I appreciate your contribution. In exchange, as a quickie, I'm opening up the 'Member's Directory' to all of you for five days from today. Enjoy! And again, thanks!

You will need the following to 'Log In':
Login User Name: XZXXX
Login Password: 4r9csak

PLEASE REMEMBER: Your User Name and Password are caSe sENsiTiVE!

Howdy y'all,

A nice shelter from the storm.

Bill

Well hesh my mouf! There's Jim and Bill:bigwave:

Randy said:

Well hesh my mouf! There's Jim and Bill:bigwave:

Will wonders ever cease? :p :smokin:

Marc,

Just out of curiosity, we will get notification when the year is up, right?

Bill

Hi y'all

Dadblame it, energy, I've been trying to catch a bass so I could put a picture of me and MY bigmouth up for all to envy.

All I've caught so far would be considered bait!!!

Hey, this thread is a pretty cool idea. Kinda like being let into the Teacher's Lounge.

Craig

Bill Ryan said:

Marc,

Just out of curiosity, we will get notification when the year is up, right?

Bill

It's all manual right now and will probably remain so - I don't expect many folks to sign on, so to speak.

Bottom line is yes - but next year is a long way off.

Just joined, not sure what happens now.:confused:

Hi, Geoff, and welcome to the Cove!

There most likely won't be much going on in this thread (although you never know). Look through the other threads. If you are in the quality field, surely you will find something interesting.

Before starting a new thread, you might try the search function to see if your question has already been answered.

The Cove is one of the best quality tools you will find.

Craig

Personally, I really don't care who contributes or not, the people I thought did, and the people who haven't might do so in the future.

I'm not an accountant, but it seems to me that there would have to be about 400-450 people before it would pay for the site. And don't get me wrong, Marc has never required money for access to the site, but I think we should all continue to do as much as possible to support the site.

Let's all consider that Marc provides the bandwidth that we should assist with, but the moderators, contributors, posters etc... control a good part of the content.

Craig H. said:

Hi, Geoff, and welcome to the Cove!

There most likely won't be much going on in this thread (although you never know). Look through the other threads. If you are in the quality field, surely you will find something interesting.

Before starting a new thread, you might try the search function to see if your question has already been answered.

The Cove is one of the best quality tools you will find.

Craig

If my memory serves me right, Geoff was around before I joined. I leave that up to you guys to validate because it was bowling night and I beez a little facked up. I just wanted my buddy Craig, (c'mon, you know it's true) that Geoff may already be knowlegable of the benefits of the Cove. Of course, this is the "experience factor" that one obtains as they get old. This thread needs a little spice so let's provide the recipe. I know we are up to this! :vfunny: :smokin: :truce:

I don't understand what Marc means by "opening up the Members Directory for 5 days".....Was the member list taken offline??

Energy,

Your right it is me (or at least I think it is…. long night in the pub).

My inner self got the better of me and I thought it was about time contributed financially, the cove has served me well over the past two years.
:bigwave:

Geoff, energy;

OK, so I started "training" someone on the use of the cove when they have been using it longer than I (sorry Geoff). By Geoff's post, I guessed that he had just gotten here. Maybe I need some training on reading the number of posts a participant has that appears on each and every post.

Spice? Hmm. I like the idea of energy sharing what he is doing, 'specially compared to the Deliverance thing being discussed in the other thread. The stress of being in Quality does strange things to the human mind...

Craig

Just spent 3 days doing an on-site for a supplier. I'm getting a little tired of the audit stuff, especially around tax time!
Hey, this thread is a pretty cool idea. Kinda like being let into the Teacher's Lounge.
Either that or we were brought into the Wardroom to be called on the carpet!!!!:vfunny:

Craig H. said:

Geoff, energy;

OK, so I started "training" someone on the use of the cove when they have been using it longer than I (sorry Geoff). By Geoff's post, I guessed that he had just gotten here. Maybe I need some training on reading the number of posts a participant has that appears on each and every post.
Craig

Nah Nah na na nah:p

Craig H. said:
Spice? Hmm. I like the idea of energy sharing what he is doing, 'specially compared to the Deliverance thing being discussed in the other thread. The stress of being in Quality does strange things to the human mind...
Craig

No biggee. A simple case of nepotism, as one member called it. Hey, when nobody else wants you, look to family. Gotta eat.
Anyway, here's a link to our as yet unfinished website. I have approval authority for its content and I'm working with a consultant. The FAQ's, About US and the Estimate page is me. The cover page is a combination of head nodding betwen the owners and myself. So far, my computer experience has allowed me to develop approx. 20 or so documents that are used daily and I mean used. Not stuck away in some book or on an Intranet. PO's, Invoices, Price Lists, Contracts, Estimating Sheets, handouts for the consumer, Sales Books with all kinds of neat information for the Sales people to use during their presentations. Stuff like that. The owners are not computer people and asked me help them out on a part time basis while I continued my employment search. Now, they have asked me to come on full time because I've created a position that they would have to hire somebody to fill, anyway. Currently I'm writing their Fall Protection Plan because they were written up and fined by OSHA for not following mandatory procedures for working on roofs. Having been involved with Plant Safety since 1986, it isn't all that unfamiliar. All that's left is to tell you that one of the partners is my son. Taking care of Dad. He assures me that it is not a handout and he expects me here 8 hours a day. What a prick!
:vfunny:

You can e-mail me from there, if you want. I don't think the links are connected yet, but you get the idea. Satisfied, you little busy bodies?

Added in: As our resident expert spotted, these links are actually test links sent to me by our Website guy to look at for approval. They are not part of the actual website, yet. Good catch, Atul. ;) I merely attached them to kill the curiousity cat, so to speak.
:agree: :smokin:

energy:

Nice site!! I love the animation on the home page. It sure fits the businesss.

I see that although you are leaving a job in Quality, the certification monkey still follows you. That CertinTeed program sounds tough. Of course, it sounds like although you may not have quality in your title anymore, at the new company they seem very interested in it.

So, you are going from one company, who had a QA-type position, but was just playing games, to a company where there may not be a dedicated quality person, maybe even not (gasp) ISO 9000 certification, but they are deadly serious about Quality? Imagine that!!

Craig

Craig H. said:

energy:

So, you are going from one company, who had a QA-type position, but was just playing games, to a company where there may not be a dedicated quality person, maybe even not (gasp) ISO 9000 certification, but they are deadly serious about Quality? Imagine that!!

