Right.... Let's try the new software gizmos out here....

Testing, testing, ... Hellooooo?

Link test: My site (http://cog.has.it)

Ok, I think I'm getting the idea.... But the colour choice is trial and error. I can't see the colours in the menu... :confused:

/Claes

I'll check out the vB bugs forum.

I assume you're using Internat Explorer on a PC?

I'll check out the vB bugs forum.

I assume you're using Internat Explorer on a PC?

Yes and no.... I use a PC and have tried it with both Explorer 6 and Opera 7.

/Claes

OK - It's about 4 AM GMT (11.44 PM here) and I just locked out the forums on the old server for good (fingers crossed).

Now - we'll see who finds their way here. :thedeal:

For some reason MySQL seems to be going to sleep from time to time. Not sure what's happening yet...

40201 mysql 2 0 30104K 7168K vsleep 0 0:00 0.00% 0.00% mysqld

It's the same as it always was for the image link - that's not new. As I remember you can link to an image on a web site.

I don't know yet what the 'enhanced' is. It has always been there but I never used it or thought about it. I'll have to check that one out.

There's also the colour issue for fonts in the new post window. I have to figure that one out...

It's the same as it always was for the image link - that's not new. As I remember you can link to an image on a web site.

I don't know yet what the 'enhanced' is. It has always been there but I never used it or thought about it. I'll have to check that one out.

There's also the colour issue for fonts in the new post window. I have to figure that one out...

When I posted reply to this thread, it automatically pulled up the last quote? I noticed that when I tried to quote Steelmaiden in the cats thread, I couldn't do it. Maybe that doesn't work in the "Quick reply" function. I'll just keep messin around and report in. Like, bet y'all can't wait! :eek: :ko:

Yes and no.... I use a PC and have tried it with both Explorer 6 and Opera 7.

/Claes

Posting a reply to anyone's post, automatically quotes that person in your latest post. Cool. We no longer have to use the ole "quote function" method to pointedly address that particular person mistatements.:vfunny: :smokin:

Several times I have clicked on that little icon between Edit and Reply (with quote) button and got a full reply box. I'm watching for some weird behaviour.

I don't think every reply is supposed to automatically quote every time.

Several times I have clicked on that little icon between Edit and Reply (with quote) button and got a full reply box. I'm exhibiting some weird behaviour.

I don't think every reply is supposed to automatically quote every time.

I just clicked reply and your are quoted in full. Of course, I can edit anyway I want, like this! I believe the quick reply does not.I'll do that right now! :frust:

To get a better toolbar and WYSIWYG editing when you post:

Go to your User control Panel -> Options and set "Show Enhanced (WYSIWYG) Toolbar.

/Claes

Just logged in using 16949.com/Forums. it didn't take me to admin20.gsp....

Just logged in using 16949.com/Forums. it didn't take me to admin20.gsp....

Aha? elsmar.com still does...

/Claes

Just logged in using 16949.com/Forums. it didn't take me to admin20.gsp....
It will soon... As will Elsmar.com and even that oldie qs9000.com.

The DNS changes are propagating, I believe, but it takes a day or two.

There... Now Elsmar works too...

/Claes

Ok, I think I'm getting the idea.... But the colour choice is trial and error. I can't see the colours in the menu... :confused:
I expect it to be a week or so before I figure out what the deal is with colours. They are still an issue with me.

As I think everyone knows, I had to switch to ANOTHER server and the DNS change will occur again this week. Sorry!

Hey Marc,

What's with this Comic Sans everywhere?

I see you got the "borders" to work again...
Or were they there on Friday? :bonk:

Suggestion/question.

We have white and purplish alternating posts.
Is there anyway you get the Purple post times and post subject (top section of post) to also be purple? :ko:

You don't like the new fonts and style? :(

As I play with things a bit more - and after the 'golden' release - I'll set up a few different styles with some font options. But I think most browers can now over-ride style sheets - or can they?

If enough people complain I'll change back to arial. I sorta like it myself, though.

Suggestion/question.

We have white and purplish alternating posts.
Is there anyway you get the Purple post times and post subject (top section of post) to also be purple? :ko:
I have the 'outside' borders on. The inside borders are 'off'. I'm still experimenting with the styles and mapping what changes what. I think what you're saying is it's hard to associate them without a border which surrounds the whole message frame.

This is one big mess of nested tables that I'm still mapping. There is no documentation with this software - it's all a matter of trial and error and visiting the vB web site and asking questions which, like here, are sometimes answered and sometimes not.

If you go to http://Elsmar.com/Forums/profile.php?do=editoptions and scroll down and change your 'style set' to the "English...with table lines" you'll see it with inside borders on and fat outside borders.

You don't like the new fonts and style? :(
...
If enough people complain I'll change back to arial. I sorta like it myself, though.
Personally, I'd much prefer Verdana- its cleaner.
w.r.t. what Bob said, the Time/heading should have the 'alt2' style as well.

I'll be looking to see how (if) I can control it that way. Again, with all the nesting, a lot of unexpected results are happening.

Atul, I believe you have access to look at the style setups in the admin control panel. If you have suggestions I'm listening.

