User Reputations is a new feature of the forums software. It is based upon a post system. I've attached 3 pictures to show the buttons (first one shows where, at the bottom of each post, the button to 'Complement' someone for a post is and the 'reputation' (So far as I can see it'll be green or red) is displayed, where you can see who 'Applauded' you and who was 'less than kind' (Your UserCP = User Control Panel) as well as the current settings.

Just some thoughts. It would really be nice if folks used the feature from time to time. Maybe in 6 months or a year we can look back and see who has the most points and come up with some kind of recognition.

Also see Poster of the year award (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=5712)

12 July 2003: Added a 4th picture. It's the 'reputation settings'.

Oh, I'm using it... We have lots of people deserving recognition.

Just one thing: The attachments? I can't find them? I tried both Explorer and Opera browsers...

/Claes

Oh, I'm using it... We have lots of people deserving recognition.

Just one thing: The attachments? I can't find them? I tried both Explorer and Opera browsers...

/Claes
You should see 3 thumbnails in my post. Click on each one at a time.

If you can see them in that thread but you can't see them in this post let me know. I could have a permissions error to fix.

This is odd... All of a sudden I see no attachments at all, anywhere... I just hadn't noticed. Strange...

/Claes

I would like folks to take a quick read of this thread:

So how does Karma work, anyway? (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51868)

I think it's a neat idea (Karma = Reputation) but there are drawbacks.

Thus, the addition of the poll.

Note: In part to check this new 'feature', I've set this poll to show who voted and how they voted. I'm sure no one will care here if it shows how you voted on an issue as simple as this.

I think it's OK to have a rating system, but if someone gives a bad rating, there's the potential they may give a bad one back in retaliation.

Anybody who's been around the forums for a while has probably already formed some opinions about other members. I don't think a rating system will change that. It would be nice to give people kudos if they post something really good though...

I voted to dump it just to play around a bit. I noticed that when I viewed the results (without voting), it showed who voted where. When I voted, the results posted, but not who voted how.

As far as the reputation, I noticed I could not add any positive things about myself (once again, just checking). I'm not sure how useful it is. We kinda get the idea from reading posts, and if I'm doing battle with someone else, that too would show up in the posts. Like many here, I really don't care about my reputation (as far as whether anyone "likes" me). I'm more concerned about whether I'm giving "good" information in the threads (except in the fishing, Roadkill and Religion threads-- in those, I'm mostly just spouting off anyway).

I think it's OK to have a rating system, but if someone gives a bad rating, there's the potential they may give a bad one back in retaliation.

Anybody who's been around the forums for a while has probably already formed some opinions about other members. I don't think a rating system will change that. It would be nice to give people kudos if they post something really good though...

This is supposed/designed to filter out those low level, transparent, honest members who have risen to the level of respect granted by those that saw something different than what it is "supposed" to be. Get it? We don't want a repeat of 2002 where some "dual personality" type managed to garner the Lion's share of a silly poll that wasn't intended to turn out that way. So, let's qualify-quantify the reasons for supporting a member that you respect, to justify and legitimize a choice that has been totally unexplainable to some. Know why? You can get dizzy looking down! I love it! :vfunny: :smokin:

Marc,

As I stated in the other thread, I like the idea. I was just using it in another thread and it told me I had to share the Kharma around. I was trying to give it to a person that I had already given it to for another post on a different thread a fw days ago. What gives? :confused:

Greg B

Marc,

As I stated in the other thread, I like the idea.
So far I really like it. Including showing who gave Karma and their comments. I got a couple of 'bad' ones. No big deal, but they are the only 2 which there was no comment. I expect good and bad. I sorta figure if someone wants to cast a negative 'Karma' and doesn't want to be listed, hey - just don't do it. I'd like people to see when they're appreciated and this is, I believe, a way to do it.
I was just using it in another thread and it told me I had to share the Kharma around. I was trying to give it to a person that I had already given it to for another post on a different thread a fw days ago. What gives? :confused:

Greg B
How does it work? Go to the first post in this thread. Click on the third attachment thumbnail. It explodes and shows the settings I see. Take a look through the settings and make suggestions. That's why I posted it. Claes looked at the settings in another thread, but I've changed them a bit - what is posted is what is now set.

Two weird things you are experiencing are the last 2:

Daily Reputation Clicks Limit
How many reputation clicks can a user give over each 24 hour period?

Reputation User Spread
How many different users must you give reputation to before you can hit the same person again?

Just take a look and as I said I'm open to suggestions.

I guess I could allow folks to hide their 'Reputation' but I - well, I'm tempted to keep it forced enabled. If I could enable it to either fully include or exclude for each individual user (if you turn yours off you can't give or receive 'Karma'.

