Can anyone out there point me to a list that shows the relation ship between TS16949 and AS9100A...what is the difference or even what is the difference from ISO9001:2000 to AS9100A? I know, I can buy the standard (already ordered) but I have seen many good standard comparisons in this cove and elsewhere.

Thanks

When you receive your copy of AS 9100a, it will be very easy to see the relationship with ISO 9001:2000. The ISO requirements are in regular text and the additional AS requirments are bolded.

Sorry, but I cannot help you on the TS 16949 spec. I have some experience with QS 9000 from years gone by but no experience with the TS spec. My hunch is that the AS 9100a standard is not as comprehensive as TS 16949.

Any takers? Anybody working both sides of the tracks?

I've never found one that really met my needs, so I decided to create one of my own. I sat down for a looooooong time and created a spreadsheet (this is great stuff to do while sitting in airports and such). It contains all of the requirements side-by-side of ISO 9001:2000, ISO/TS 16949:2002, AS9100A, and DIS 13485. What I find is that it's very unwieldy at comparing the standards as a whole, but if I'm looking at a specific area it's much quicker than flipping back and forth between the standards. I'll post in a few minutes with another version...

OK, this next one is a much better comparison (IMO), but it's not yet finished. In this one, I took the same four standards and did a plain english translation of the differences. In the ISO 9001:2000 column it only lists the section titles. In the columns for each standard, it lists only the differences from 9001. It's completed through 7.3.4.

One of these days I'd like to finish it - unless one of you wants to do it for me and post it here again! :D While you're at it, why don't you add in 14001, 17025, and OHSAS 18000. :vfunny:

Howste,

My check is in the mail to down load files....

do you think you could e-mail your attachements? I'm very new to the AS standard and could use all the help I can get.

Thank you so much!:bigwave:

I just sent the files... :bigwave:

Originally posted by howste
(this is great stuff to do while sitting in airports and such).

These are GREAT...you really must spend a lot of time in airports!

Thanks Again:D

You're welcome. :D Hopefully they'll be useful to you in transitioning.

Howste

This file is GREAT...., just exactly what I was looking for. It will be of great help to me because I haven't got time to compare all these lengthy standard documents.

I don't understand why these standards organisations can't "standardize" it and provide these comparisons since they all use the same set of principles anyway.

Your file is just wonderful....thanks very much mate

Garry

You're welcome Garry :D

I've never found one that really met my needs, so I decided to create one of my own. I sat down for a looooooong time and created a spreadsheet (this is great stuff to do while sitting in airports and such). It contains all of the requirements side-by-side of ISO 9001:2000, ISO/TS 16949:2002, AS9100A, and DIS 13485. What I find is that it's very unwieldy at comparing the standards as a whole, but if I'm looking at a specific area it's much quicker than flipping back and forth between the standards. I'll post in a few minutes with another version...
howste,
Great spredsheets. I was just asked a question this morning that your sheets answered for me.
Thanks

Glad to hear it, Russ. :D BTW, A company I used to work for had a supplier in Tipton. Do you know Steel Parts Corporation?

So... anybody offering to finish the second spreadsheet for me? I'm still waiting to get a copy of the final version of 13485.

Glad to hear it, Russ. :D BTW, A company I used to work for had a supplier in Tipton. Do you know Steel Parts Corporation?

So... anybody offering to finish the second spreadsheet for me? I'm still waiting to get a copy of the final version of 13485.
Yes indeed, I know Steel Parts well. Have several people I know that work there. As far as I can tell they are still going strong. You know Tipton is known far and wide for it's annual Pork Festival!

You know Tipton is known far and wide for it's annual Pork Festival!

Tipton also has a wonderful little park that my kids made me take them to at least once a year when they were younger (lots of cool playground equipment). I live in Marion, so it took us a solid half-hour to 45 minutes just to get there, but it was worth it. :bigwave: ;)

Howste,

Thanks for posting this fantastic matrix. It has proved invaluable in understanding the delta from 9K2K to AS9100!

All the best. Regards
Phil :bigwave:

You're welcome! :D Glad to know it's useful to you.

I'm actually a little backwords from most here. Our company is certified and registered to ISO9002:2000 and AS9100A:2001, but I'm totally lost on the difference between AS and QS requirements. If someone, anyone would be kind enough to forward me the matrix, I'd be forever grateful.

We are in the process of becoming a supplier to ther automotive industry and need some help figuring out what the difference in the spec is or if I need to change, or add to our registration.