WOW
I see Marc is playing with the colors/borders....

The Dark Blue Border does NOT have white text...
Can read or see icons very well...
But other than than I like :thedeal:

Is the text colour correct now?

Looks good to me. :D

OK - one last change - how about now? Is everything showing up?

Looks OK here with IE6

How about now, Bob? Can you see everything OK?

How about now, Bob? Can you see everything OK?
Quite easy to read now.

Continue to have fun playing with colors and stuff, some variety can be nice :bigwave:

How about now, Bob? Can you see everything OK?

I assume you're still testing the color features but this is what I'm (not) seeing today as of 12:20 central time 07/22/03.

First post text within dark border is BLACK. *shrug*

I'm checking it out now. What Browser and OS are you using? CRT or an LCD type display? I'm seeing a yellow/gold text (see 1st attachment).

I'll change it to white and see what happens. See second attachment.

Make sure you 'reload' the page or otherwise clear your cache to ensure you're not getting old post data.

Marc,
I see the same thing as Bob, using IE 5.something and Winders 98SE, CRT display.

How about now? Does the white text show OK?

How about now? Does the white text show OK?

Still Black on Dark border. (Also same on top border bar of search page).
1:24 PM
IE 5.5
NT 4.0

Ditto here - thread rating stars are white, thread test on dark boarder is black

Still OK here. IE6, Win98, LCD

LOL, I just noticed what happens when you mouse over the new Karma ratings...

I'm going to have to play with this a bit now that I've changed so many 'settings' that I'm 2/3s lost...

I'm going to leave this 'reverted' basic style. Can you see everything with this style as is? (Woodstock Purple Haze, I guess...)

I seem to have missed out on a lot of action since yesterday. But this style looks quite OK, IMHO.

I'm going to leave this 'reverted' basic style. Can you see everything with this style as is? (Woodstock Purple Haze, I guess...)

Much better now...everything is readable.

Two toned purple with less dark purple is definately better and readable.
IE 5.5
NT 4.0
CRT 21"
3:30pm

I hate purple, but I'll leave things as are for now. I'll experiment here a bit on the copy I have on my Mac.

This style, with one exception - a purple page background which I changed to white, is the one which comes 'stock' with this beta software.

The vB people have been warning that the 'base' or 'stock' style will be changing when they release the 'Golden' scripts - probably a month or so from now).

In case you're interested, the attached are the 'stock' settings.

I'm going to quit quality and be a web-meister....

Colour choices anyone?

Two toned purple with less dark purple is definately better and readable.
IE 5.5
NT 4.0
CRT 21"
3:30pm
I very much appreciate the screen shot. It really helps. This is, as I said above, the vB 'shipping style'. But in my browser what you're seeing as black text on a somewhat deep purple background is yellow - gold on the following browsers:

IE 6.x on my pee cee

Camino | Safari | IE 5.2 (Mac for these last 3, obviously) and they all render the same. I can't reproduce the black text as I see in the screen shot.

Could you by chance have an override set in your preferences to override site style sheet settings? I know I have that capability in each of my browsers to override certain site defaults such as link colours, link hoover colours and fonts.

I don't think this is an issue - most folks do not change the 'preferences' {Internet Options} for things like font and links - But I want to ensure we look at all aspects.

I just want to avoid reacting by makeing a bunch of changes here which are really a function of the brower settings of a particular user. As I said earlier, there is quite a bit of nested tables stuff going on here - including the effects of php rendering. Some of the 'cascade' effects aren't what I would expect.

At this point I'm not sure it's not a function of IE 5.x's CSS rendering - which has been, and remains, at odds with 'sanctioned' CSS standards (Netscape | Geko and related aren't much better as I understand it).

Unfortunately, testing using published, open source test suites shows that Microsoft has failed to provide in any of its browsers the support for the W3C DOM level 1 that developers are demanding--even with the Tasman layout engine that is part of IE5 for the Macintosh. Not only is IE's DOM support incomplete on all platforms, but within Version 5 of IE, the DOM support is inconsistent between platforms. Ironically, because of this inconsistency in standards support in IE5 between platforms, the fact that IE5 for the Mac has different and better support for the W3C DOM than IE5 for Windows makes developers' lives harder in one way by requiring even more complicated client sniffing code than was necessary in the past. In the past, developers writing applications using the DOM had to detect the browser vendor and browser version to determine what DOM code they could execute on the user's browser. But now, because IE5 for the Mac and IE5 for Windows have differing support for the W3C DOM, developers writing DOM-based applications will have to client-sniff the browser, the version, and the platform (a third level of sniffing and conditional code forking) before executing code that relies on the DOM, and resort to browser- and platform-specific proprietary workarounds when the needed DOM support is missing. The W3C DOM was supposed to make developers' lives easier; incomplete and inconsistent implementations by browser vendors makes developers' lives harder. It's pretty clear to us here at Netscape that browser vendors need to listen to their customers and provide the consistent standards support across platforms that developers are calling for. (See http://wp.netscape.com/browsers/future/standards.html ) And yes - when you visit, the scripts try to 'sniff' what browser you're using from the http request header. In part this is to attempt to choose the 'correct' JavaScript FOR YOUR SPECIFIC BROWSER and PLATFORM. Now - at this point, if you want to complain, look to MickeySoft. They have attempted {succeeded, actually} to Co-Op and denigrate Java as well, but this is OLD info. That is (IMHO) part of a significant problem - but it's too late. Java conformity has been compromised by MickeySoft's implementation and it simply never inplemented W3C DOM.

