read through:

http://Elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=2138

My 'mole' sez:

We are pleased to announce the global launch of Q1 2002! It reflects the best of the present Q1 with increased emphasis on manufacturing process capability, variability reduction and key performance metrics. The CEOs of Production suppliers in North America and Europe, including Jaguar, were mailed the Q1 2002 book on August 31, 2002.

The Q1 2002 journey begins with the launch of an updated Supplier Improvement Metrics (SIM). Beginning with the September 17th SIM publication, suppliers will know their Q1 2002 status and overall score, which is linked to their SIM summary report, on a monthly basis. Starting September 11th, to learn more about Q1 2002, suppliers can go to https://web.bli.ford.com

Details on that page include: Q1 2002 book Q1 2002/SIM/Global Site Management Database Training Guide Q1 2002 Manufacturing Site Assessment.

I received a Q1 2002 Summary from Ford this morning. If there is interest, I'll send Marc a copy to post.

Originally posted by Ken K

I received a Q1 2002 Summary from Ford this morning. If there is interest, I'll send Marc a copy to post.You can upload it here in a reply in this thread as an attachment.

Or... You can e-mail it to me and I'll post it for you if you want me to.

Another new feature I missed.

Here it is:

Originally posted by Ken K

Another new feature I missed.Pretty nifty, eh? Any file up to 3 megabytes.

Hey.... This is a class act, here! :thedeal:

As part of the Q1 2002 capability requirement, Ford requires that suppliers demonstrate certification to QS-9000/TS-16949 and compliance to MMOG/MS-9000/Odette no later than February 1, 2002, must also provide third party certification to ISO14001.

Just curious if the manual was helpful to those who downloaded it.
Also curious to hear your comments about this requirement.

Sam - you mention that Ford requires (by 2002) "certification to QS9000/TS16949...". Ford, up to this date, has not required certification to QS9K. Is this a new requirement? They have, on the other hand, required certification (registration) to ISO14001.:ko:

Roger,
The letter that I received states" must demonstrate certification to QS9000/TS-16949 and compliance to MMOG/MS-9000/Odette . . . . "
As a general rule Ford has not required certification in the past, However it may be that certificatiion is required if you wish to become Q1 certified.

I guess my next question is: Is Ford requiring their suppliers to be Q1 certified?

Yes. As I understand it. I'm working with a transportation supplier right now in their ISO9K2K upgrade, implementation of ISO 14001 and QOS. While I know what the 'advertisement' from Ford says about a year 2002 deadline, my client has been given until Q3 2003 to achieve Q1.

They were told they have no choice - so I can only suggest if they're forcing this on supplirs of transportation services, they're requiring it of parts and materials suppliers.

So, if Q1 is required, then is "certification" to QS or TS required, too? If so, then does "certification" mean "3rd party registered"? But I thought that Ford didn't required 3rd party registration to any quality standard. Then again, if "certification" means compliance....:eek:

Sticking my nose in where it probably shouldn't be ----- but, isn't Q1 only required for tier 1 suppliers?

My understanding was that all sub-suppliers could be approved by 3rd party accreditation or by an approved tier 1 supplier. In either case, the only requirement was the current ISO 9000 (excluding ISO 9003).

Dave

Dave - Yes, my question is to tier 1 suppliers. Ford has not required 3rd party registration to QS9000 for its suppliers up till now. Seeing Sam's post, I was wondering if, with Q1, Ford was now requiring 3rd party registration (certification) to QS9000 or TS16949 (in order to be Q1). By the way, I am originally from Amherst, Ohio. Is Wellington still the nice small town that I remember?

Roger, As I understand the Ford letter; a supplier who wishes to become "Q1" must be certifified to QS and/or TS, ISO 14000 and show compliance to MMOG/MS-9000/Odette. The first question/statement on the Q1-2002 checklist is " Supplier is third party certified to QS9000/TS16949". Yes/No

And speaking of Ohio, I'm originally from "Zanesville" home of the Blue Devils and the "Y" bridge.

:thedeal: OK Guys and Gals,

I did a little research on FSN; Page 25 Appendix A of the ford
Q1-2002 RUQUIREMENTS States that. All Q1 suppliers must be third party certified to either QS 9000 or TS 16949 failure to do so wil result in Q1 revocation.:eek: We will also have to be certified to ISO 14001 by July 1, 2003. This is for existing Q1 suppliers, all new Q1 suppliers must be certified to ISO 14001 prior to February 1, 2001.

