Help folks,

Do any of you know of a website(s) that have quality games descriptions on them like Deming's Red Bead Experiment. I need to organize some training within my company and need something toliven up my presentations - as you know the best way to learn is to do.

All help is appreciated.

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Paul R Alexander
Program Quality Engineer (Ford Division)
Lear Automotive Engineering GmbH & Co KG

Hi Guys!!

I'm back, and need your help.

Does anyone have any suggestions for quality type games to get peoples blood flowing in understanding "quality" ie. The bead experiment by Deming etc.

Just something to get people thinking...

Also, if anyone knows of any books on this type of thing.

Thank you............................

Edith:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I believe there is a book or maybe even a kit called "Games for Trainers"? I thought I had some info on it, If found I will post. Also, the "Fifth Discipline Fieldbook" has some general training games (e.g. one stresses listening skills while interviewing with a blindfold on).

I'm interested as well. Edith - I recently "invented" one of my own. Actually, I'm still getting my thoughts together on what points I can make with it.

It started with me finding dice that my son had for a Dungeons and Dragons game, or some other role play type game. One die is a pyramid (4 sided) one is 8 sided, one is 10 sided and one is 20 sided. Rolling the die, adding the numbers and sampling 3 "rolls" I created a control chart. I had the kids be "operators" and of course all the typical Deming red bead stuff occurred. We pretended "bigger is better" and after a "motivating" speech, there was a trend of 5 increasing averages. I don't suppose it is any different with regular dice, except the 20 sided dice adds alot of variation - and makes for some more interesting histograms, etc.

Several other typical Deming things occurred. The kids "picked" on one for rolling low, etc.

So now I'm thinking of other things....I had a conversation yesterday about how a process could be in control but not capable, and this process could help demonstrate it. How could you reduce variation? Etc. I think if I work at it, I can have a neat example. My sons indicates these dice are available in many shapes and sizes.

If anyone has any input to this, I'd appreciate it. Like what other points can be made or other "exercises" within the game.

(I'd like to work in the concept of overadjustment, because another topic had to do with "getting close to the control limit." Maybe adding or subtracting the 4 sided die?)

My company has developed a Software for Learning Statistical Process Control through Experiments. With 'Quincunx SPC Simulator' simulates a process and lets you experiment with parameters to learn various aspects of SPC such as why and how control charts work

To download a fully functional shareware version go to : http://www.symphonytech.com/quincunx.htm
-Atul.

Hi Laura,

Seems like you really have something there...

There was one game I heard about that taught employees about variation. The way it went was: You freeze a block of cheese, and then during your "game" you have each employee/student try to slice a pc using a cheese slicer. (Which turns out to be impossible)

It teaches variation through the different slices you get, customer satisfaction (the cheese slice may not look great, but in a sauce it wouldn't matter?)

Again, I don't know the whole theory of the game, but it sounds interesting.!:smokin:

Once again, thanks for the input!
Edith

Edith,
Ran across this while searching the web and thought of you;

http://maple.lemoyne.edu/~wright/learn.htm

Thanks for the link Sam, I found it to be VERY useful!

I find that teaching through games, is so much easier.

Thanks again,
Edith:bigwave: :bigwave: :bigwave:

there are so many out there.......so alot depends on what you eant to get across....i have a book callled 'games trainers play' and there are subsequent editions 3 I believe.

i also made up a stats game.... cause i wanted something different...i use it in operator training, and intro to SPC. and sometimes just to prove a point....it is a hands on exercise. the group or groups.... represent a penny candy manufacturer.......and they are getting customer complaints about variation in the bags of assorted candies sold ...so you set the stage and elaborate (one of my favorite things!!!) Any way you do the problem solving things (another variation to the game) and look at the process. the candy is hand bagged. so you dump a huge bag of assorted candies...the key here is to get a bag that has stuff like tootsie pops, boxes of dots, small mints and so on.....and the procedure says take a handful and place in a sandwich baggie.....so then you have them do it...and of course the variation is quite obvious, especially with jokers taking huge grabs.....so then they chart the variation, and groups can compete to brain storm the best solution. The Std dev and area under the curve never fail me...oh ya .....counting is not allowed per order of the CEO to maintain the old family tradition yada yada....so they make decisions on improvements...some even fire the guy doing the most variation...its great fun. it Works great where there is resistance to SPC.