This has been discussed in many articles. This is a Netscape doc but it's well known so it's not 'spin'.

To make things worse, MS has announced the end of IE. It will become (remember the lawsuit where it was agreed they wouldn't do this?) part of the OS.... this is some time off - but with all the browers out there today it's not always possible to satisfy everyone

Bottom line is a switch to IE 6.x might make sense as it does follow W3C standards much better than IE 5.x did. Unfortunately, MickeySoft continues to avoid strict compliance with any standards other than their own. We're all into Business Standards complieance here - What does this tell us?

Atul: What version of IE are you using? You've probably told me but I forgot. Were you seeing black text also?

Summary: I'll do whatever I can, but the purple HAS to go. I feel like I'm living in a Knights Inn.... Did that back in the 1980's. I HATE purple in the forums setting. Clothes or such I can handle better.

Atul: What version of IE are you using? You've probably told me but I forgot. Were you seeing black text also?


I was probably offline at the time when you were making all those changes. :( Right now, this is what I see: I am using IE5 ! :bonk:

GO ahead dump the purple. I never said I liked it, I just said I could read thru it easier. :p

As far as the IE 5.5 settings, I check and they seem to be on the defaults...

I'm not to concerned about white text vs. black, but some of us can't see the black text if the border is TOO dark...

As far as upgrading to IE 6, I haven't gotten around to updating my workstation yet...

NOTE: Some parts of this page do show the white/yellow text
Example being the Post a reply page... See attachment.
*shrug*
I wouldn't spend to much time on it, maybe just switch to blue and gray borders?
What colors was the OLD software? I've forgotten...

Bob - you're seeing what I'm seeing from your screen shot. It's a yellow text. I believe Atul and CarolX are seeing Black text where we're seeing a golden or yellow text - which is what the style sheet says we should be seeing.

I just downloaded the newest release of Mozilla and everything works fine and the CSS appears to be rendering correctly

I want to do some more testing - for now everyone seems to be able to see everything so I'll leave it for a bit. Thanks for the ascreen shots folks - they really help me out.

I did notice as I went through the preferences setting the browser up that I can set a 'switch' to over ride a sites link colours and several other aspects of the rendering.

Bob - you're seeing what I'm seeing from your screen shot. It's a yellow text. I believe Atul and CarolX are seeing Black text where we're seeing a golden or yellow text - which is what the style sheet says we should be seeing.

I just downloaded the newest release of Mozilla and everything works fine and the CSS appears to be rendering correctly

I want to do some more testing - for now everyone seems to be able to see everything so I'll leave it for a bit. Thanks for the ascreen shots folks - they really help me out.

I did notice as I went through the preferences setting the browser up that I can set a 'switch' to over ride a sites link colours and several other aspects of the rendering.

Marc
quick note
I see black text on the post reading page
but yellow/white on post writing page
weird

Marc
quick note
I see black text on the post reading page
but yellow/white on post writing page
weird
Marc,

I see the same colors as you and Bob. I tried to look at the two pages. There is a difference in these two pages.

1. Post Reply page:
The heading "Post New Reply" belongs to 'tcat' class (background:606096;color: #FFF788; )
<span style="background:#606096;color:#FFF788;">Like This</span>

2. THIS page:
Heading is written in a 'td' element that has no class and hence font color is black, the default.

For some reason MySQL seems to be going to sleep from time to time. Not sure what's happening yet...

40201 mysql 2 0 30104K 7168K vsleep 0 0:00 0.00% 0.00% mysqld
Well, it has taken a while, but it turns out vsleep puts the entire sql engine on hold as it does disk I/O. So - I'll have to check the mysql prefs file, but there may be nothing I can do. I don't see it very often but I am still seeing it. It seldom appears to last more than a couple of minutes unless I rebuild the database when it puts mysql calls 'on hold' for 5 to 10 minutes or more (I do try to rebuild late at night). From what I now understand is it's a memory / disk speed issue. MySQL can't do anything until disk I/O finishes. The forums database isn't all that big, but then again... There are a lot of different forums and posts.

Ah, more fun!

Marc
quick note
I see black text on the post reading page
but yellow/white on post writing page
weird

Same thing here
CX

Marc,

I see the same colors as you and Bob. I tried to look at the two pages. There is a difference in these two pages.

1. Post Reply page:
The heading "Post New Reply" belongs to 'tcat' class (background:606096;color: #FFF788; )
<span style="background:#606096;color:#FFF788;">Like This</span>

2. THIS page:
Heading is written in a 'td' element that has no class and hence font color is black, the default.
That's one reason I set things aside for a few days. Got busy here, but I did do a single color change and printed out several different 'views. I printed out the main listing and then an individual forum listing. I'll have to do a few more printouts as 'maps.