Craig

The final product is what sells, for sure. The pictures provided in the web page are just fillers and will soon have our completed projects instead. I'm looking at adding another page just for completed projects. I'm attaching a photo that we are using in our promos right now. No, just kidding as usual. They do excellent work. Many leads come from people driving by the work site and seeing the project underway from start to completion. Beats advertising and is a true measure of their "Quality". :eek: :smokin:

Marc, Thanks for making these files available. I found lots of interesting stuff. The Cove is an amazing resource and I appreciate all you do (and go through) to make it available for all of us!

RosieA said:

Marc, Thanks for making these files available. I found lots of interesting stuff. The Cove is an amazing resource and I appreciate all you do (and go through) to make it available for all of us!

I'll be opening up the 'premium' directory soon for maybe 2 days. I'll probably open up the 'members directory' again soon for a few days. Maybe do it every month or something. I'm open to suggestions.

I'm not really planning any of this. I'm more watching where things are going and thinking of ways to be 'equitable', if you will, and still (sorry to be crude here) pull in some cash to keep the site at least mostly self supporting.

Your contribution is appreciated!

energy said:
Added in: As our resident expert... etc etc
So I may have jumped in too early, missing the point of your post. Sorry for that! (must learn to control the impulse to show off!!
:bonk: )

I'm not an accountant, but it seems to me that there would have to be about 400-450 people before it would pay for the site. And don't get me wrong, Marc has never required money for access to the site, but I think we should all continue to do as much as possible to support the site.

Al, I don't think you get it. This whole thing is a scam. All this shutdown stuff was to get us to "ante up".

The way I see it Marc gets.....say a million folks to lay down $25 hard-earned big ones. So, he rakes in 25 mil. Okay, his costs might be one mil tops, leaving him $24,000,000 to finally buy that place in the Caymans he has had his eye on for all these years! :thedeal: :smokin:

Of course if he can pull it off, he deserves the full bundle. If he can't ... his punishment I guess ... is being stuck with the likes of us! :eek:

Atul Khandekar said:

So I may have jumped in too early, missing the point of your post. Sorry for that! (must learn to control the impulse to show off!!
:bonk: )

Atul,

Based on the quality of your posts vs. energy's, please don't try to control anything! :vfunny: :ko: :smokin:

Having seen a lot of hits on the attached pic of the barn with the sh1tty roof and no comments, I hope that you viewers didn't think it representative of our work. You know, poor energy is fooling himself if he thinks that it was a good job. One never knows...beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Here's a real one finished recently.

Having seen a lot of hits on the attached pic of the barn with the sh1tty roof and no comments, I hope that you viewers didn't think it representative of our work.

No joking energy, I thought that was supposed to be a "typical" job that you would engage...you know the "before" picture. I was actually waiting for the "after" picture.

Here's a real one finished recently.

Now, what are you doing showing pictures of my servant's quarters at my summer home? :mad:

db said:

Al, I don't think you get it. This whole thing is a scam. All this shutdown stuff was to get us to "ante up".

The way I see it Marc gets.....say a million folks to lay down $25 hard-earned big ones. So, he rakes in 25 mil. Okay, his costs might be one mil tops, leaving him $24,000,000 to finally buy that place in the Caymans he has had his eye on for all these years! :thedeal: :smokin:

Of course if he can pull it off, he deserves the full bundle. If he can't ... his punishment I guess ... is being stuck with the likes of us! :eek:

If I make a million (tee hee hee) I'll for sure move to the Cayman Islands and run the show from there! I'll even put in a 24 hour 'web cam' to make everyone jealous... ;)

Now... Please excuse me whilst I run out to find 1,000,000 people who are into quality assurance and who aren't total cheapskates...

Or - how about this... For every person any of you get to contribute send me a 'copy' of their e-mail receipt (ask them to send it to you). At the end of the month I'll cut you a check for 10% (I charge US25, I get US$23 so for each person you make USA$2.30!).

A Cayman webcam...

My mind wanders on what local 'critters' we might see come by to visit you Marc.:biglaugh:

Kevin

Hey, energy:

In picture #2, I don't know if I can believe that roofers were there recently. Where are the old shingles, shingle wrappers, drink cans, etc?!?

;) :vfunny:

Picture #1 looks suspiciously like a place I lived in while going to college.

Craig

Craig H. said:

Hey, energy:

In picture #2, I don't know if I can believe that roofers were there recently. Where are the old shingles, shingle wrappers, drink cans, etc?!?

;) :vfunny:

Picture #1 looks suspiciously like a place I lived in while going to college.

Craig

Read all about our dedicated ground crew in the FAQ's on the sample website posted earlier. This is a big selling feature. Thanks for the opportunity to address your concerns in a prompt and efficient manner, if not an effective one! :biglaugh: :smokin:

energy said:

Read all about our dedicated ground crew in the FAQ's on the sample website posted earlier. This is a big selling feature.

I did. That's why I threw the jab!!


Thanks for the opportunity to address your concerns in a prompt and efficient manner, if not an effective one! :biglaugh: :smokin:

At least it was efficient, though!!!


:vfunny:

Happy Easter, all.


Craig

Okay, I'm a big softy! Easter's here and I'm in the company of Cove contributors, so the others will miss out. Easter will have the family, son & wife, daughter & husband, and three Grandchildren (One in the proverbial oven) joining us in the Sunday dinner and the Easter Egg hunt in the backyard. Little yard, but lots of hiding places because I haven't yet done the Spring clean-up. Why? I spend too much time here. :vfunny: Jobs aside and any other personal horse crap, this is a good time. Happy Easter to you and your families! :agree: :ko: :smokin:

energy said:

Okay, I'm a big softy! Easter's here and I'm in the company of Cove contributors, so the others will miss out. Easter will have the family, son & wife, daughter & husband, and three Grandchildren (One in the proverbial oven) joining us in the Sunday dinner and the Easter Egg hunt in the backyard. Little yard, but lots of hiding places because I haven't yet done the Spring clean-up. Why? I spend too much time here. :vfunny: Jobs aside and any other personal horse crap, this is a good time. Happy Easter to you and your families! :agree: :ko: :smokin:


energy

Ok, you did it. I'm jealous!!! That sure sounds like "the life".

Maybe one day...

Craig

Hi Guys,

This is the best US$25 ($41 Australian) I have spent. Not only do I have a 24/7 network but the downloads are invaluable.
I set up a local 'Quality Network' in but have to travel up to 100 miles (160 Klms) to see every one in it. I'll still maintain it but now have the added benefit of the same feedback direct from my home or office.
I have used the forums to place some of my own material to get valuable feedback before I take it to the masses.
I have told our Enviroment and Safety guys, at work, about the Cove and at least one of them has already joined. I'll feel out the people in my local network also. The more the merrier.