For some thoughts on the Red bead Experiment see http://www.hanford.gov/safety/vpp/redbeadreach.pdf at http://www.hanford.gov/safety/vpp/trend.htm

I truly believe that each class has to be tailored to the participants. Some people I know could not tell the difference between a red or a blue bead. Some others could teach me a few things. Those are the ones I want for further education and promotion.

That is why I believe the class has to be tuned to the audience. 20 years ago someone said to me TFE, I had no idea what he was talking about until the flow charts came. This man tought to the class, not the established system.

ASD...

This was just posted on the quality NG. I noticed it was posted by a pqsystems employee. I cannot comment on it having never tried it, but thought it might be worth a look. I checked and the price is US$39.95 (not a real big investment).
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You might look at this collection of computer based simulations and
experiments.

http://www.pqsystems.com/gameboxoverview.htm
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I have the CD...it's **** lame. Too simplistic for what I want
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> You might look at this collection of computer based simulations and
> experiments.

I have a video recorded in 1987 where Dr. JOYCE N. ORSINI presented the Red Bead Experiment in Caracas; it wasn´t edited and it´s in beta format (betamax). This was an exclusive presentation for our Deming User Group in Venezuela.
I could convert it in VHS format and send a copy to my son in the USA if any person of the Cove is interested in it. I don´t want convert this offer in a personal business but the price will be extremely cheap.
MARC: I apologize for this offer in this place but Dr. ORSINI is a relevant person in the DEN in the USA and the explanation is really according to the text in the Dr. Deming´s book. Out of the Crisis, pages 346 to 352.
The 90% of the money will be send to the W.E. Deming Foundation.

NOTE: Dr. ORSINI don´t have a copy of her presentation and i´ll also send a copy to her in the Fordham University in New York. :bigwave:

Is there a questions and answers section to the presentation, or is it tied into the presentation of the experiment only? And, about how long will the tape be?

Regards,

Kevin

Is there a questions and answers section to the presentation, or is it tied into the presentation of the experiment only? And, about how long will the tape be?

The tape, without editing has 3 hours because the conference content was the theory of the first book published on QUALITY, PRODUCTIVITY AND COMPETITIVE POSITION (1981) as named by Dr. Deming in his letter to the participants. I also have a copy of this book.

The read bead was presented, with some participants as the workers and the supervisor, in about 45 minutes.
:bigwave:

looks like this could tie to the "help i need a training forum" thread

Thanks for the information. I have seen a few videos from some of the folks from the DEN and found most to be interesting and informative. I was hoping for some Q&A at the end since two presentations I have seen are a bit thin in this area. The Lessons of the Red Beads is as important as the experiment itself.

Regards,

Kevin

I got a chance to do the PDCA card game described by Dave Vollmer in the first link posted by Jim Wade during a Train the Trainer session. It worked beyond my wildest expectations. In the excercise a spot cards only deck of 80 cards has to be evenly distributed to the teammates by total combined face value as fast as possible. Some notes not in the post. The groups size must be 4 or 5 so that the 440 pips in the deck can be distributed evenly. I told them the basics of the excercise before starting. Initially both groups needed the full 2 minutes and had about 48 defects (deviations from correct counts). Second cycle was 1:40 with similar defects. I then told them that "World Class" was 45 seconds with zero defects. They group were openly incredulous ( my translation for "no F***ing way, impossible"). One group improved to 1:15 with 20 defects but the other group was 40s with o defects. They wanted another kick at the can and this resulted in a record of 34.44s with zero defects. Their technique was to spread cards out face up and have each of the 4 team members pull out pairs of cards totalling 11 repeated 10 times. With a five man team this should be ~20% faster. Interesting thing was that knowing what world class was (i.e. benchmarking) lead to the most dramatic improvement. The group were highly competitive and there was immense satisfaction when world class levels were achieved and then improved upon. I got several next day emails from happy participants and a claim that if a 4 man team grab cards by suits or divide the deck and deal by suits it should be possible to get down to the 25s level. I have 4 more groups to do this with so we shall see. Bottom line, it demonstares the power of PDCA and incremental improvement very effectively while having a blast. Total time 35 minutes.

Hello, I have seen several requests as to where to purchase the Dr. Deming RED BEAD Experiement.

The original game available from the developers may be ordered online at: www.redbead.com

email to: mjohnson@redbead.com

Regards, Mike Johnson, General manager,
Patricia LTD California USA & Riga Latvia