Thanks in advance
bnwilk

What is your e-mail address? I can send it to you. It has helped me in more ways then one.

bnwilk

Howste has provided this spreadsheet....great comparison. Why would you use QS9000 (it's a dead "standard"). Go for TS16949 to be in line with the system approach used by AS9100 and ISO9000:2000.

I've never found one that really met my needs, so I decided to create one of my own. I sat down for a looooooong time and created a spreadsheet (this is great stuff to do while sitting in airports and such). It contains all of the requirements side-by-side of ISO 9001:2000, ISO/TS 16949:2002, AS9100A, and DIS 13485. What I find is that it's very unwieldy at comparing the standards as a whole, but if I'm looking at a specific area it's much quicker than flipping back and forth between the standards. I'll post in a few minutes with another version...

Good luck.
Garry

bnwilk

Howste has provided this spreadsheet....great comparison.

Yes it is great (Thank you again Howste), it also is a Great tool for a Gap Analysis.

By the way welcome to the Cove bnwilk, I notice we are from the same neighborhood. :bigwave:

Wow, who would have thought I'd run into someone from home so quick.

I like your name ISO cheesy, you must be an auditor or QA manager?

I called my registor and was told that it takes a year to get the 16949. I'm already AS9100A and ISO 9002:2000, so gonna try and convince them I qualify to be approved. Can't go back to QS9000 as it is based on ISO 1994.

You're right - registrars are required to have a year's worth of data before certification to TS 16949. However, if you are already certified to another standard, you may already have (or be able to collect) all of the data necessary to meet the requirements. The TS 16949 system doesn't necessarily need to be in place for a year. I got this info directly from a registrar yesterday.

I like the review of your spreadsheets, developed by you, trough various posts above.

I am working on the requirements of ISO9k standard in teaching institutions. Are they satisfying all criteia, if not how have the standards been utilised to address the specific needs.

I would want your copy of spreadsheet mailed to me, and if I am through with some applications, or have problems shall revert back to you and the forum.

thanx
savda

This is a reply to an old question but


Less than 12 months Performance Data
Question: How can a Site working towards ISO/TS 16949:2002 show 12 months performance data?
Answer: For an established facility the last 12 months performance data should be provided against the products in production and the QMS being used.

Note: In the case of a new facility the audit should be conducted once ISO/TS 16949:2002 QMS compliance is established the Certification Body is permitted to issue a letter of conformance. After 12 months production, when performance data is verified, the Certification process can proceed.

as found at http://www.iaob.org/faq.html

This is quite definite

:D The comparison matrix here is wonderful!!!!!!! Being new to AS - - it is going to be of immense help to me as I get through my learning curve on this. Thanks so much for posting it!!

Wow, this thread never dies! It looks like I'll need to update the matrices one of these days. I never did finish the second matrix, as all of my airport time lately seems to get used up in finishing audit reports and such. Anyway, I'm glad it's still coming in handy for people... :D

howste, just wanted to offer you my sincere thanks for providing the comparison matrix; it's going be a great help for me in helping our company prepare for AS9100 certification process.

:thanks:

Our company is certified and registered to ISO9002:2000 and AS9100A:2001, Thanks in advance
bnwilk
You mean 9001:2000. ISO 9002:2000 is an inside joke here at the Cove.
And btw, do you know why your company is not listed in the OASIS database? It looks like you have been certified to AS9100 for a while. According to SAE AIR 5359, the CRB must enter the AS9100 certified organization in the OASIS database.

Howste -

Any chance you finished that "plain English" comparison of the standards? Having spent last year working on QS to TS transitions, looks like this year will be spent with a new set of friends to ISO to TS :D

Sorry, it hasn't been high on my priority list lately. Maybe one of these days...

... and in my spare time I'll add the ISO 14001 and OHSAS stuff to it :lol:

... I just need a lap top to make better use of that airport time!

Will get the spreadsheet. So far all good review.
Our company is ISO9001 and AS 9003, we are looking forward to AS9100. So this is going to be great, will pass it on to my boss. I will check it out too. Thanks in advance.

Howste,
I have just been asked by my boss to compare ISO9001 and AS9100. Found your matrix--it's great! Have you by any chance updated it yet?

Thanks!

Unfortunately I haven't. It seems like there's still a need for it though.

I should have a new laptop in a couple of weeks - hopefully I can put it to some good use. I'll be traveling quite a bit in the near future, and maybe I can push the priority up on this...

I am working in an automotive firm. i want to know wat r the diffrences between QS 9000 and TS 16949. Please Help me.
thanks
Deepak Pathria

Here is a comparison chart I used when we switched from QS to TS.
Hope this helps explain differences.