Keep up the good work

Greg B

Greg B said:

Hi Guys,

This is the best US$25 ($41 Australian) I have spent. Not only do I have a 24/7 network but the downloads are invaluable.
I set up a local 'Quality Network' in but have to travel up to 100 miles (160 Klms) to see every one in it. I'll still maintain it but now have the added benefit of the same feedback direct from my home or office.
I have used the forums to place some of my own material to get valuable feedback before I take it to the masses.
I have told our Enviroment and Safety guys, at work, about the Cove and at least one of them has already joined. I'll feel out the people in my local network also. The more the merrier.

Keep up the good work

Greg B

Greg, It is a good investment. Also keep checking in here often as Marc opens up those $$ files from time to time as a bonus. Recently there was a 5 day window open to Contributors to access (and download) some files that are not free. Welcome to the Teacher's Lounge! :agree: :ko: :smokin:

Hi, everyone,

just a quick note to let you know I'm lurking in the background somewhere ...

Graeme

Graeme said:

Hi, everyone,

just a quick note to let you know I'm lurking in the background somewhere ...

Graeme

Hi Graeme,

The collection is almost complete of my favorite posters. I just finished reading your latest posts in the calibration thread and I must say, you left me severely wanting and lacking in your expertise! Peace Bro! :agree: :ko: :smokin:

Dear contributors friends
I had been lost this opportunity, but in my opinion since cove was created, every people around the world, (incluide) me, learned a lot about "quality", not only assurance or control.

Marc, congratulations for your site.
And for All of contributors and moderators Thank you.


PD. the languaje is not a obstacle to learn a lot.

Regards
ARte

the languaje is not a obstacle to learn a lot.

I'm not so sure Arte, I've lived here all of my 45+ years and still can't hardly never talk right! :bonk: :biglaugh:

Hi dave (the other dave), I agree with you, quality and languaje and all "arts" I never be get the maximum level, but I try to found (catch) them.
Regards
ARTE

Well, I was going to post in this other thread that only had one reply. But, alas, it's gone.
Marc, Not too long ago I accused you of quoting salon.com which I considered a liberal rag. You protested that it was a respectful website with well read views. To that I said Yea Right. It appears that you may have been correct. Today, on my fairest and balanced network, Fox news, ;) They interviewed a Mr Jake Tapper from Salon.com. He was introduced with the greatest respect and conducted a non-adversarial interview where he praised Bush's latest decision to fly aboard a U.S. naval vessel and predicted that, even if Bush slips in the polls, it will be very difficult for the Dems to beat him in the next election. He also said he was surprised that Bush flew the plane for a little while. Be careful, Salon.com may be doing a little "Right Face". Thought you'd enjoy that. Posting this here eliminates the non-contributors "free" shot at you.:agree: :smokin:

I'm surprised you want this in this forum, but so it goes. Your comment only reinforces that I visit web sites which are not radical liberal.

So I take your comment as a compliment. Web sites I visit spread the world and are not limited to liberal radical sites.

One cannot know the truth today if one is a US TV freak. One must consider all sides - all opinions - and the past - to make decisions.

I am nothing less than proud to visit and read web sites such as Salon which purvey truth and fact rather than FOX Info-tainment (No Spin Zone = Total Spin Zone) where you get your 'news'. Salon gives preference to facts and considers all faiths, political persuasions, etc. It is not a matter of Salon doing a 'right face'. It is a matter of truth and facts with respect to history.

I have to laught as here you are, talking about a 'right face' rather than addressing Truth in Media. To me it has little to do with politics. It has everything to do with reality. Give credit where credit is due.

As for your comment, it is just extra evidence of a person who does not get all the facts and who cheers based upon political persuasion (Rush Limbaugh idiots) rather than facts.

Salon has always included conservative content. I would be remiss to discount conservative beliefs and goals. If I do not understand them I cannot make a reasoned, informed decision.

However, Salon.com will never stoop to tactics used by the likes of FOX 'news' (apparently your source of 'news' including such notable racist characters such as Bill O'Reilly), Rush Limbaugh, and conservative rags in general which are based upon hype, denigration and lies.

energy, my appreciation for such a complement...
Apparently YOU are reading/viewing and making decisions based upon such 'reliable, unbiased' sources such as FOX info-tainment and Rush Limbaugh. Now I'm really impressed....

I remember a couple of years ago your making the comment here about what you could do for $40 bucks a month with this web site. You inferred that I was a ripoff in so many words. You speak from the hip with no facts - only your mini-understanding yet proclaim your knowledge and understanding.

Yes - you're a perfect Bush republican. You'll vote for Bush if only because he's republican. My 88 year old mother still does that.

Hopefully you're not getting unemployment benefits. If you are I must say what Reagan said: "They're unemployed because they want to be so they can claim the benefits."

Tell me... Have you ever gotten unemployment benefits? If so, do tell us why you want to scrounge off those of us who make a gainful living...

energy, I leave you to the National Enquirer, FOX news and other "I was impregnated by an alien" 'news' sources.

I apoligise in advance for being rude and brusk. It has not been a good day for me.

energy,

I apologise for being so mean. There was a fight in a meeting I was in and I quit my contract yesterday. I was really bummed out and reactive.

Again, I apologise for being so rude.

Marc,

You completely misunderstood the intent of my post. I was correcting my bashing of Salon.com as a liberal rag. That was it, nothing more. As for the rest of your comments, those are your demons, not mine. I have refrained from any political discussions lately. Heck, Mike is crazy enough for all of us right wingers. You don't need mine. As for you others who may have thought I posted to **** off the Marc, get a life. I know better than to start something in this thread. Sometimes we see what we think we see based on someone's earlier conduct or history. That's why I now read the posts over and over again, before I respond with some heat. Reduces the number of apologies. And Marc, I didn't know you had fired a salvo until I read your last post. Accepted, you Meany!:vfunny: :agree: :smokin:

energy said:

Oh where Oh where did the little dog go


This was in the subject line and reference to the 4th thread of Jim Wade’s that has since been withdrawn. A joke, get it?

energy said:
Well, I was going to post in this other thread that only had one reply. But, alas, it's gone.


My intent was to post this in that particular thread because there was only one reply. Marc’s reply and we know what that was. Maybe that’s why it is no longer here. That's O.K., Jim. We know where you are.

energy said:
Marc, Not too long ago I accused you of quoting salon.com which I considered a liberal rag. You protested that it was a respectful website with well read views. To that I said Yea Right. It appears that you may have been correct.