This is odd... All of a sudden I see no attachments at all, anywhere... I just hadn't noticed. Strange...

/Claes
Did this clear up?

This is supposed/designed to filter out those low level, transparent, honest members who have risen to the level of respect granted by those that saw something different than what it is "supposed" to be. Get it? We don't want a repeat of 2002 where some "dual personality" type managed to garner the Lion's share of a silly poll that wasn't intended to turn out that way. So, let's qualify-quantify the reasons for supporting a member that you respect, to justify and legitimize a choice that has been totally unexplainable to some. Know why? You can get dizzy looking down! I love it! :vfunny: :smokin:
I can't see a way to exclude forums on an individual basis like I can turn on and off whether posts in any given forum are included in a users post count. A great idea would be if it was forum by forum. But - we have what we have. The 2 negatives I got were in the Political forum. I'm really more interested in it being used in the 'business end' of the forums. Someone leaves a good answer to a question or something, it's a way to say so.

Yeah - the option of a negative is problematic. I guess that's where a sense of personal responsibility comes in and the "Momma always told me if I don't have somethiing nice to say, don't say anything..." kicks in. Manners and all that.

Yeah - the option of a negative is problematic. I guess that's where a sense of personal responsibility comes in and the "Momma always told me if I don't have somethiing nice to say, don't say anything..." kicks in. Manners and all that.

I was just trying to get a rise out of you, like you did me when this discussion started. I agree with the substantive (spell?) post. For example, since howste joined the Cove, he has provided many, many attachments and solid advice through his posts. There is no comparison between his contributions and reading about someone falling out of a boat! :ko: Go for it! :smokin:

I have mixed feelings on this.

It is easy enough to know if someone is on the ball (knowledgable in the area of the posts) by simply reading a few of their posts. I would consider that much more valid than just looking at a reputation thingy. So I'm not sure what good purpose it serves.

I also feel much more comfortable giving good marks than bad ones. If I disagree with your interpretation of an ISO clause is that grounds for detracting from your reputation? Maybe I'm wrong. No one here (or very, very few here) are goofs who consistently give bad advice, and if someone was it would become apparent real quick to any newbie.

I played around yesterday and gave a few points to see how it went, but there are many who deserve points who just have not posted recently. I think I got a green with a comment and a red with no comment, both on Q-related issues. I'd prefer to have just had the red-giver just tell me why they disagreed with my post so we could debate it further instead of just saying they did not like it via a red ding.

I also wonder if it is fair to use it in the political forums as this is unrelated to one's prowess or knowledge in technical/Q issues.

Some folks might use it all the time, some never, some just to be nasty, etc. and the votes are not anon. and so the results are probably of very questionable validity anyway.

On the other hand it is nice to be nice and this gives us a quick way to do that, and it might add some interest as a topic all its own.

'Tis up to Marc if he wants to keep it and 'tis up to the users if they want to use it. But if I was voting I'd probably say it is not really necessary, and might stir things up in a bad way, so drop it. But I'm not passionate one way or the other. JMO.

I played around yesterday and gave a few points to see how it went, but there are many who deserve points who just have not posted recently. I think I got a green with a comment and a red with no comment, both on Q-related issues. I'd prefer to have just had the red-giver just tell me why they disagreed with my post so we could debate it further instead of just saying they did not like it via a red ding.


Maybe I'm being stupid (again). Is a green dot "good/agree" and a red dot "bad/disagree" regarding your "reputation"?

I went back and saw the red dot I got, which I thought was "bad/disagree", was given by someone who later posted in response to my post and said "I agree 100%". So I must be screwed-up in my understanding of this thing! :confused:

User Reputations is a new feature of the forums software. It is based upon a post system. I've attached 3 pictures to show the buttons (first one shows where, at the bottom of each post, the button to 'Complement' someone for a post is and the 'reputation' (So far as I can see it'll be green or red) is displayed, where you can see who 'Applauded' you and who was 'less than kind' (Your UserCP = User Control Panel) as well as the current settings.


Can you tell this egghead how to do this? Is it through the vb bulletin page? :frust: :bonk:

I say leave it on for a while. If it is abused/misused in any form, turn it off. It might be fun to see what it comes up with.

I don't know enough about it....Marc, are you able to monitor it for abuse or misuse? And I must agree with Mike, can it be turned off for the Odd and Ends Boards?

Just my $.02 worth (properly adjusted for inflation).

CarolX

energy, if you'll read the first post in the thread it shows where the button is, where it shows, etc.