Hopefully they won't change the 'style' too much for the 'Release'. I'll play with it some more this weekend.

Also, my admincp just keeps freezing...
on index.php?do=home and also on template.php. Just not able to take a look at templates!! :frust: :frust: Everything else (from FAQ to Statistics) except 'Styles & Templates' is working. IE shows this error:

Are you up to IE 6 or is there a reason you're staying with 5?

I can't reproduce the AdminCP problem with IE 6 on my peecee. I can with IE 5.2 on my Mac. Camino, Safari, Mozilla all work fine on my Mac.

Just upgraded to IE6. Everything, including admincp seem to be working fine... Thanx.

OK.

I just got off the phone with Verio. The server has been going downhill averaging 0.5% idle for the last couple of days with the 'system' taking 70% of the resources on average. It took almost 6 hours to rebuild similar threads this morning - it was taking about 40 minutes on this server before. I've been seeing jerky data output and ftp transfer speeds dropped from about 90 to 100 KB/s to about 9 KB/s.

They 'fixed' whatever it was. Now to see how long it will last...

I'll play with the colors some more but I'll have to look closer at the output as you've been doing, Atul, to see what's getting cascaded. I do want to get away from purple this weekend, but I can only go so far as they have been continually warning that the main 'style' is going to significantly change when they release the 'official' version. Of course, that could be December knowing how software promises go. They're calling for 1 more beta release before the 'official' release.

Hey Atul. I was just looking at 'Body' vs. 'Page Background' in the styles. Can you tell me what the difference is? I'm missing something here.

I'm not against reading, but I've been going through stuff like this http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/Style.html and can't see the distinction.

Just fishing and playing right now.

Right.... Let's try the new software gizmos out here....

Testing, testing, ... Hellooooo?

Link test: My site (http://cog.has.it)

Ok, I think I'm getting the idea.... But the colour choice is trial and error. I can't see the colours in the menu... :confused:

/Claes
Testing, testing, ... Hellooooo?

Yup - Does work, doesn't it! Surprise!

LOL, I just noticed what happens when you mouse over the new Karma ratings...
Ummmm....

These are the 'stock' settings. If you have any suggestions, do let me know!<hr>

I assume you're still testing the color features but this is what I'm (not) seeing today as of 12:20 central time 07/22/03.

First post text within dark border is BLACK. *shrug*
How does it look to you now?

Hey Marc,

What's with this Comic Sans everywhere?

I really do like the semi-script font. And I like how it sets off different parts of tables.

Anyway.... Go to http://elsmar.com/Forums/profile.php?do=editoptions

At the very bottom you will see:

Style Set:
You may pick a style set to browse with that may or may not override the default settings.

Set it to Style Set: Ariel English Style

Do the SAVE routine. You' should have your Ariel fonts back. Let me know if it fails.

Hey Atul. I was just looking at 'Body' vs. 'Page Background' in the styles. Can you tell me what the difference is? I'm missing something here.

Any CSS attributes 'Body' tag will apply to the 'entire' visible contents of the html page.

Page Background: I see that they have a separate class called 'page' defined in the CSS. The table that contains the actual forums part (content table) is given this class. The 'Page Background' applies to this table. This table starts just after your 8-D (file:///C:/8D_Guide_Sample/8-D_Guide_Web.htm) | APQP (file:///C:/APQP_Guide_Sample/APQP_Guide_Web.htm) | Audit (file:///C:/Audit_Guide_Sample/Audit_Guide_Web.htm) | FMEA (file:///C:/FMEA_Guide_Sample/FMEA_Guide_Web.htm) | QMS Implementation (file:///C:/Imp_Guide_Sample/Implementation_Web.htm) links and ends just before your < Contact Us (Marc.Smith@SpamCop.net) - The Elsmar Cove Home Page (http://elsmar.com/) - Admin (file:///C:/WINDOWS/Desktop/admincp/) - Archive (file:///C:/WINDOWS/Desktop/archive/index.php/) > links. Everything in between belongs to the 'Forums'. The part of the HTML file before and after this table does not actually come from forums database, but it is there because you have added that to the templates as 'static' part of every page.

Right now background color for both, body and page are defined as #FFFFFF, ie white. To find the difference, just change the 'Page Background' color to something else. ( or see attached htm file, where I have changed it to yellow. I had to zip the file, no htm attachments accepted. )

Hope I have been able to explain this propely.

-Atul.

Yup - The header and footer are static. Then we get into nested tables.

I read back through the thread and folks were saying they could not easily see the text in thread titles. In post 45 in this thread Bob posted a screen shot and it was black text on a somewhat dark purple background. Hard to read.

This is how it looks to me now in Mozilla. I fired up IE on the PC and it looks the same as it does in Mozilla on my Mac.

Is anything 'contrasting out' so that it's almost or totally unreadable in your browser now?

Hi Marc,

Back from a vacation trip. This looks nice.... possibly with the exception of green and blue borders next to each other. Some people may have problems with that due to colour blindness? Otherwise: Nice...