Hope this helps.
C-YA,

Curt

I'm working with a client in transportation. A small company - trucking. I have a letter signed by one Jeff Zimmerman (listed as Motor Carrier Buyer) which gives my client until September 2003 to 'achieve' Q1 status. So - there is some flex. ISO 14001 is also required. Instead of QS or TS, they're requiring 3rd party certification to ISO 9001:2000

Just a note:

As I understand it the 2002 date is correct for manufacturers, etc. Note that in my post just above, the 2003 date was for one particular, small (15 people?) trucking company. I do <b>NOT</b> mean to imply that the 2002 date cited by Ford is not correct. I'm sure it IS correct.... For most companies...

After talking with Dana Snelgrove by telephone Thursday (Quality Manager - Transportation Purchasing - dsnelgro@ford.com ) I came away with the same feeling that prompted me to refuse to work a direct Ford contract again. That is, I won't work directly for Ford again unless they're willing to cough up some serious bucks. I did some training at a Ford fabrication and assembly facility about a year ago and it was a nightmare. I left in disgust.

I noticed that the Q1:2002 Summary document is already available as a pdf here.

I haven't seen the actual "Manufacturing Site Assessment form yet, so I'm attaching it here. My Ford STA appreciates my efforts to make it widely distributed.

We have tried and tried to submit a Q1 (pre-2002) petition package to our Ford Purchasing agent with zero luck. We have tried for 2 years. I am certain that the Ford Buyer is our STA so why don't they help? What's really a pain is going back to our old FOrd projects and obtaining recommendation letters from them.
We are equipment suppliers (tier 1 and 2), QS9000TE, our parent company is ISO14001 and we're going for it in May '02).

Has anyone else had problems with their STAs? Any suggestions?

John, the reluctance to approve any pre-Q1:2002 might be because any current pre-Q1:2002 Q1's are now obsolete and all suppliers must be "requalified" to the Q1:2002 requirements.

As for STA's, they will have a lot of input as to whether or not a company is granted Q1:2002 status, as many of the assessment criteria are somewhat subjective.

I don't know what to tell you. My luck with Ford on any level has been a :frust: experience.

From the Ford "Q1 Manual";

"APPLYING FOR Q1 2002
Ford Supplier Technical Assistance (STA) will guide you through the Q1 process.
The first thing you'll need to do is contact your Ford STA site engineer."

"Must be registered to QS9000 or TS 16949 and ISO14000, required for new applicants. Must comply with MS-9000 (MMOG).
Suppliers must have at least six consecutive months of production or service shipping history. "
These two quotes are not the complete section of "Applying for Q1 2002". I would suggest you go to the Ford supplier network and obtain the complete manual.

Also, prior to the on-site survey you must have six months of acceptable quality and delivery history, including ASN timeliness and accuracy.

Thanks, everyone, your insight has been helpful. Bottom line is we are at their [STAs] whim.

We have just completed (Nov '01) a new e-coat paint shop for Ford at their St. Thomas AP in Canada. We were not even Q1 when we were awarded the contract. Regardless, the job went in and we've heard nothing but accolades from the plant.

Even Ford Engineering wants to use us on future projects, but they're not having luck getting thru to the STAs [read Purchasing] either. Seems as though an empire has been built within the Ford realm.

For the Tooling and Equipment suppliers for Ford you have to be Chosen to even apply. The pre-requisites are similar, ISO-14000, TE-9000 and QOS. I did enjoy the humor of "You have been CHOSEN".:vfunny:

John Swartz,Seems as though an empire has been built within the Ford realm.

I know exactly what you mean John.
Ford have allowed management of the Q1 status to be rather domineering to say the least, the management style of Ford in general allows management by intimidation regarding suppliers. Internally? (I just won't go there right now):frust:
Well maybe I will off line!
Wallace.

We are tooling suppliar and recieved a letter stating that our products are not targeted for Q102. Only products that the go on the car will be targeted.

ISOCOP:frust:

ISOCOP

I would sure like to see that letter! It might be just what I need to get my President off my back!