The link to vBulletin's site was just to give folks an idea of some potential drawbacks.

Maybe I'm being stupid (again). Is a green dot "good/agree" and a red dot "bad/disagree" regarding your "reputation"?

I went back and saw the red dot I got, which I thought was "bad/disagree", was given by someone who later posted in response to my post and said "I agree 100%". So I must be screwed-up in my understanding of this thing! :confused:
Red dot is a negative, green dot is positive number. Did the 'red dot' person put anything in the comment field?

energy, if you'll read the first post in the thread it shows where the button is, where it shows, etc.

The link to vBulletin's site was just to give folks an idea of some potential drawbacks.

So, you can only view your own standing? Like, Mike saw a red dot in response to a post. That only showed up in his user control panel? For example, I have two posts in mine with a point total. Is your point total only available to you? I'm nosy and want to see the whole enchalada. :vfunny: :smokin:

So, you can only view your own standing? Like, Mike saw a red dot in response to a post. That only showed up in his user control panel? For example, I have two posts in mine with a point total. Is your point total only available to you? I'm nosy and want to see the whole enchalada. :vfunny: :smokin:

I agree. It would be nice to see other peoples point totals. Even though I pretty much everyone here, it might be be nice for a new person to see if someone has a green dot because of one good response or because of multiple good responses. Plus I'm nosy as well :p

I'll be looking closer at the details. I know I can enable it so that users can hide their reputations. I haven't seen a way to show each other their numbers.

Keep the questions coming and as I look at more of the details over the next day or 2 I'll try to respond.

I will say this - Right now there are 12 votes in this thread. I'm sure most members really aren't interested. And I hope no one uses this for 'bad'. I can't see who posts what about anyone but me. It's like passwords - I can't see what anyone's password is. I can reset a password, but not see anyone's current password.

We're supposed to be big kids. Let's use this wisely.

Red dot is a negative, green dot is positive number. Did the 'red dot' person put anything in the comment field?
No - no comment. Take a look at the post/red dot in question if you have a minute sometime. ;)

No - no comment. Take a look at the post/red dot in question if you have a minute sometime. ;)
This is proving to be interesting. Can you give me a link to the post you're talking about? I just noticed I now have - or did in that last post - 2 green dots.

I really wish they had a manual for this script set. I'll look at the Hack site and see if I can find any info there - this is an OverGrow Hack that was integrated into this vB release because of the requests by people running forums.

This is proving to be interesting. Can you give me a link to the post you're talking about? I just noticed I now have - or did in that last post - 2 green dots.

I really wish they had a manual for this script set. I'll look at the Hack site and see if I can find any info there - this is an OverGrow Hack that was integrated into this vB release because of the requests by people running forums.

I gave you a point as practice, trying to figure out how it goes. Besides, I thought you could use some good numbers! :vfunny: :agree:

I tend to agree with Carol. Let's see how it goes.

I haven't "played" with the feature yet, but I soon will (so let me get the apologies out of the way to everyone now :vfunny: ).

Bill

This is proving to be interesting. Can you give me a link to the post you're talking about? I just noticed I now have - or did in that last post - 2 green dots.

I really wish they had a manual for this script set. I'll look at the Hack site and see if I can find any info there - this is an OverGrow Hack that was integrated into this vB release because of the requests by people running forums.
Try this link Can flowcharts replace text based Procedures? (http://Elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?p=49839#post49839)

That was beside the red dot as the referenced post. Some guy named Marc gave me the red (bad) dot! :vfunny:

Have a good weekend all...

I went to that post and I see a green dot. But I remember it now. It was when I first tried the thing out, I think. At the time I was thinking I was agreeing with you. Did I put in a comment?

I don't know if I can change that or not. Sorry.

I do agree flow charts are only 1 tool of many.

Hi, all

I waited a few days to vote because I wanted to see it work. It is a neat feature, but I think Marc and the moderators should be able to "pull the plug" on it if things were to ever get out of hand.

Overall, I like the new software, but what I REALLY like is the new speed. I don't know about the rest of you, but the difference from where I sit is a pretty good jump from what we had before. I guess that must be from the new server?

Also, is it just me, or do we have a lot more guests than before? I have noticed some notation about Google and Inkami (mangled spelling). Are surfers now able to jump directly on here?

Anyhow, Marc, great work.

Craig

Did this clear up?

Ouch.... Not a bit of it... On the contrary, it got worse. In Opera I have an empty space above the scrolling news text. Moving the mouse there gives me a link pointer and the link description, but no pictures. I can get around with some difficulty, because I know what should be there. Any points for blind surfing?