/Claes

Is anything 'contrasting out' so that it's almost or totally unreadable in your browser now?

This is how I see it now. IE6.
I can see the titles properly on the 'Reply page' though !!

- Atul.
Welcome back, Claes. Hope you enjoyed 'the chair' !:bigwave:

How does it look now?

I set up a 'style' with your name. Play with it - just don't change any template text. See what you can come up with where you don't have the contrast problem.

How does it look now?I've been watching this for some time now. Yes, FFFFCC is much less 'busy' color than FFFF99 !! I still can't see the title.
I set up a 'style' with your name. Play with it - just don't change any template text. See what you can come up with where you don't have the contrast problem.
OK. I'll give it a try later tonight.

I'm not sure what the deal is but on my peecee it (the title bar with the stars and such that you attached to your last post) shows up just like on my Mac and it's yellow and white text on a dark blue background with red mouse-over link text.

I'm wondering if you have an override set somewhere in IE's Internet Options or something.

No overrides set. I installed IE6 and have been logged on to the forums ever since. Anyway, I'll play with 'My' style and see what I can come up with....

Thank's Atul, It's nice to be back, though I didn't see a lot of that chair - I had a very active vacation...

Anyway: I like that soft yellow background in the post title row. Perhaps a lighter touch to the current dark blue border as well?

/Claes

Anyway: I like that soft yellow background in the post title row. Perhaps a lighter touch to the current dark blue border as well?

/Claes
I made it just a bit lighter... can you notice the difference? I left the 'post-separator' dark.

Just playing with the templates right now to find out what's what..

I made it just a bit lighter... can you notice the difference? I left the 'post-separator' dark.


Hmmmmm... Nope... :vfunny: Anyway, it looks pretty good right now. What I'm uggesting is merely fine tuning.

/Claes

Let me try again..... Howz it now?

Claes,

You changed to Atul's style in your User Options, right?

As you two go through this, remember that you reach a point where 'fine tuning' becomes 'tuning' to your monitor and computer. My portable's screen shows somewhat differently than my CRT.

I now see a very pale pinkish background to the table headers and the table footers are gray with white letters. These attachments are shots from Atul's style (table footer - links).

I'm not complaining but I'll provide today's screen shots from IE 5.5 anyways. I think the color problem is IE 5.5's fault. At the moment I'm stuck with 5.5.

No worries... We know its still a beta :p

I'll have to see about a style for 5.5. Thanks for the screen shots.

I lightened up the colors. Did it help any?

I'll have to see about a style for 5.5. Thanks for the screen shots.
I lightened up the colors. Did it help any?
Yes ANY medium darkness color should allow the black text to be visible.

(Its weird how some pages or parts of pages show white/yellow and others show black in IE 5.5 *shrug*)

Go to your User Control Panel > Options and choose Atul's 'Style'. It's down by the bottom of the page on the right hand side.You do this quickly by going to http://elsmar.com/Forums/usercp.php

Atul - Are you still working on your style or what's the scoop? Make it however you want it colour-wise. It may end up being a good option for some folks!

So far as I have the main style now, I sorta like the blue - as I guess is evident...

Yup, I'm still working on it. and in fact I had a few questions for you.
1. Can we have different format for custom BB codes for each style?
2. Do you have any pictures for those 5 little arrows on the top right?

If there's anyone using 'my' style, please provide some feedback......

Right now the 5 little buttons all have the same gif. Some folks have made them into text links. The vB people say this will be addressed in the final release, but in a recent thread they're talking about getting as much of the new style and such in for Beta 5 so "there won't be a need for a Beta 6 release". I haven't done anything yet but a text link would be OK. If you want to do that, you can customize templates in your 'style' I believe, without affecting the parent (English) style.

The answer to 1. - I don't know. I haven't played with custom BB codes except to shrink the text size in quotes so they don't take up so much space in a post.

I would assume they are universal because I don't see any link to styles anywhere. Maybe in Languages and Phrases but when I was there I didn't notice any links. But then I wasn't looking for that, so... This is so complex compared to the last version of vBulletin I'm still finding my way around.

What were you thinking of putting in?

Go to your User Control Panel > Options and choose Atul's 'Style'. It's down by the bottom of the page on the right hand side.You do this quickly by going to http://elsmar.com/Forums/usercp.php


So far as I have the main style now, I sorta like the blue - as I guess is evident...
Marc,
I am now using Atul's style, and this is much easier for me to use (IE5.5). The other colors were coming through WAY too bright and very hard on the eyes.

Don't get me wrong, blue is definitely my color (house painted blue, blue furniture, blue car....amazing how many shades of blue there are).

My husbands favorite color is blue.....but I won't tell you why....just let me say I have a great marriage!!! LOL

Carol

Marc,
I am now using Atul's style, and this is much easier for me to use (IE5.5). The other colors were coming through WAY too bright and very hard on the eyes.

Don't get me wrong, blue is definitely my color (house painted blue, blue furniture, blue car....amazing how many shades of blue there are).