I am working in an automotive firm. i want to know wat r the diffrences between QS 9000 and TS 16949. Please Help me.
thanks
Deepak Pathria

I took my QS and TS books, laid them side by side, and marked all the items that were different in a green ink. That way, when I began to use TS, I could clearly see what was new.

There are a lot of green marks in my book. I think every page has some changes marked. Too many to list here. But it is an excellent exercise when a new standard comes out.

I've never found one that really met my needs, so I decided to create one of my own. I sat down for a looooooong time and created a spreadsheet (this is great stuff to do while sitting in airports and such). It contains all of the requirements side-by-side of ISO 9001:2000, ISO/TS 16949:2002, AS9100A, and DIS 13485. What I find is that it's very unwieldy at comparing the standards as a whole, but if I'm looking at a specific area it's much quicker than flipping back and forth between the standards. I'll post in a few minutes with another version...

Howdy,:bigwave:

I am impressed with your work, Howste.

Do you have the comparison of those standards against AS9100 Rev. B?

Hope you can assist.

AS9100 Rev B is the same as Rev A. All they did was took out the old ISO 9001:1994-based section and made some minor corrections. The comparison matrices posted are still valid.

AS9100 Rev B is the same as Rev A. All they did was took out the old ISO 9001:1994-based section and made some minor corrections. The comparison matrices posted are still valid.

Does this mean that I can still maintain the Rev.A and blend it with ISO 9001:2000? What else do I need to consider in order to comply with AS9100 Rev. B requirements:yes: ?

Does this mean that I can still maintain the Rev.A and blend it with ISO 9001:2000?
Yes.

What else do I need to consider in order to comply with AS9100 Rev. B requirements:yes: ?
The main thing is to comply with the additional aerospace requirements of AS9100 over ISO 9001 (in bold, italic text in the standard).

There are a few other documents that are associated with AS9100 that you might like to be familiar with.

ISO 10007 and AS9102 are standards related to configuration management and first article requirements referred to in AS9100.

AIR5359 and AIR5493 address requirements for registrars and registrar auditor training. If you take an accredited AS9100 auditor course, you'll be familiarized with them.

Yes.


The main thing is to comply with the additional aerospace requirements of AS9100 over ISO 9001 (in bold, italic text in the standard).

There are a few other documents that are associated with AS9100 that you might like to be familiar with.

ISO 10007 and AS9102 are standards related to configuration management and first article requirements referred to in AS9100.

AIR5359 and AIR5493 address requirements for registrars and registrar auditor training. If you take an accredited AS9100 auditor course, you'll be familiarized with them.

This is good! ;)

Since I do not have any reference to AS9100, where can I obtain a good reference journals or books regards AS 9100 implementation? :(

This is great!! Very helpful.

Maybe you can direct me to a several "sample quality manual" that has both AS9100 and QS9000. I have quality manuals of both but would like to make it one system and 1 manual I would like to see several different samples on how companys do this.

This is great!! Very helpful.

Maybe you can direct me to a several "sample quality manual" that has both AS9100 and QS9000. I have quality manuals of both but would like to make it one system and 1 manual I would like to see several different samples on how companys do this.

Hi Tracy,

I don't know of any example manuals that include both AS9100 and QS-9000. Since QS-9000 is no longer valid after December 2006, most companies are dropping it and transitioning to ISO/TS 16949. If you're in the automotive supply chain, it would be better to spend your time and effort working in that direction instead of working to a "dead" standard.

Hi Tracy,

I don't know of any example manuals that include both AS9100 and QS-9000. Since QS-9000 is no longer valid after December 2006, most companies are dropping it and transitioning to ISO/TS 16949. If you're in the automotive supply chain, it would be better to spend your time and effort working in that direction instead of working to a "dead" standard.

Hi Tracy,
You'd better follow Howste's advice, because the QS-9000's "coffin" is about to be ready.
I would strongly urge you to go for ISO/TS 16949. Nevertheless, both AS9100 Rev.B and ISO/TS 16949 are using the same approach, i.e. Process Approach.
:bigwave:

Excuse my ignorance but what is AS9100a?

Excuse my ignorance but what is AS9100a?

AS9100 Revision A (now replaced by revision B) - A quality management system requirements standard for aerospace. It's also based on ISO 9001:2000 like TS 16949 for automotive.

Thanks,
I must sound like a dim wit.
I'm automotive not Aerospace but hey THANKS