My first attempt to correct some things I said about the site and re-enforce your position that it was a respected site.

energy said:
Today, on my fairest and balanced network, Fox news, ;) They interviewed a Mr Jake Tapper from Salon.com. He was introduced with the greatest respect…

Fox news commentators have very little respect for people they are about to bash and the viewer knows when it’s going to get interesting. I don’t approve of those tactics, but they introduced this man in a complimentary manner. When I heard he was from Salon.com, I immediately thought of you because of our past heated discussions. And, I was surprised because the only time I had heard of the site was here in the Cove.

energy said:
and conducted a non-adversarial interview where he praised Bush's latest decision to fly aboard a U.S. naval vessel and predicted that, even if Bush slips in the polls, it will be very difficult for the Dems to beat him in the next election. He also said he was surprised that Bush flew the plane for a little while.

This was interesting because I had never seen anything positive on that site, at least what you cited, and that brought them up a few notches in my estimation. Like, maybe there is some balance there and I wasn’t looking close enough or my predujice got in the way.

energy said:
Be careful, Salon.com may be doing a little "Right Face". Thought you'd enjoy that.

This was where I may have miscalculated your reaction. It was a joke because that will never happen with this site. No more than Fox News will do a “left face”. The statement “thought you’d enjoy that” meant I expected a response like “Yeah Right” or “I doubt it”

energy said:
Posting this here eliminates the non-contributors "free" shot at you.

This was intended to limit my post to only those who frequent the Teacher’s Lounge because the members who have contributed show more respect for the Cove and what it means to them. With that in mind, we do not go out of our way to antagonize each other, least of all you. I also didn't want to open the door to some more antagonistic posts from those who lay in wait. I didn’t mean to upset you and I’m sorry about the contract loss. That sucks. Having done this beautiful, stunning, and brilliant break down of my not intended to be offensive post, I expect a little more latitude when I go for your throat next time. A joke. A joke. Got it?
Peace Cheech! Oh, the little handshake at the end of the original post was also intended to show that I may have been a little wrong about the site. But, not completely wrong.

So I don't come across as being politically inactive I'd like to share this little piece of information. I haven't had time to totally investigate the truth but I'm about 50% done. Take a look.

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now concerned about receiving a Social Security check every month --
and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the federal government to "put away," you may be interested in the following:

Q: Which party took Social Security from an independent fund and put it in the general fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratic-controlled House and Senate.

Q: Which party put a tax on Social Security?
A: The Democratic party.

Q: Which party increased the tax on Social Security?
A: The Democratic Party with Al Gore casting the deciding vote.

Q: Which party decided to give money to immigrants?
A: That's right, immigrants moved into this country and at 65 got SSI Social Security. The Democratic Party gave that to them although they never paid a dime into it.

Then, after doing all this, the Democrats turn around and tell you the Republicans want to take your Social Security.

And the worst part about it is, some people believe it!

Jim,

Didn't you start a new thread offering bin.uk site like db did with Marc's permission? It loked like you started it and Marc wished you had asked like db? That was the only reply and I was going to post my little gem there. Maybe it's those mushrooms!;) :smokin:

Gentlemen:

Recently, in this thread, there started to be what I feared was a "hard turn" for the worst. As has happened in other threads with unsettling frequency of late, the conversation had the beginnings of yet another jump-up-and-down screaming match.

And yet, it didn't happen.

The conversants handled themselves as true gentlemen, which, in the real world, is an art that appears to be going the way of the gooney bird.

Refreshing, indeed.

Craig

Everybody knows where you are, James. I bet if you did a search for bin.uk, there will be 50 hits on it. Save that little red growling guy for something more important, like real anger!:p

Craig,

Of course. The teacher's lounge isn't the place to have serious fights. We save those for the schoolyard where the real bullies are!:smokin:

Craig,

Your words contain a wisdom that is woefully lacking in our world. The activities you mentioned are not limited to this board, but the world population in general.

Al...:agree:

Randy Stewart said:

So I don't come across as being politically inactive I'd like to share this little piece of information. I haven't had time to totally investigate the truth but I'm about 50% done. Take a look.

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now concerned about receiving a Social Security check every month --
and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the federal government to "put away," you may be interested in the following:

Q: Which party took Social Security from an independent fund and put it in the general fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratic-controlled House and Senate.

Q: Which party put a tax on Social Security?
A: The Democratic party.

Q: Which party increased the tax on Social Security?
A: The Democratic Party with Al Gore casting the deciding vote.

Q: Which party decided to give money to immigrants?
A: That's right, immigrants moved into this country and at 65 got SSI Social Security. The Democratic Party gave that to them although they never paid a dime into it.

Then, after doing all this, the Democrats turn around and tell you the Republicans want to take your Social Security.

And the worst part about it is, some people believe it!

That was then. now is now. Might be that's what was needed then. i believe it was. But that was then.

As the deficit reaches highs not seen since the last repub administration, smile when you think tax cuts. As schools loose funding in deference to Smart Bombs, smile.

As for republicans and SS, it's clear and simple - Take it from the government's hands and put it into the hands of brokers. I wonder who wins (think HMOs). Deregulation, another repub key word, worked in California, didn't it....

We should be asking what is needed now, not going to the past to flail and cast blame for a pet peeve.

STOP COUNTING THE VOTES!!!! Lest the truth become known and clear.

Marc said:

As for republicans and SS, it's clear and simple - Take it from the government's hands and put it into the hands of brokers. I wonder who wins (think HMOs). Deregulation, another repub key word, worked in California, didn't it....


I will say this about that! :vfunny: I trust brokers as much as attorneys. After Sept.11, they dumped their stocks and plunged this country into financial disaster without a thought of what it was doing to the country. It is pure greed and that is what drives them. To each and everyone of them, it was somebody elses duty to try helping out and resisting a sell off. After all, why should they and their investors lose money? I would not want them to control anything important to this country. :smokin:

Jim Wade said:

Oh, that!

I wondered what had happened to that offer - I assumed I'd just failed to make the post stick (I recall that I did post in late at night). I certainly didn't intend to start a new thread.

I was just building on db's offer (same open spirit). It didn't occur to me to ask permission to give stuff away. Since I now learn the offer was whisked away with no reference to me, I assume the offer was rejected.

I won't bother in future :mad:

rgds Jim

db asked. You didn't. Had you asked, it wouldn't have been an issue.

db gave a user name and password right in the message for people to use. You didn't.

I asked you to put a user name and password right in a post for people to use and after 24 hours, when I was sure you saw my post (I saw you on a number of times and would find it hard to believe you didn't see my splitting the thread off and my reply), I deleted your advertisement.