In explorer I don't even have the space above the scroll.... :frust:

I have gone berserk in the browser settings, but found nothing obviously wrong, and I had all of the above before the latest server change.
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Anyway: about the scoring system: I se no problems with it. Besides, I have no intention of ever giving anyone any red dots, which effectively resolves any questions in that area ...



/Claes

Hey Claes,

I've seen several of these:

Database error in vBulletin 3.0.0 Beta 4:
Invalid SQL: SELECT userid FROM usergroupleader WHERE userid =
mysql error: You have an error in your SQL syntax near '' at line 1
mysql error number: 1064
Date: Friday 11th of July 2003 11:38:43 PM
Script: http :// elsmar.com /Forums/modcp /index.php? do=nav
Referer:
Username: Claes Gefvenberg

When I try http ://elsmar.com /Forums/modcp /index.php it works fine but with the do=nav I get the frame on the left but no center screen.

I can't understand why you can't see the thumbnails. Thumbnails ARE rendered as .pnt files.

Since the move has completed, have you gone back and physically removed related cookies and erased your cache files?

Is anyone else having this problem?

Claes, what OS are you using?

Claes,

Never mind. Found the database error problem fix at:

Resolved Bugs - Super mod control panel problem with beta4 (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75892)

I'll fix it later today.

No - no comment. Take a look at the post/red dot in question if you have a minute sometime. ;)

Is the grey dot, "Middle of the road"? :bigwave: :smokin:

I'm still investigating how this all fits together. I noticed the gray dot as well but haven't found anything which says what it is.

I added a picture of the reputation 'settings key'.

I'll fix it later today.
Finally... Everything seems to be back to normal. I also did a bit of reinstalling and cookie killing over here. Anyway, it all works like a charm now. Looks like I'm back in business again.

Now do you see why the IT folks want me as a beta tester all the time?
Anything they come up with, I seem to be able to break by just looking at it sideways. :vfunny: .

Btw: I use a dual setup: Win 98 and Win XP in the same machine.

/Claes

Is the grey dot, "Middle of the road"? :bigwave: :smokin:

Energy,

Surely the grey spot you have is for the high respect that an elder (grey) statesman like yourself has aspired to. :ko:

Greg B

Two weird things you are experiencing are the last 2:

Daily Reputation Clicks Limit
How many reputation clicks can a user give over each 24 hour period?

Reputation User Spread
How many different users must you give reputation to before you can hit the same person again?

Just take a look and as I said I'm open to suggestions.

I guess I could allow folks to hide their 'Reputation' but I - well, I'm tempted to keep it forced enabled. If I could enable it to either fully include or exclude for each individual user (if you turn yours off you can't give or receive 'Karma'.

Marc,

My suggestion is that we reduce the Reputation user spread from 10 to at least 5. As it stands, I have to spread it around for ten users before I can vote on thier submissions again. This isn't too bad and probably stops the buddies loading each other up .... but... if a person sits down for a session at the cove and posts on a lot of threads with concise, well thought out responses then I might want to vote on two or three of their posts rather than just one. Currently, it looks like I am voting for the person more than the material. I would rather vote on their current input to the cove than the person that posted.
I'd like to think that we vote for posts that are Concise, Accurate, Insightful, Thought provoking, Stimulating, Cheerful etc rather than..Oh I have to vote for 9 other people before I can come back and give this guy/girl another reputatiion assist.Is this clear? I hope so. JMHO. :)

Greg B

Marc,
My suggestion is that we reduce the Reputation user spread from 10 to at least 5. As it stands, I have to spread it around for ten users before I can vote on thier submissions again. This isn't too bad and probably stops the buddies loading each other up .... but... if a person sits down for a session at the cove and posts on a lot of threads with concise, well thought out responses then I might want to vote on two or three of their posts rather than just one. Currently, it looks like I am voting for the person more than the material. I would rather vote on their current input to the cove than the person that posted.
I'd like to think that we vote for posts that are Concise, Accurate, Insightful, Thought provoking, Stimulating, Cheerful etc rather than..Oh I have to vote for 9 other people before I can come back and give this guy/girl another reputatiion assist.Is this clear? I hope so. JMHO.
Greg B

Greg, Nothing personal...I had to follow somebody.