My husbands favorite color is blue.....but I won't tell you why....just let me say I have a great marriage!!! LOL

Carol

No Offense Marc but I agree.

In 5.5 the yellow/white is working and Atul turned back on the grey/white posts. At least he stayed with blue :) Although the script font is a nice break from "NORMAL" computer screen fonts.

I'm also a blue fan. I tried messing with my windows XP themes at home and ended up back with the basic luna blue :p

The answer to 1. - I don't know. I haven't played with custom BB codes except to shrink the text size in quotes so they don't take up so much space in a post.

What were you thinking of putting in?

Nothing special.. just wanted to try a different font, background and border.


Right now the 5 little buttons all have the same gif...

I found this on another board running vBulletin.So I thought may be vBulletin folks may have provided some gif gallery..

It's not an issue of offense. It's a matter of trying to make something work in all browsers. That's why I 'gave' Atul a style to 'play with'. I can't easily address the issue if I can't reproduce it. None of the 5 browsers I have show things up like the screen shots you folks are posting where there is black text on blue. According to the style sheet manager you shouldn't be seeing black text there.

Actually I'm not happy as is because I wanted the dark blue - this is too 'bright' for my taste. But for right now I'm sitting back still trying to figure out some other stuff. I'll get back to the style soon.

I would like feedback from atul if he can get white or light yellow text to show up instead of black.

Atul - in your browser have you gotten the yellow font to show on your browser like Bob's shows (header)?

Nothing special.. just wanted to try a different font, background and border.

I found this on another board running vBulletin.So I thought may be vBulletin folks may have provided some gif gallery..
Where was the board at? I'd like to see it.

I can say that it's a manual edit because as is it's the same gif file. Shouldn't be too hard to do.

I see Yellow Text and White Links on blue - on all pages.

The forum I mentioned is :http://www.visualbasicforum.com/

It's not an issue of offense. It's a matter of trying to make something work in all browsers. That's why I 'gave' Atul a style to 'play with'. I can't easily address the issue if I can't reproduce it. None of the 5 browsers I have show things up like the screen shots you folks are posting where there is black text on blue. According to the style sheet manager you shouldn't be seeing black text there.

Actually I'm not happy as is because I wanted the dark blue - this is too 'bright' for my taste. But for right now I'm sitting back still trying to figure out some other stuff. I'll get back to the style soon.

I would like feedback from atul if he can get white or light yellow text to show up instead of black.

Atul - in your browser have you gotten the yellow font to show on your browser like Bob's shows (header)?

Marc try copy and pasting Atul's style to a "Marc" style then make it dark blue...
BECAUSE the white/yellow text IS working on the medium blue!!! :eek:
Take another look at my most recent screen shots from today.
Atul seems to have modified something minor in just the right way... Or so it seems so far!

Then you're working on the footer or what?

There is some black text in the header: eg. the [5] on this page.

There is some black text in the header: eg. the [5] on this page.
I missed that.
Also the foot is grey with black text *shrug*
We're getting closer.
Of course you and Marc will probably have wasted your time with a future release style (except for the learning experience).

The footers are not right in this style..yet.
I also changed the font to 'Trebuchet MS'. Does it look ok?

Looks fine.

It's not a waste per se. We're learning how it all comes together.

Just switched to Atul's style. Not too bad. The font seems to be crisper and the colors a bit more subdued. Will keep it for a while. Thanks for your work! :agree:

Now you have buttons! Something borrowed, something blue... Or was that Something new?

Now you have buttons! Something borrowed, something blue... Or was that Something new?

Cool. Now how hard was that to put into the beta?

Hmmmm

Marc - You will NEVER know how different the forums site looks simply by changing computers & operating systems......

I realize you have made recent changes - but I'm now viewing in Our new XP 2000 and the difference between that and Win- 98 is remarkable :bigwave:

I'm in WinXP right now (I'm Marc in a test account). Looks the same to me as with my Mac.

I'll have to check out Win98 and how it looks on that.

What differences do you notice? Good or bad?

I'm in Win98 now. It mostly looks the same here. Scroll bars are somewhat different and such. I know this is IE 6 on Win98SE. Didn't look to see what verison of Explorer on WinXP.

Marc,
Did you change the 'Post new Reply' template?

Nope. I changed the navbar template for the buttons. I looked at the post new reply templates in all styles and they're 'stock originals'.

Strange! I don't remember the [+] button that says 'Show/Hide HTML Source Code' when you type in a reply.

Screen shot? Preferably jpg or pnt

Screen shot? Preferably jpg or pnt
Here are some screenshots. There is a [+] link on the right top corner. On mouseover it says 'Show / Hide HTML Source Code'. On click it turns into [-] and a separate pane is created at the bottom, showing HTML code of the message being typed.

I just noticed it on my peecece browser, but it doesn't show in any of my Mac browsers. Interesting.

Also the font color dropdown is different. You can't include the 'Link Text' if you insert a url.

In your Options, do you have 'WYSIWYG' set?

"You can't include the 'Link Text' if you insert a url." You lost me there...

So much for 'Standards' in the browser world...

In your Options, do you have 'WYSIWYG' set?

