The Old JENNEJOHNN ISO ListServe

Information (old) is in attachment for historical purposes.

This post revised 11 February 2005

Someone recently asked me whatever happened to the JENNEJOHNN listserve. I don't know. Do any of you?

According to the info in Post 1, it was run out of UW-Stout. this school recently won a Baldrige. Why not write the lady who got the Baldrige and ask if she knows anything?

Welcome to the
Center for Assessment
and Continuous Improvement

http://www.uwstout.edu/mba/images/crystal_100.jpgJulie Furst-Bowe, Ph.D.
Director of the Center for Assessment
and Continuous Improvement

University of Wisconsin-Stout
121 10th Avenue
212G Millennium Hall
Menomonie, WI 54751
Phone 715-232-5901
Fax number 715-232-2456

It has become a forum in the last 6 months

*** Dead Link Removed ***

The forums are gone.

- Marc

NICE forum! I'm impressed! Considering the recent 'spat' here over staying on topic and being professional, that forum is a good example. I always liked that listserve. And now as a forum, it's searchable and will be an asset.

But - I tried to register and got a php error.

Howard, I think I saw you're rgistered there - You might want to let them know about the mail error.

http://elsmar.com/png/jennejohn failure.png

But - I tried to register and got a php error.So did I but your registration seems to have worked.... I see you as a member.

/Claes

I didn't check. I will. I expected it to send me a 'verification' e-mail to activate the account.

EDIT ADD: It activates at registration. :agree1: I was able to log in.

You are both there cas I see it and Wes has joined as well

I was a member of the Listserve and moved over to the forum when it was created some months ago.

I must say, that although I know the site had difficulties for a few weeks recently due to aggressive virus attacks, traffic on it is not nearly as brisk as when the Listserve was in existence - perhaps receiving e-mails with the latest posts used to prompt more activity.

While it's always useful to have as many "quality" resources as possible, IMHO the UWSTOUT site isn't a patch on the Cove for layout, wide-ranging subject matter, the quality of information, and the eagerness of members to provide others with the fruits of their experience and expertise!

Once again, well done Marc for providing us with such a useful and interesting site! :thanx: :applause:

Lyn

I was a member of the Listserve and moved over to the forum when it was created some months ago.

I must say, that although I know the site had difficulties for a few weeks recently due to aggressive virus attacks, traffic on it is not nearly as brisk as when the Listserve was in existence - perhaps receiving e-mails with the latest posts used to prompt more activity.

While it's always useful to have as many "quality" resources as possible, IMHO the UWSTOUT site isn't a patch on the Cove for layout, wide-ranging subject matter, the quality of information, and the eagerness of members to provide others with the fruits of their experience and expertise!

Once again, well done Marc for providing us with such a useful and interesting site! :thanx: :applause:

Lyn
As a physical thing, it is miles beyond the ASQ Forum in look and feel. Activity and "buzz" make a Forum successful or moribund. As I looked through the site, I didn't see any open questions/threads which moved me to make a contribution to the discussion.

The main difference I see between Cove and the Stout site is the sense of "community" here in the Cove, lacking (yet! - it's only less than a year old as a Forum) in the Stout site.

As I looked through the member list, I saw some familiar names from here and from ASQ, but none of them have mentioned the Stout site in their posts here or in ASQ. I didn't read EVERY post at Stout, so I wonder if any of them refer to the Cove or to the ASQ Forum. A person has to be excited about a Forum in order to feel comfortable referring anyone to visit.

I agree that every post I read was a model of decorum, perhaps even too decorous. When things get too bland, there is no passion. Like it or not, we have passion in the Cove and it is a driving force, whether in the questions or the answers.

I am a memeber of the Jennejohn list (first moderator was Nancy Jennejohn). I think I became a member in 1998. At that time, it was a tremendous resource with lots of activity. As of late, I thought it was defunct. However, the Univ of Wisconsin Stout (Jennejohn) forum is still active.

I recommend that we do not split our resources between two standards/quality/ISO/management system dicussion locations. I do not think it is efficient to have two acitve forums where we have to check both for information. I was a true beleiver of the jennejohn list until I became familair with The Cove. The Cove is where it is at. Thank you Marc for all you do.

Sincerely, Dirk van Putten

Just to compare:

The Elsmar Cove Statistics
Threads: 9,305, Posts: 92,827, Registered Users: 10,066
192 Unique Registered Users have visited today.
The Most Folks Online Concurrently in the Forums was 291

UW-Stout
Our users have posted a total of 286 articles
We have 245 registered users
In total there is 1 user online
Most users ever online was 11 on Thu May 06, 2004 4:46 pm
Registered Users: None

Sort of unfair to compare the two.