I was always under the impression that Q1 was for production parts suppliers, not the T&E crowd. I'm afraid, though, that Ford will probably tweak the Q1 requirements some day just for us T&E'ers. Until then I will strive to continuously improve!

:ko:

John, your worst nightmare is upon you. We are a TE supplier to Ford and have been Q1 for 2 years now! We were their beta test site. Last year we were told we were choosen, again, for the Q1 2002 crap shoot. In addition they included our new facility which is responsible for production fixture "DESIGNS". Again we will be a test site to see how this applies. The 28 questions for R&M should be a great deal of fun trying to apply to a fixture design, don't you think? It was a nightmare on die designs but at least we could do MTTR & MTBF studies.:frust:

We shall have our final certification audit for TS-16949:2002 (2nd edition) in September 2002. and finally certification to this standard. But as i understood from Q1:2002 Standard, SUPPLIER MUST HAVE CERTIFICATION OF TS 16949 ON FEBURARY 2002. If this is the case have we already lost 250 points????
BIG LOSS I SUPPOSE!!

Does anyone have an actual MANUAL for the new Q1:2002?

I don't mean the highly polished management overview that was presented to suppliers. I mean the updated equivilant of the old Q101 book. It would sure be nice to have some clear definitions of some of the requirements (OS, HIC, PTC, etc.) other than what you can glean from the new survey checklist.

I haven't seen anything other than the "highly polished" overview. I guess Ford expects us to search through their on-line database, or work with the STA, to get specific information we need. All the "acronymic" topics you speak of will have to be gleaned from a multitude of resources. Nothing is simple in life -- especially dealing with the automotive industry -- anymore.

We're a TE supplier to Ford and have a meeting in a couple weeks with our STA to go over Q1:2002 and I'll see if they have a copy of an actual manual. If so, I'll let you know. If possible, I'll scan it and post it here.

Hello everyone.

I am in a similar position to you all. We are a TE supplier to Fords going through the process of requalifying to the new Q1.

Please find attached a copy of the Q1:2002 requirements manual.

:bonk:

Happy hunting.

p.s. If the file attachment has not worked send me your e-mail addresses and I will send the manual to you.

Good Afternoon All: I am in the process of completing our MSA for Ford and one of the requirements (I.3. Employee Readiness/Training Review) states
" Training records of key salaried personnel (i.e., QC manager, Incoming Receiving managers, etc.) are reviewed regularly for compliance." Does anyone do this, if so, can you please describe the system you use. I requested supporting evidence of this activity from our HR Manager and was told I needed to find out more about the requirement as he was not sure exactly what I was looking for. He waws sure however, we are not doing it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you:

Respectfully:

Ragnar.

What standard is that requirement taken from?

Hello,

we having some trouble wih our latest PPM rates. Now we wnat to start a discussion about to increase our Commodity PPM (33 PPM) we have at the moment with Ford in the Q1 Rating system.

Can you tell me as Ford Suppliers were your values for the Commodity PPM is?
I need to now if 33 is a low or average value.

Thanks,

Tamara

Hello sir(s),

We need help on the below from U.We are new to this requirement.

Two days back, we face FORD Q1 Audit, In (Q1) Meanufacturing site Assement checklick under point II.5.4 , the following are the requirements.

Supplier has a documented "Dropped/damaged gauge" policy that is followed by all employees. This ensures that only functional, in-specification gauges are used.

for the above there is a action plan for Records of dropped/damaged gauges are in compliance.

Any body having the policy on the above,pl share with us.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Jyothiswar.M

Hello sir(s),

We need help on the below from U.We are new to this requirement.

Two days back, we face FORD Q1 Audit, In (Q1) Meanufacturing site Assement checklick under point II.5.4 , the following are the requirements.

Supplier has a documented "Dropped/damaged gauge" policy that is followed by all employees. This ensures that only functional, in-specification gauges are used.

for the above there is a action plan for Records of dropped/damaged gauges are in compliance.

Any body having the policy on the above,pl share with us.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Jyothiswar.M

You need an instruction to all the workers that if they drop or damage gauges.
They must take it to a responsible person and it must be checked. Keep a log of all actions.
Good luck

Ralph Sulser has asked that I attached this file for your perusal as his company's firewall does not permit attachments. He developed the flowchart for the Ford Q1 request. Any questions, please send them his way;)