"You can't include the 'Link Text' if you insert a url." You lost me there...Yes, I have WYSIWYG set.

Link Text is the underlined text of the hyperlink:eg. "Click Here", as in
< A href="SomeLocation" >Click Here< /a >

would show up as Click Here (http://somelocation/)
Now it cannot be done. I can insert the URL and it shows up full: eg. http://someLocation (http://somelocation/)

Something I just noticed. Source:<!--
/* vBulletin 3 CSS For Style 'English Style' (styleid: 3) */
body
in the header. That style was part of the install. English says it's an independent style. But if so - what's this about? Any ideas?

I think that's OK. It's just a comment at the beginning of CSS definition. In my style it says:

/* vBulletin 3 CSS For Style 'Atul's Style' (styleid: 7) */

Link Text is the underlined text of the hyperlink
OK - You mean you click the little icon and it won't give you the 2 requestors (1. Link Text, 2. Link URL?

Test follows: Link Text to Home (http://Elsmar.com)

Hmmmm. Works for me. More browser / OS differences I guess.

OK - You mean you click the little icon and it won't give you the 2 requestors (1. Link Text, 2. Link URL?

Test follows: Link Text to Home (http://Elsmar.com)

Hmmmm. Works for me. More browser / OS differences I guess.

When I click 'Insert Hyperlink' this is what I get:No way of entering link text. :frust::frust:

Marc,
What exactly is new in Beta 5?

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79163

<b>vBulletin 3.0.0 Beta 5</b>

We are now proud to release vBulletin 3.0.0 Beta 5 to our customers. This release is predominantly an exercise in bug-fixing, although there has been some major work on the language system.

<b>Language System</b>

A lot of work has been put into re-phrasing a lot of the control panel text, following reports of problems relating to gender and plurality in non-english languages. As a result many phrases that existed in Beta 4 no longer exist, and many new phrases have been created.

We now encourage those people who intend to translate their boards into non-english languages to attempt to translate the control panel text, as available in the admin control panel language manager, and to report back if they experience any problems that we should look into.

<b>Bug Fix Examples</b>

There have been over 150 bugs fixed for this release, here are a few examples:</p><ul><li>CSS color picker now shows colors properly in Safari / Konqueror browsers</li><li>CSS color picker HTML table overflow problem in Mozilla / Opera fixed</li><li>Inability to edit Forum Jump Depth 0 items fixed (you can now also edit depth 4 items) [<a href="http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs.php?do=view&amp;bugid=108" target="_blank"><font color="#22229c">view</font></a>]</li><li>Unreadable button labels when using system color scheme of white text on black background resolved [<a href="http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs.php?do=view&amp;bugid=366" target="_blank"><font color="#22229c">view</font></a>]</li><li>Bad colors for moderator color key and access mask color key re-done for better legibility</li><li>String length problems when using unicode characters resolved [<a href="http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs.php?do=view&amp;bugid=361" target="_blank"><font color="#22229c">view</font></a>]</li><li>Javascript error resulting in 100% CPU usage when posting resolved [<a href="http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs.php?do=view&amp;bugid=118" target="_blank"><font color="#22229c">view</font></a>]</li><li>Useragent update for WOL fixed [<a href="http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs.php?do=view&amp;bugid=80" target="_blank"><font color="#22229c">view</font></a>]</li><li>Admin Control Panel javascript timeout issues remedied</li><li>Many bug fxes related to unicode text, such as string length being incorrectly reported for unicode characters [<a href="http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs.php?do=view&amp;bugid=347" target="_blank"><font color="#22229c">view</font></a> | <a href="http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs.php?do=view&amp;bugid=361" target="_blank"><font color="#22229c">view</font></a>]</li></ul>Many more bugs have been fixed, for a more complete list, see <a href="http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs.php?status=20" target="_blank"><font color="#22229c">this list</font></a>.

<b>New Features</b><ul><li>User activation emails and lost password emails will not use the mailqueue, resulting in instant delivery</li><li>Ability to disable the mailqueue system completely (useful for boards with small amounts of traffic)</li><li>New
COPPA system which requires date of birth to be entered and the
appropriate page shown, this will cut down on under 13 registrations
into a non COPPA group.</li><li>vCard download (must be enabled in users' control panels) to allow the user profile to be placed into the address book</li><li>Improved unicode support regarding strings</li></ul><b>Tarball Download Available</b>

To discuss this release, please go <a href="http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79162">Here</a>.

Marc,
What exactly is new in Beta 5?And in Beta 6?

/Claes

Testing:

1234567 http://home4.swipnet.se/%7Ew-41395/sveflat.jpg

See http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82116

Anyone notice any glitches?

Anyone notice any glitches?
None so far..

When I click 'Insert Hyperlink' this is what I get:No way of entering link text. Is this working now?

Is this working now?
Sorry, I didn't update you on this before...

The problem was not with the beta 5. I changed my options from 'Show Enhanced (WYSIWYG) toolbar' to 'Show Standard Toolbar'.That did the trick.

I see the WYSIWYG bar changed appearance slightly...