And I don't agree about 'splitting resources'. The more the merrier - more ideas, different ideas couched in different assumptions and attitudes. It's like having a different set of eyes auditing your quality system. The Cove is top-rate, but it would be benificial to have another active forum as a resource.

Huh, I've seemed to have climbed up on a soapbox. Wasn't intentional. I'll get down now.

As I looked through the member list, I saw some familiar names from here and from ASQ, but none of them have mentioned the Stout site in their posts here or in ASQ. I didn't read EVERY post at Stout, so I wonder if any of them refer to the Cove or to the ASQ Forum. A person has to be excited about a Forum in order to feel comfortable referring anyone to visit.

I have not visited the Stout Forum in a while even though I joined it after the listserve was taken offline. The jennejohn listserve was the first quality resource I found on the web when I started in the quality field 2 years ago.

I originally found The Cove due to a reference on the jennejohn listserve.

Jaime

And I don't agree about 'splitting resources'. The more the merrier - more ideas, different ideas couched in different assumptions and attitudes. It's like having a different set of eyes auditing your quality system. The Cove is top-rate, but it would be benificial to have another active forum as a resource.
Without a doubt the Cove is, BY FAR, the best site for all the topics covered in here. And due to it's success, I can see other sites modelling themselves after the Cove.

Each forum has a different approach and 'manner' about it. This forum has pretty much been a place where 'everyman' - the people who 'suffer under the requirements' - visit, but has, and does, attract some very knowledgable, professional folks. I've always considered the Cove an 'alturnative' to the more structured, 'professional' forums. It's not quite so formal. While it's not as 'wild and wooly' here as it was a couple of years ago, it's still a relatively 'open' forum (despite the recent 'Please Stay On Topic' discussion). And I have from time to time even received e-mails from folks who wrote to 'let me know' that they feel these forums are 'very unprofessional'. My opinion this forum is 'middle of the road'. Not too 'stuffy', but not a free for all.

As to the UW-Stout forum, it has its place. I will say that the old UW-Stout (what I used to call the 'Jennejohn' listserve) listserve was very important to me for information early on. I copied a lot of posts from e-mails for a while (some folks on the list were not amused) and posted them here. Back in those days things were a bit different. My goal was to have an online, searchable database. I could save each e-mail in a folder - which I did - and ask my Mac to search for text strings within those e-mails to find information, but the bottom line is the listserve was just e-mails. There was no easy way to really search for posts / discussions on a specific topic. There was an archive but it wasn't very 'user friendly'.

I will say that I understand the desire to keep information focused in as few places as possible, but the inevitability is there will continue to be different places where people will go for information of a topic. And there will be people who prefer what they perceive to be a more 'professional' atmosphere than the Cove.

One of the main aspects of the Cove is it is 'independent' of any official organization. I think a lot of people will say and ask things here that they might not in forums which are 'sponsored' by organizations. And the Cove is not a trip to all sorts of blinking, distracting advertisements, popups and other annoying things. This in its self is unusual. Yes, there are Google advertisements, but I didn't even have them here before December 2003 (there have been advertisements here for about 14 months now.

There's room for a number of different resources. There's a lot of different information focuses out there. And the internet continues to expand adding new resources every day.

Just some thoughts... :2cents:

Update:

It would seem that the EDA Forum (http://www2.uwstout.edu/ctem/eda/forum/default.asp) is suffering from serious neglect and has curled up in a corner, quietly waiting to die. It is still there, but nobody is posting anything.

There is no link to any admin nor any moderators around. In short, nobody is answering the calls. I posted there for a while, but soon decided it wasn't worth the effort. Too bad, really.

/Claes

Does anyone know if there are accessible archives of the old Jennejohn Discussion List on-line?

Does anyone know if there are accessible archives of the old Jennejohn Discussion List on-line?

Sidney,

Is this email address still active? jennejohnnATuwstout.edu.

I'll keep searching.

Stijloor.

I don't think it's still active.

Is this email address still active? jennejohnnATuwstout.edu.I don't think so. Thus my question.

It is a shame that (apparently) we can not access the discussion material we had through the Jennejohn discussion list. If I remember correctly, I joined that discussion list back in 1993 or 94, many years before I joined the Cove. Some of the exchanges we had 12 or 13 years ago would still be very current these days.

I don't think so. Thus my question.

It is a shame that (apparently) we can not access the discussion material we had through the Jennejohn discussion list. If I remember correctly, I joined that discussion list back in 1993 or 94, many years before I joined the Cove. Some of the exchanges we had 12 or 13 years ago would still be very current these days. The did have archives at one time, didn't they?

I think that this was the successor but is inactive EDA Quality Management Systems (http://www2.uwstout.edu/ctem/eda/forum/default.asp)