I had a long talk yesterday with a Ford quality man and asked him what is going on with all the standards.
His answer was basically that with QS and or 16949 Ford does not have any control whereas with Q1 they can take this away immediately at an on site visit. If this happens then per QS 4.1.6.1 you need to tell your registrar within 5 days.

This control aspect is as far as I could understand the reason that they are pushing the Q1.
He further said that it was obvious that one should wait for 16949:2002 for accreditation.
As to customer requirements, see thread http://Elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=4056 etc. they will push their own APQP reporting system. Also they have specific Ford requirements for FMEA.
This might explain some of the questions that have been raised by others as to Ford.

If you are a Ford supplier, you can have access to the Ford supplier network. Online tutorials are there for FMEA ansd APQP, among others.

Q1 also incorporates the 5S, MMOG, QOS and controls for pass through characteristics.

So now we have Powerway http://Elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=848 for Daimler/Chrysler and Intergral Solutions for Ford.Attention Ford Suppliers: APQP SRG Software is the ONLY software package approved and recommended by Ford Motor Company for meeting the Ford's APQP status reporting requirements.
http://www.integralsolutions.com - Link was: /webroot/software-srg_overview.asp
:bonk:

What do GM want????????

So much for the standardization that QS9000 brought, eh? It looks like entropy is taking over again. except in the standards arena now. Are we back to (or did we ever leave) customer visits and the quirks that the OE "auditors" brought with them? When the OE's first introduced QS9000 to their suppliers, I know they were looking for payback. Guess they never saw it....or is it that the Big 3 just doesn't know how to manage their own costs? After all, who is repsonsible for the laying off of 35,000 employees? Is it the "high cost" suppliers?

Howard Atkins said:
What do GM want????????

Bulletin Subject: APQP Web-based System
Date Posted: 10.MAY.2002

Message: To: GM Direct Material Suppliers
As announced previously, General Motors has selected Powerway.com as a Web-based APQP application to enable tracking and reporting of APQP data. General Motors is actively working on systems integration activities to connect internal legacy systems to the Powerway.com web application. The target for implementation is the third quarter of this year, and all suppliers involved in NAVO programs must participate in this initiative.

Powerway.com is Covisintï¾ï¾’s chosen technology provider for communicating advanced quality planning activities. It enables communication and connectivity within the automotive supply chain, organizes key APQP information (GM 1927 requirements), and provides an easy means for sharing quality information and displaying part quality readiness between customers and suppliers. The system also allows each supplier to use the system to track APQP with its supply base.

Powerway.com’s service requires a minimal monthly per seat fee based on the number of users, and a one time licensing fee for each supplier based on the number of manufacturing locations. Powerway will contacting you directly regarding enrollment.

Suppliers involved in the GMT305 program will need to be enrolled by June 1, 2002, as this program has been chosen as a pilot. More detailed information on the NAVO implementation, and regional rollout information, will be communicated within the next few months.

Ford has approved all tier 1 suppliers to perform second party audits of subcontractors (re Supplier Development, 4.6.2.1) for some time now.
In a letter dated April 17, they recomend that Tier 1 audits of subcontractors be based on their Q1 Manufacturing Site Assessment or QS9000 / TS16949. Auditors should be trained in Q1 2002 etc.
I'm just waiting for GM and Chrysler to accept Q1 2002 "certification" inlieu of 16949.

Maybe I'm a little behind the times here, but will GM and Chrysler accept a Ford initiative like Q1? I have not seen much "crossover" like this. QS9000 is the most agreement that I have seen between the Big 3 and, even then, Ford seem to do their own thing with Q1. Again, I may be behind the times here.

As far as I know there is no reciprical recognition.

Sorry, I was being sarcastic in saying I'm waiting for GM and Chrysler to accept Ford Q1!

OK, Hermann. I can understand sarcasm better than I can understand harmony in thinking! Sheeesh, talk about a convoluted world.....

Howard, do I read your post correctly. GM is requiring suppliers to hook up with Powerway?

Dave, as far as I understand yes.
This is a quaote from a GM document, the strange shapes must be some glitch with my browser.

gmsupplypower has been promoting powerway for some months now. What is new in the above bulletin is that it will be mandatory 3rd quarter this year.
Since our in house apqp is more in line with Ford's (23 elements), we will certainly wait untill we have to log on to powerway (and pay up).
Bye the way, there were some minor changes to Ford's apqp in April this year.

Powerway, eh? The fact that GM can mandate that is beyond me. Why not just give us a set of requirements and let us deal with the "how to's"? (more bungle in the jungle....)

Hermann said:

By the way, there were some minor changes to Ford's apqp in April this year.
What might those be? Specifics appreciated.

Roger Eastin said:

Powerway, eh? The fact that GM can mandate that is beyond me. Why not just give us a set of requirements and let us deal with the "how to's"? (more bungle in the jungle....)
I thought Chrysler bought Powerway. Anyone know the true scoop?

I believe I know why they want to do it - they want everything online for as close to realtime data as they can get.

As far as GM mandating it, it's simple. A company typically does whatever the major customer(s) want. If GM says "Stand on your head and spit wooden nickels"..., the supplier has to.... ask when and for how long!

Ellen Laden,

Good morning!

My CEO has asked me to investigate the integration between Powerway and the B3.

The one question I have not been able to confirm or refute is to whether Chrysler has purchased powerway or taken a minor ownership of the company?

Any information would could reply with would be greatly appreciate! I have used your products in the past and look forward to using it in the future.

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Answer

Powerway is privately-held, and Daimler-ChryslerChrysler has an equity stake in our company.

For more information, log onto our Website www.powerwayinc.com click on About Powerway; then News; then scroll down to May 25, 2000 release about Chrysler's investment in our company.

Thank you for your interest in Powerway.

Regards,
Ellen Laden
Powerway corporate communications
eladen@powerwayinc.com
317-915-4608

EDIT BY E. WALL: Link to Powerway had a typo. I removed the ; at the end of the url address.

Here it is folks an offical GM bulletin:

Bulletin Subject: Powerway APQP System Launch
Date Posted: 28.JUN.2002

Message: To: All GM Production Suppliers to North American Vehicle Operations
As announced previously, General Motors has selected Powerway.com as a web-based APQP application to enable tracking and reporting of APQP data. General Motors is actively working on systems integration activities to connect internal legacy systems to the Powerway.com web application. The target for implementation is October of this year, and all suppliers with new part numbers (first time shipped) for 2004 model year NAVO programs and beyond must participate in this initiative.

Powerway.com is the common industry standard for APQP and is Covisint's chosen technology provider for communicating advanced quality planning activities. It enables communication and connectivity within the automotive supply chain, organizes key APQP information (GM 1927 requirements), and provides an easy means for sharing quality information and displaying part quality readiness between customers and suppliers. The system also allows each supplier to use the system to track APQP with its supply base.

Powerway.com's service requires a minimal monthly per seat fee based on the number of users, and a one time licensing fee for each supplier based on the number of manufacturing locations. System training should be arranged through Powerway as part of the enrollment process. Please click on http://www.powerwayinc.com/gminfo and complete the brief form so a Powerway representative can contact you with critical sign-up information including rates. If you would like to speak with someone about Powerway.com immediately, please call Powerway at 1-888-317-5093 or email them at gminquiries@powerwayinc.com. All suppliers need to begin the enrollment process as soon as possible to ensure a Powerway contract is in place prior to October 1, 2002.

This bulletin does not apply to suppliers who provide parts solely to North American Powertrain, Metal Fab, and Service Parts Operations plants. Rollout for these organizations will be communicated in the near future.