These forums and my site are spidered regularly by Google and probably 80% of the other 'major' search engines. I appreciate your input and opinions on topics within the forums, but you and I have run the advertisement gaumet before.

energy said:

Marc,

You completely misunderstood the intent of my post.Yes, I certainly did. And again, for that I apologise.

Energy, I am going to have to disagree with you about privatizing Social Security.

I do agree with your take on the general attitude of brokers. I actually interviewed with 2 when I was graduating from college in '86 (accounting major). I was appalled. Are you familiar with "pump and dump"? Both of these firms were very well versed.

However, there are ways to limit the impact of that kind of tactic. Most people, even the pros, have a hard time beating the DJIA. So, we mandate that the funds be spread out over these stocks evenly, or some other such formula, and that there be limited opportunities to get in or out (churning, another money-grubber tactic).

This would do several things. First, the $ would hopefully be where the politicians would have limited access, for things like hiding a massive deficit (happens all the time). It actually would make the money make money, instead of just sitting there like a juicy steak in front of the Rep. and Dem. Dobermen.

Over time, over the long haul, the stock market outperforms most types of (legal) investment.

Will privitization ever happen? HA!!! (see above).

At one point I thought I would rarely agree with Marc. Maybe we see eye to eye more than I thought.

Craig

Craig H. said:

Energy, I am going to have to disagree with you about privatizing Social Security.

Craig

Craig,

I bow to your expertise in that area. Opening this 401K statements since Sept.11 are the very disappointing. I just yanked them and threw them in a traditional IRA with a hope for a little ray of sunshine.

Marc said:

Yes, I certainly did. And again, for that I apologise.

No need, Cheech. I got it the first time. I have apologized to more people, including you, more than any other member in the Cove because I let my emotions rule those fingers. I read a lot slower these days to try to make sure I get it right before I start my volleys. I'm getting much better at it. After the day you had, it's understandable. Really. Peace.:agree: :smokin:

Craig H. said:

First, the $ would hopefully be where the politicians would have limited access, for things like hiding a massive deficit (happens all the time). It actually would make the money make money, instead of just sitting there like a juicy steak in front of the Rep. and Dem. Dobermen.

My problem here is you infer that businesspeople are more 'truthful', 'good', etc. (or something more positive) than politicians. I think that is a pretty well debunked myth.

Ummmmm.... Hiding a massive deficit (can we all say Enron?)??? Wow! I never imagined that politicians would do such a thing! Private enterprise, so to speak, would never do that...

energy said:

Craig,

I bow to your expertise in that area. Opening this 401K statements since Sept.11 are the very disappointing. I just yanked them and threw them in a traditional IRA with a hope for a little ray of sunshine.


energy

In your situation (I would imagine you are looking at retirement sometime in the next decade or so?) that is sound reasoning. Although the market does very well over the long haul, short term "corrections" can be devastating. There are many sad stories along these lines circulating right now, Enron's retirees among the saddest.

However, someone in my position (not married, no kids, quite a while until retirement) now, or soon, is a good time too look at the market. Buy low sell high.

If only I had the $$$!!!

Craig

Craig H. said:

Although the market does very well over the long haul, short term "corrections" can be devastating.

My mother always told me that. I invested in land instead thinking I was a bit too stupid for the stock market. At 87 years, she has lost close to 45% of her 'long term' wealth. My position in land continues to rise.

With respect to the stock market, you believe that the past predicts the future which is typically quite true in history. But not necessarily so with the stock market.

Good luck and invest well. I'll stick with land and government programs.

Marc:

Glad to hear your investments have done well. Must be that land in the Caymans you own.

;)

As far as your approach goes, and mine and energy's and everyone's, for that matter, it depends on what you are comfortable with as far as risk and personal knowledge.

Anecdotal evidence abounds for both successes and failures for any type of vehicle. Those who are in stocks now, even if they bought at the peak, may, at some point in the next 20 years, finally be able to show decent long term gains. Then again, maybe not (I am confident they will, but, as they say, past performance is not an indicator of future earnings).

This is an interesting topic. Well, to me anyway, most would rather watch paint dry, I think.

Other than my retirement and profit sharing, which have taken a beating along with almost everyone else's, much of my "nest egg" is in old firearms. Unconventional? Sure. But, they rarely depreciate in value, unless they are not taken care of.

As far as the comparison between politicians and business people, I can only say this - I trust no politician. Most businessmen I know, I trust, but the bad ones tend to be really, really bad.

Craig

Our latest event:

Friday night, after visiting the in-laws, at 9:40 we were driving through a seedy part of the next town to go home. A Plymouth Voyager van crossed the center of the road and smashed into us. The wife hit her face (cheek bone and forehead) on the rear view mirror. She was taken to the Hospital, x-rayed and treated and released. The driver of the van was unlicensed, the van was unregistered and no insurance. It was a Hispanic person who gave the police a Texas address, but people say he lives on that street. There was a witness who told the Police that he almost hit her and she blew the horn and he veered away and then turned into us. He ended up behind us up on the sidewalk on our side of the street. He had a “few beers”, the police said. The witness also said he was trying to run off but the neighborhood people made him stay there. This van was full of people, but by the time the Police showed up, twenty minutes later, they all had disappeared (except the driver with the dubious identity) after cleaning out the van contents thoroughly. I stayed by the wife's side and watched it all. What else are you gonna do? The other people that gathered were very helpful and called the police, repeatedly. So, we now have a rental car and the wife's car is in the body shop. Me, not a scratch, bump or bruise. Go figure.

Interestingly enough, the Doctor that examined and treated her, told us that 60% of the accidents he covers involved un-insured or unregistered vehicles. Amazing, ain’t it?

So everything is fine, the wife is resting and I felt like spending some quiet time posting something different. Time for some more urban renewal. :rolleyes: :smokin:

Glad to hear you're both okay.
I was out getting some stuff to put the lawn mower in use yesterday and had to stop at a gas station. Well, there was a fender bender just before I got there. The car that cause the accident was driven by a kid that had a suspended license, driving "his sisters" car, no insurance and could barely speak english. As the county sheriff is writing up the report, a kid riding one of those rice rocket cycles comes down the road and decides to show off for those of us at the gas pumps. Effidently he can't see the sheriff on the otherside of the SUV, and he pulls a wheely. As the front wheel comes down, he looks over and sees the cop, you could here him say "Oh Sh@*!". The cop starts laughing and yells at the guy to "come here", which he does. If it hadn't of been a red light I'm sure he could have gotten away, but due to slowing down the cop got a good look at his plate so he made the right choice!
With MI being a "No Fault" insurance state our rates have been going up, mainly because of the "uninsured" motorists. It's crazy anymore. I had insurance with a big name company for about 10 years and never had a claim. My '88 Monte Carlo SS got stolen and they paid me for it then cancelled me. 10 years I cost them nothing, they give me $1800 and call it quits. I just don't get it!:mad:

Seems you were lucky Energy... Glad to hear you're ok. :agree:

/Claes

I believe it was Craig H. who asked for a before and after pics. This is close. Total time for this house was 6 hours. Count the bodies on the roof. It doesn't show the ground crew. And, Eagle Eye, before you comment on the dumpster in the driveway, they hadn't left yet as you can see by their jackets on the front lawn. Probably having a beer.:vfunny: :smokin:

energy

Wow, an 8 man roofing crew! No wonder the job went so fast.

