Hi everyone!

(Marc- I'm not sure if I should have put this post here, or in the one for registrars, but feel free to move it accordingly)

Ok. So I'm just in the process of signing my Conversion Registration Proposal. I'm just looking at how it's going to work out. I just wondered how other registrars are handling this.

Here's what mine is doing. They will come on site to do a preaudit. They plan to check your manual(s) and objectives. If you pretty much have a quality system, they will tell you what changes to make. Then they will come back a month or 2 later to do a second audit. Here they expect to see a fully functioning and effective quality system. Then you will be on a regular maintenance audit schedule. They also provided me with a gap analysis. It's just the questions, I have to do the analysis myself.

Is this pretty much what will be going on across the board?

Thanks

FG

Fire Girl, most of my clients (using a variety of registrars) are simply converting through regularly scheduled surveillance audits. A desk review might or might not be performed.

Fire Girl said:

Here's what mine is doing. They will come on site to do a preaudit. They plan to check your manual(s) and objectives. If you pretty much have a quality system, they will tell you what changes to make. Then they will come back a month or 2 later to do a second audit. Here they expect to see a fully functioning and effective quality system.
FG

I hope they are not "telling" you what to do.

As far as how is ours handling the change over. Good question TUV Management Service as far as I know is doing nothing. At least that is the impression I get since when ever I callthe office nobody is ever able to answer and questions and never returns your calls. Am I bitter, **** yes!

Some other registrars are giving the option of doing a partial 9K2K audit (1/2 day extra) each time they come in, writing OI's for areas that may be lacking to 9K2K, then when the company is ready to switch it should be seemless.

Our registrar will conert us over during a surveillance and it will add an extra day. Schedule yours ahead of time!!!

ISO GUY said:

I hope they are not "telling" you what to do.

ISO GUY - Ok, Ok, I used the term 'telling' loosely. You know what I mean, pointing out your weak areas.

I love my registrar. We use SGS, the last company I worked at also used them. The company I am at now did have another registrar and nothing but trouble. Anyway, I do really recommend them.

I can' t believe yours isn't doing anything!!:eek: Mine has sent out tons of stuff. They gave me a gap analysis to do and a bunch of stuff on they would like you to change your system over (like how they plan to schedule your audits,etc). Perhaps it's time to get rid of them and move on.

Good luck!

FG

Fire I figured as much on the "telling" part. I just wanted to make sure because I have come across Registrars that tell them what to do.

We are in the process of selecting a new Registrar, I have heard that a lot of TUV customers are leaving or considering leaving them. Not only will we get better service with our new Registrar but we will save 10-14K per year.

We've informed our Registrar that we would like our transition audit to occur within the timeframe of our surveillance audit schedule. SRI did not have a problem with that.

Our Gap Analysis was performed internally using SRI's checklist. We are also strongly considering having our Registrar come on-site to perform a pre-assessment several months ahead of our transition audit.

The 4 I have been through so far have been a document review and then the upgrade at the regular 'survival' audit. Nothing special except the document review. No pre-assessment or anything like that. Nor did I see a pre-assessment as necessary.

Marc i would agree with the statement you made about not needing a pre-assessment. However, I would very strongly urge that companies receive training to 9K2K and the differences espically upper management. JMHO

Our registrar Intertek Services, has scheduled our upgrade to 2000 the day after our anual audit. There will be a half day document review 6 weeks prior to the audit. This registrar is quite busy and I had to schedule my annual September audit in March.

Top Management will be actively involved in the transition to the new Standard. For the most part, they're actually looking forward to it. There are, of course, a few bad apples but as the saying goes "vee have zee vays of dealing vit zem." I am certain that they will join the rest of us on the non-Dark Side.

As for the pre-assessment, we were considering that as the final check that we are good-to-go for the final transition audit. As our transition will not occur until June 2003, if we somehow end up completely missing the boat, this may affect our ability to meet the deadline in December 2003. A pre-assessment in February or March 2003 will provide us with an indication as to our readiness.

It may not be necessary - after all, there really isn't a whole lot of new "stuff" in the new Standard - but my organization has a lot of major projects on the go over the next few years, meaning the transition will be a slow process. The pre-assessment is our way of ensuring that the baby steps we have taken to make the transition were the proper ones.

For the most part we (the registrar I work with) is asking how the client wants to handle it, stating the deadline for turnover as 12/03. Suggesting that as you roll over each element/topic you alert them pre survival visit and they will audit those then, so that as the deadline approaches it is absorbed/done...no extra days, no extra charge....if you wait, then all the work is at once and may need an extra day/doc review etc...case by case....more likely than not as the deadline nears. There also is a generic GAP checklist for the client to use.

IMS...UKAS out of the UK.....and their sales office in MA. IMSworld.org

Our registrar (SGS) did the transition registration for us to ISO 9001:2000 at the beginning (re-registration) of our second cycle.

Our registration to ISO 9002 ran out in January 2002 and we registered to ISO 9001:2000 during the first quarter of 2002.

For the transition, SGS performed a desk audit in December 2001 and doubled the "auditor days" for the registration audit from 5 to 10 (we have an integrated QMS and EMS, I believe we have extra days to accommodate the EMS). They were thorough, professional and very helpful.

We successfully passed the registration for ISO 9001:2000 and re-registration to ISO 14001 at the end of March 2002.

survival....surveillance.......a periodic review that if you survive it....you keep the cert...LOL.........a bit of humor perhaps?

Just a little sarcasm on my end, Jim. You do get a bit serious and focused from time to time... :lick:

Consider yourself 'eased up on'. (I did use a smilie so energy would know I'm joking around!)

BTW - I used the word survival because it fit better than inquisition. :thedeal: