Dear Friend

My friend tell me that in his work

they produce a plastic parts

they totaly inspection the products dimension but they didn't maintain the record or measurement


only the QC inspector record the item no. and its status for Quality Approved or not

the approve upon the measurement of dimesnsion but they didn't keep this measurement


is this enought or the audito may be evaluate it as non conform

it depends upon customer requirements, if there is only a control of pass-no pass based upon a target value of the request measurements or it is also requested to record those measurements as well.
Besides, check control plan and the procedures estableshed for this kind of acitvity/process.

Procedure for record retention should help in this,consider that they are qulity records

no there is no customer requirement for measurements

no there is no customer requirement for measurements

You should be OK.

Stijloor.

Your question cannot be answered without knowing more details...it depends on many factors....not only customer requirements
is this an in-process or final/acceptance inspection?
are the parts produced in a continuous automatic/semi automatic process (such as molding) or are manual processes involved?
Are the processses statistically controlled ?
I would say in general that if the quantities warant this , you should use sampling, a valid sampling plan, and the measurements of the parts in the sample should be recorded: required vs. measured
If the process itself is SPC controlled , measure and record only the process parameters

Your question cannot be answered without knowing more details...it depends on many factors....not only customer requirements
Customer requirements, legal requirements, or business needs. Those are the factors. If customer and legal requirements don't require the dimensions to be recorded, the organization gets to decide based on their own needs and criteria.

I agree with Wiley. I have come across at least one case where the Quality Plan shows certain IN-process checks to made but no records to be maintained. Fine. I take a round of the shop floor during the audit and find no evidence of checks being made during production even after verifying it with the line incharge and the concerned operator. I dig a little more and find more muck, but that is another story.

The point is that Quality/Control plan should be appropriate to the nature, criticality and the control methodology adopted for a particular item / parameter. And the implementation cannot always be verified unless a certain minimum amount of recording is done.

So one has to take all factors into account and decide on no, some or detailed records as appropriate.

Good responses to this question. I would only add that, absent of other internal/external requirements, I would record and keep the first piece measurements, and however many afterward I needed to for "proof" that the parts were made according to specs.

I've never quite understood why, from a management stand point, you'd ask someone to make a measurement and not record it! A check mark is of little use, either, unless a gauge is being employed - and then the measurement can be traced to the calibrated value. If the check mark is made on a grid of possible dimensions, that would accomplish the same as recording the value, of course.

Without recording actual values, there can be no analysis for trends, if there's no analysis, there can be no action. This is at the very heart of effective statistical process control, isn't it?

No, I really don't know why I'd pay someone to do something and then not be able to use the result......

I've never quite understood why, from a management stand point, you'd ask someone to make a measurement and not record it! A check mark is of little use, either, unless a gauge is being employed - and then the measurement can be traced to the calibrated value. If the check mark is made on a grid of possible dimensions, that would accomplish the same as recording the value, of course.

Without recording actual values, there can be no analysis for trends, if there's no analysis, there can be no action. This is at the very heart of effective statistical process control, isn't it?

No, I really don't know why I'd pay someone to do something and then not be able to use the result......

You can use the result to sell the product.

I totally agree with Andy and was thinking on similar lines :)