No Glitches yet. Except the forum link above did not detail the beta 6 changes just talked about how to install them *shrug*

Is that "wrap quote" button new?

Testing Quoting Button.Cool!

Did we loose some standard smilies in posting? :mad:

You make Metal Bob angry... You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. I turn blue, shink down to a few inches tall, and start to sing "LA LA LA LA". (Oh look there's Smurfette now ;))</FONT>

Anyone notice any glitches?

Should I say it? (...Looking over my shoulder to see if murphy is around...)

Ok, I'll say it: Not a single one as of yet.... :D

/Claes

Is hasnt cured my speed problems at my home PC.

So far, no glitches here....

Martin....may I suggest a larger hammer....LOL

CarolX

My next step is to change my ISP - as I note that I do have the same problem on other web sites.

Minor Glitch?
This is probably just a "cookie" thing, but I don't remeber it doing this before.
I typically enter the site thru a shortcut on my desktop that links directly to: http://elsmar.com/Forums/search.php?do=getnew then I hit the DOWN arrow to reach the first new message since last visit (per thread). After reading I typically will hit the back button. Normally the down arrow disappears after hitting back button. This morning they only disappeared after hitting the "since last visit" button.
No big deal, just something it did not do before (that I noticed).

I see the WYSIWYG bar changed appearance slightly...

No Glitches yet. Except the forum link above did not detail the beta 6 changes just talked about how to install them *shrug* They weren't as specific as they have been in the past.
Did we loose some standard smilies in posting? images/smilies/mad.gif I thnk 15 'smilies' are in the dropdown but there should be a 'Show All' or somethng (I have to look). None of the 'smilies' should have gone away, though.
You make Metal Bob angry... You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. I turn blue, shink down to a few inches tall, and start to sing "LA LA LA LA". (Oh look there's Smurfette now images/smilies/wink.gif) That puts you in the same category as so many others that it's not an issue ;)

Minor Glitch?
This is probably just a "cookie" thing, but I don't remeber it doing this before.
I typically enter the site thru a shortcut on my desktop that links directly to: http://elsmar.com/Forums/search.php?do=getnew then I hit the DOWN arrow to reach the first new message since last visit (per thread). After reading I typically will hit the back button. Normally the down arrow disappears after hitting back button. This morning they only disappeared after hitting the "since last visit" button.
No big deal, just something it did not do before (that I noticed). They made a lot of changes, but I'm not sure about this.

This is off the topic of this post, but since I'm writing... I do know that there is now a 'significant' difference when you set your options to use the WYSIWYG editing / posting option in your user options.

I checked and there is a new 'preference. All 'smilies' should now be in the dropdown if you are using the WYSIWYG setting.

Yup they all seem to be there!

Still get this message if use to many smilies. But its not a big deal.


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Ouch...I just noticed that our age comes up under our description.....time to start lying...LOL



:eek:

CX

NAH! Just keep the avitar!
I guess I really am a youngin' around here. NO offense to anyone!!
(OFF TOPIC: I can't image the "quality" field in 30 years... :ko:)

Ouch...I just noticed that our age comes up under our description.....time to start lying...LOL

!:eek:

CXToo late, my dear... :biglaugh: . Hmmmm. Did you notice any similarity between our "life span counters"? Besides what's wrong with being 43? I still feel like a kid impersonating an adult... and my missus tells me in no uncertain terms that I am...

/Claes

Too late, my dear... :biglaugh: . Hmmmm. Did you notice any similarity between our "life span counters"? Besides what's wrong with being 43? I still feel like a kid impersonating an adult... and my missus tells me in no uncertain terms that I am...

/Claes

:biglaugh:
HAHAHAHA....I'm younger than you are...HAHAHAHA...LOL!!!!

The best years of my life have been those since turning 40. Why....people think you are "responsible" adult....LOL...I know better!!!

Just wanted to stir the pot a bit on the age thingy!!!

CX

And howste remains mysteriously ageless... :eek:

Anyone want to take a guess?

well...I would guess your right around the same mark.

Lower...

Lower...Pre-mature receeding (no offense)... I guess 35.
(I had a step-uncle nearly bald by 18. High school must have really sucked, but I bet he was able to buy beer and cigerettes!)

I guess I should have said that the picture in my avatar was taken probably 5 years ago. My hair started to go in my early twenties. Yeah, it sucks, but I still don't buy beer and cigarettes. :vfunny:

Oh, and I'm 38 for another month or so.

Is hasnt cured my speed problems at my home PC. My first question is are you on broadband or a dialup? Next come computer questions....

Marc,
Is it possible to place an extra copy of the "button" bar after the last post on a page?
Specifically the 5 buttons: Buddy, Since Last, etc...
Just suggesting out of laziness, but curious anyways...

It's possible. But for now I'm going to leave it. They supposedly are switching to a new 'style' including these buttons so before I go too far in I want to wait for their 'GM' release.

The last update broke several things - such as the calendar events listing on the first page which I fixed last night. They change some variable names and it screws up anything I have changed which uses that variable.

Since the Gamma release is up and running, this thread is now closed to new posts.