And, I like the innovative use of the tarp on the ground to catch nails, etc. I have never seen anyone around here use one.

Craig

There always btw 15 to 17 man crew. There were more on the other side. In addition, the ground crew runs magnetic nail sweepers, continuously before they leave. The owner tells them that when they are through, he will run the sweeper and will get $20 a nail from them for everyone he finds. (He never does it, but how's that for incentive to do a good job?:vfunny: :smokin:

Here I am visiting the Cove thinking about my next post! From me to all of you!:vfunny:

Wait a minute. Are you calling us losers? Forgive me, but as a “Neanderthal”, I’m failing to understand your message.

db said:

Wait a minute. Are you calling us losers? Forgive me, but as a “Neanderthal”, I’m failing to understand your message.

This was a test for responses before I post the pic elsewhere where the non contributors can view it. So, the absence of Smilies may indicate that it may not be taken in jest? I thought....I mean...can't you see the light bulbs? Ha Ha? See the "Loser" L with the hand surrounding Marc? Ha Ha? Oh Boy, back to the drawing board. How about seeing "old". See how old energy is? Ha Ha? maybe....How about....Hey, I'm keeping my clothes on. That's where I draw the line.
:vfunny: :smokin:

Hey, I'm keeping my clothes on. That's where I draw the line.

Even those who aren't prudes would probably draw the same line! :vfunny:

energy said:

Hey, I'm keeping my clothes on. That's where I draw the line.
:vfunny: :smokin:

So am I - so I don't scare anyone.

Jim,

I remember awhile ago Marc mentioned that he disabled that function. I forget the rationale, but I vaguely recall that it had something to do with if you thought enough about to post it, let it stay there. Now, you can edit it down to nothing if you don't want to look at it. I prefer to let those crappy ones fade away into history. Incidentally, that isn't that new a thing with the inability to perform thread deletions. Thinking about taking out all those mean posts to me?:vfunny: :smokin:

Right. That function has always been disabled for the reason energy gave. Nothing new.

Jim Wade said:

PS a word of advice. Ditch the jeans. I can put you in touch with a super stylist. Just ask!

This is a roofing business and I'm considered dressed up. Jeans and sneakers are really great and if you want to get your as$ kicked, put on a tie! So, pack your stylist! :p :smokin:

energy said:

This is a roofing business and I'm considered dressed up. Jeans and sneakers are really great and if you want to get your as$ kicked, put on a tie! So, pack your stylist! :p :smokin:
Well I think you look charming, energy. And that hat suits you so well!

Nosmo King said:

Well I think you look charming, energy. And that hat suits you so well!

Nice to see you posting, Sweet Thing. The hat is to hide my bald head. We missed you. Just for that, here's a couple of chicks that will give you a run for your money. :vfunny: :smokin:

Drat, I was so excited I forgot to add the attachment. Next post!

energy said:

Nice to see you posting, Sweet Thing. The hat is to hide my bald head. We missed you. Just for that, here's a couple of chicks that will give you a run for your money. :vfunny: :smokin:

Drat, I was so excited I forgot to add the attachment. Next post!

Here it is. Don't get jealous!

Nosmo, I tried to tell you that pix was promoting the dumb blond image, didn't I???? Now see where it has gone.

My friend here is interested in the Biker Chicks...

Jim Wade said:

This thread is going downhill fast.

Well done, everybody.

rgds Jim

I always advocate animal rights. See the happy monkeys?
:vfunny:

No pics, just thought you might be interested in this little message. We received this notice this morning. Little by little Mr. B. Ford is changing all the things that Mr. Nasser did over his tenure. It just goes to show that sometimes you have to go backwards to make any progress!

I am pleased to announce that beginning on June 17, 2003, the Ford oval will again represent Ford Motor Company and the Ford brand worldwide.

In talking with employees and customers around the world, it's clear to me that there is a lot of passion behind the Ford oval as a symbol for our company. I share those feelings and that pride. There also is a strong business case for doing this, as the Ford brand is one of the most widely recognized and valued trademarks in the world. In addition, nearly all company facilities are still using oval signs, so this change actually saves us replacement costs.

The first day of our next 100 years is the perfect time for us to launch a "Centennial Oval" as our global corporate identity. Later this week, we will begin working to replace the Ford Motor Company script on our World Headquarters building with this modern version of the Ford oval. We will reveal the new building signs in June as part of the centennial celebration.

The Ford oval will be the symbol for both the corporation and for Ford-branded cars and trucks. Logos on the company’s other brands and products will not change, underlining the strength of our individual brands – Lincoln, Mercury, Mazda, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Land Rover and Volvo.

Our revitalization strategy is all about getting back to the basic elements that have made us a successful company for 100 years. The Ford oval is a powerful symbol of that proud heritage. It is recognized everywhere as an icon of the company that put the world on wheels in the 20th century. This effort is about far more than changing a sign on a building. It's our way of telling the world that as we head into our next century we plan to leverage our unique legacy and lead the industry by building great products, a strong business and a better world.

Thank you for your ongoing support as we continue to strengthen the performance, image and reputation of Ford Motor Company.


Bill Ford

Craig H. said:

Other than my retirement and profit sharing, which have taken a beating along with almost everyone else's, much of my "nest egg" is in old firearms. Unconventional? Sure. But, they rarely depreciate in value, unless they are not taken care of.

As far as the comparison between politicians and business people, I can only say this - I trust no politician. Most businessmen I know, I trust, but the bad ones tend to be really, really bad.

Craig

Collectables such as firearms are't unconventional. Heck, PBSs Antiques Road Show is all about collectables. The guy across the street from me bought a house the local school district owned and rented which has 2 large barns. This fellow bought the property at auction. He collects cars. The house is a modest place - nothing like the one's they're building around us. But it's nice and he has a heck of a lot of room for his cars in those barns.

Sounds like you have a good investment, and surely it's more fun that watching a 401 or such.

My friend here is interested in the Biker Chicks...

squirrel.gif

Boy, I thought squirrels stored their acorns underground for the winter!

We learn something new every day:D

Just so you can see that it just isn't private homes! Do it right with Energyrite!:vfunny:

Marc,

Just noticed that after posting a reply the "View Posts Since Last Visit" option is no longer there :confused: :confused:

Bill

Marc, just signed on for the first time since your server upgrade...what happened to the "new posts since you last signed on" link?

Rosie,
There are 5 small buttons near the top (Right arrows). Try the second one from left.

Rosie,
There are 5 small buttons near the top (Right arrows). Try the second one from left.

Thanks, Atul...I clicked on one of these arrows a few minutes ago and it marked everything as read, so, oh well...it'll work better next time! I appreciate the quick response!

Hello All,

Just wanted to say Thanks for the Cove, it has been a great help to me during the transition.
I am hoping more people will post replys to the AS9100 thread, it seems to be very slow going.
Thanks again, glad to be here! :bigwave:

Hello All,

Just wanted to say Thanks for the Cove, it has been a great help to me during the transition.
I am hoping more people will post replys to the AS9100 thread, it seems to be very slow going.
Thanks again, glad to be here! :bigwave:

A while ago, when I thought I may be returning to the Q profession as a Mgt Rep for a company that was considering AS9100, I noticed an under abundance of posts on this topic. However, the Quality of the posts are excellent. For some reason, beyond my comprehension, there appears to be less confusion with the interpretations. Maybe, the practioners are no nonsense, professionals who are serious about their craft. Because the standard mimics ISO 9001, with extras particular to the Aircraft Industry, you would think that there would be more questions. It's possible that most companies who are registered get guidance from their Customer Representatives as to what is acceptable, hence the need to only ask those questions where there is serious disagreement. In ISO, most of the questions are the result of paranoia and from people striving to get Registered. That's my take on it anyway. :rolleyes: :smokin:

energy,

Back in the mid-80s I worked for an aircraft parts manufacturer. And, yes, it is a whole different world. People are VERY serious about what they do. We had a standard question to pose to the design engineer if he was waviering on an issue....Would you fly on that plane with that part? Always made things very clear.

CarolX

Just so you can see that it just isn't private homes! Do it right with Energyrite!:vfunny:

These are the kinds of letters that make the day worthwhile. It was accompanied with a photo album of the days activities. Talk about Customer Satisfaction. :rolleyes: :smokin:

These are the kinds of letters that make the day worthwhile. It was accompanied with a photo album of the days activities. Talk about Customer Satisfaction. :rolleyes: :smokin:
Let's try again to attach a file. :frust:

Rosie,
There are 5 small buttons near the top (Right arrows). Try the second one from left.

I have tried twice, unsuccessfully to attach a letter in the jpeg format. Any suggestions? I followed the necessary steps, I think. Post something for us Atul. Maybe a glitch? maybe cockpit problems on my end? :frust: :smokin:

I have tried twice, unsuccessfully to attach a letter in the jpeg format. Any suggestions? I followed the necessary steps, I think. Post something for us Atul. Maybe a glitch? maybe cockpit problems on my end? :frust: :smokin:

1. Send me the file as an e-mail attachment and let me try it here.
2. Are you sure it's not too big? (Either file size or picture size)
3. Exactly what happens when you try to upload the file? What happens? What do you see?

I need more specifics. I have seen people upload a number of files and I have myself without a problem. I'm betting it's a file size issue.

One thing: There is still a bug where .gif files do not render as thumbnails in posts for some reason.

I've attached 4 test files - the one from Sanity Cruse (Santa Cruz) -2- is from the early 1970's when I was a bit more foolish...

The first 2 are jpg files. The third is an animated gif file. The fourth is a standard gif. I'm troubleshooting why the gifs only show up as placeholders.

1. Send me the file as an e-mail attachment and let me try it here.


I'll send the file to you via e-mail. It's a scanned letter converted to jpg.
Thanks for the response. :smokin:

Thanks, Atul...I clicked on one of these arrows a few minutes ago and it marked everything as read, so, oh well...it'll work better next time! I appreciate the quick response!
Hold your mouse arrow over the button and it should tell you what the button does. There is a lot of 'MouseOver' information on every page.

I'll get the buttons changed soon.

I'll send the file to you via e-mail. It's a scanned letter converted to jpg.
Thanks for the response. :smokin:

Okay, When the screen pops up to "Manage Attachments", I click "Browse" . Find the file, open it or double click it. The address shows up the browser field, just like the old system. Then I click "Add this file" Nothing happens. Then I click "Done". Nothing happens.

Any help? I just tried again with a photo I have attached before-prior to the change. :frust: :smokin:

The only thing I have changed is that I now limit image size to 800 wide x 600 tall, but I would expect an error message if the criteria is not met.

What is the size of the image you are trying to upload?

The only thing I have changed is that I now limit image size to 800 wide x 600 tall, but I would expect an error message if the criteria is not met.

What is the size of the image you are trying to upload?

If 800 W X 600 H is in pixels, that's the problem. The letter is 1325 W X 1747H. It is a letter and any smaller it won't be read. If I posted it in word, would it be more appropriate? The other photo I tried is 512kb file size...1280 X 960 pixels. What is that in inches? I could find out, but I'm lazy. An aside, all the other photos in the Fishing & Hunting thread are larger than that, yes? It's important that others know that jpeg, etc are limited in size. If you posted that previously, I missed it. Thanks for the assistance. :bonk: :smokin:


Oh, there is no error message telling you that the file is too large.

It'll be readable. Just scale the image - say 75% and see what you come up with. I've reduced a lot of photos with little detail loss. Try scaling it and then post it and see. I did just change it to allow 800 x 800.

I'll see what the vB forums are saying, if anything, about what 'should' happen. I would expect an error message telling you the image size was too big.

Well, we can't have everything...

It'll be readable. Just scale the image - say 75% and see what you come up with. I've reduced a lot of photos with little detail loss. Try scaling it and then post it and see. I did just change it to allow 800 x 800.

I'll see what the vB forums are saying, if anything, about what 'should' happen. I would expect an error message telling you the image size was too big.

Well, we can't have everything...

Not a problem. Photo shops have provisions for re-sizing. Again, thanks for looking into it for US ;) :smokin:

I'll send the file to you via e-mail. It's a scanned letter converted to jpg.
Thanks for the response. :smokin:
Haven't got it. Did you send it?

BTW - I set the limit because I'd opened some pictures and it was like seeing every pixel. I checked around and the forums I found all restricted by size. If this becomes a problem I can disable it or set it higher. I'm not sure of the relationship to file size. I'll have to look at that. If that's not an issue I guess it doesn't matter. Just seemed to me since I know of no browser where you can reduce the image (I could be missing something, but I've not found a way) when they're WAY bigger than the window can display, it made sense asthetically.

My bigger concern at this point is that you received no error message describing the problem.

Working on that as well.

Haven't got it. Did you send it?

My bigger concern at this point is that you received no error message describing the problem.

Working on that as well.

I sent it, but I used the e-mail address that appears when I clicked on that handsome mug of yours. That may be defuncto. I'll try again from work. later Cheech :ko:

Haven't got it. Did you send it?

BTW - I set the limit because I'd opened some pictures and it was like seeing every pixel. I checked around and the forums I found all restricted by size. If this becomes a problem I can disable it or set it higher. I'm not sure of the relationship to file size. I'll have to look at that. If that's not an issue I guess it doesn't matter. Just seemed to me since I know of no browser where you can reduce the image (I could be missing something, but I've not found a way) when they're WAY bigger than the window can display, it made sense asthetically.

My bigger concern at this point is that you received no error message describing the problem.

Working on that as well.

This trial pic is 800 X 600 Pixels. Let's see how it goes. Well, this time it shows the attachment and appears to be accepted.
:eek:

Haven't got it. Did you send it?

BTW - I set the limit because I'd opened some pictures and it was like seeing every pixel. I checked around and the forums I found all restricted by size. If this becomes a problem I can disable it or set it higher. I'm not sure of the relationship to file size. I'll have to look at that. If that's not an issue I guess it doesn't matter. Just seemed to me since I know of no browser where you can reduce the image (I could be missing something, but I've not found a way) when they're WAY bigger than the window can display, it made sense asthetically.

My bigger concern at this point is that you received no error message describing the problem.

Working on that as well.

You're right about not losing anything significant when you reduce the pic to 800 Pix or less. The view at 100% is perfect. I'll remember that from now on. Attached is the scanned letter converted to a jpeg doc. Now, that's one happy customer written by a very intelligent woman :vfunny:

For a document such as this, there is an icon of a screen that says "Expand to normal size" and it's perfect. I mean, when you click on the thumbnail in the post, that feature appears. Added in: Clicking on the thumbnail opens the document. Moving the mouse over the opened image produces that "expand" feature. Neat! There are also options to "save", "print", "e-mail" and another one for what I do not know. It says "open my pictures folder", but I figure it's already open. maybe not. Just more goodies.

Energy,

I have noticed your photos and then that great letter and I thought it adds a bit of punch to your post when you can see the photo or documnet straight away. I thought I'd have a go at posting a photo. This is one of my old ship the HMAS Melbourne (Light Aircraft Carrier). It has since been decommisioned and turned into razor blades in Korea. (I hope it worked)

Greg B

Energy,

I have noticed your photos and then that great letter and I thought it adds a bit of punch to your post when you can see the photo or documnet straight away. I thought I'd have a go at posting a photo. This is one of my old ship the HMAS Melbourne (Light Aircraft Carrier). It has since been decommisioned and turned into razor blades in Korea. (I hope it worked)
Greg B

Greg, It worked just fine. I was on three separate Aircraft Carriers and can appreciate what "home" looked like. Did you keep it within the 800X800 Pixels that Marc mentioned? Just curious. So is Marc, I'm sure! :eek: :smokin:

Did you keep it within the 800X800 Pixels that Marc mentioned? Just curious. So is Marc, I'm sure! :eek: :smokin:

Energy,

I had read some of yours and Marc's previous posts and saw the requirement for 800 x 800. I then went to 'My Documents' then 'My Pictures' (in good 'ol mickeysoft) selected a picture and previewed it in the left hand margin. Above the preview it tells you all about the selected picture, included is dimensions in pixels.

This picture was 590 x 384 pixels. Here are a couple more of my old warbird pics. They are all 365 x 250 (I don't remember how I got them to this size though)

Greg

Energy,

I had read some of yours and Marc's previous posts and saw the requirement for 800 x 800. I then went to 'My Documents' then 'My Pictures' (in good 'ol mickeysoft) selected a picture and previewed it in the left hand margin. Above the preview it tells you all about the selected picture, included is dimensions in pixels.

This picture was 590 x 384 pixels. Here are a couple more of my old warbird pics. They are all 365 x 250 (I don't remember how I got them to this size though)

Greg

That plane looks like a later version of what we had, called a Willy Fudd. Especially fitted with sonobouys for anti-submarine measures and MADD gear. Were you guys sub hunters?:ko:

That plane looks like a later version of what we had, called a Willy Fudd. Especially fitted with sonobouys for anti-submarine measures and MADD gear. Were you guys sub hunters?:ko:

Energy,

They were Grumman SG Trackers with Sonobouys etc. I worked on Seaking ASW, then a bit on Trackers and then finally I transferred to Orions P3Cs. I also spent time maintaining ASW gear especially torpedoes. This took me on some excellent trips exspecially Hawaii during RIMPACs. I 've added a Seaking and Orion photo. I also worked in EOD and just love the photo with the 'paper bag trick' I grabbed from the Canucks.

Greg B

This trial pic is 800 X 600 Pixels. Let's see how it goes. Well, this time it shows the attachment and appears to be accepted.
:eek:

Just another pic. We are the best!!! :ko:

Energy,

I also worked in EOD and just love the photo with the 'paper bag trick' I grabbed from the Canucks.

Greg B

I like this one. Do you think it's his car? :vfunny: :smokin:

I like this one. Do you think it's his car? :vfunny: :smokin:

So I guess you can say that it is beer that keeps the world going, and going , and really going! :ko: That's great way to recycle too.

mooser

Energy,
I just read this thread and I think you (or Weathertite's owner) have hit on a very important quality point: the job's not finished until the paperwork's done. Many would accept that a roof rebuilt properly, that doesn't leak for 25-30 years, is the job they paid for. However, full return of the property to pre-roofer condition cannot and should not be underestimated when considering a roofer. Damage to structure, landscaping, yard equipment and personnel (read this as child or grandchild in the emergency roof with a roofing nail in their foot) must be considered if your contractor's crew leaves shingles, nails, beverage cans, and lunch wrappers all over your yard (and in your gutters). Nice work!

Marc,
I consider the Cove to be on par with Energy's roofing business with regards to quality of work! Keep it up, or should I say, please let us keep it up!
Thanks,
John