When the idea was presented in the form of a Poll by a young man from across the Atlantic to see who was the “2002” poster of the Year, I really believe it was anticipated that members more intellectually attuned to the Quality Profession would walk away with the Lion’s share of the votes cast. 2002 was a contentious time with severe bickering back and forth between “us” here and “them” over there. Ready to pick up the cudgel and defend the common man against the egotistical egg heads preaching from on high, I went into battle using several methods to get my point across. Some, I admit, designed solely to ridicule the tag team opponents. To me, it was justified because it was a battle of wits and who’s to say what wits are. For some reason, one even the Administrator of these forums ever really understood (I think) nor me, “energy” started to gain in the meager vote numbers. As the number of votes were accumulating in that unexpected direction, much was made of the contributions of others and names mentioned to remind the members who really deserved the votes. Personally, I voted for “Others”, because there were members not even listed that I thought should have my vote. But, the poll wasn’t mine and I didn’t select the candidates. The poll continues today. Every once in awhile, someone else votes. The numbers remain proportionately stable.

So, we now have a system that allows members the option of giving red and green dots to other members. Thanks db. That “test” red dot made me lock myself in my room with the door locked and the shades drawn, all weekend.

This use of the feature has been encouraged to, more or less, produce a clear cut Champion of Posts with the smarts, credentials and whatever other respectful quality we may be looking for. This is, of course, to justify bestowing the Elsmar Post Scepter on the deserving member in some future determination by Management.

There have been posts indicating concerns of abuse by members who may have an electronic axe to grind against other members, warnings from the Administrator to act like big kids and not to use the feature vindictively (paraphrase). All kinds of questions as to how it works. Me, too!

For those of you concerned how you look here in the Cove, don’t fret. Look around you. The news worthy events of 2003, the deaths and births of family members, your employment situation and support of your families, all your personal triumphs and tragedies are the events that should really mean something to you. Your performance in dealing with these situations, is the true measure of what you are. Not colored dots.

As Marc has alluded to, have fun with the rating feature. Don’t get all lathered up because of some rating scheme. Don’t be afraid to post because somebody may “dot” you purple. Most important of all: stay true to yourself, no matter what. Like the impromptu Poll results for 2003, so what? Who cares? In other words, “Dot This”.

One more suggestion, especially for the “newbees”, use the Private message or e-mail features to contact those members that you would like to. While it is just an “electronic” relationship, they are very enjoyable. My regular contacts you can count on one hand, but they mean more to me than any amount of colored dots they have. In fact, a few of these contacts would probably accumulate more red dots than green. Means absolutely nothing. Okay, time to come out of my room. :vfunny:

I went to that post and I see a green dot. But I remember it now. It was when I first tried the thing out, I think. At the time I was thinking I was agreeing with you. Did I put in a comment?

I don't know if I can change that or not. Sorry.

I do agree flow charts are only 1 tool of many.
No -- you left no comment. And after I went back to look closer at the "why" I got a red dot, I saw it was on a post you later agreed with me on, so I was confused.

No matter. Ain't no big thing. :agree: If I get a red dot it mainly means to me that either a personal/political opinion is challenged -- which I would expect from time to time, or that someone disagrees strongly with an answer/opinion I gave on a technical/quality related question, which would give me pause and make me ask myself if I should reconsider my answer because I don't want to go around all my life making the same mistake (if it was wrong). I won't go running to Mommy, counselling, or the bottle as a result of a red dot. As Energy said very well, don't take it too seriously, there are MANY things more important. If I could have, I'd gave him a green dot on that post, but alas I apparently have to spread more dots around before I can congratulate Energy again. Sorry, guy! Hope you don't take it too hard! :vfunny:

Marc,

My suggestion is that we reduce the Reputation user spread from 10 to at least 5. As it stands, I have to spread it around for ten users before I can vote on thier submissions again. This isn't too bad and probably stops the buddies loading each other up .... but... if a person sits down for a session at the cove and posts on a lot of threads with concise, well thought out responses then I might want to vote on two or three of their posts rather than just one. Currently, it looks like I am voting for the person more than the material. I would rather vote on their current input to the cove than the person that posted.
I'd like to think that we vote for posts that are Concise, Accurate, Insightful, Thought provoking, Stimulating, Cheerful etc rather than..Oh I have to vote for 9 other people before I can come back and give this guy/girl another reputatiion assist.Is this clear? I hope so. JMHO. :)

Greg B
I reduced it to 7 - meeting you half way. I do like the idea of people not being able to continually click on one or two people, if you catch my drift. I'd like people to look around at a number of people who are helping with good posts.

I enabled the option for each user to 'Hide' their rating in their user options. I have not found a way to link that to (in my opinion a good idea) not letting someone use the feature at all.

I did change the wording. It now says "I Agree" and "I Disagree" which may help dampen the harshness of the previous "I Approve" and I Disapprove". It changes the meaning a bit and may help.

Not yet sure what the gray boxes thing is yet. I'll try to find out this week.

I agree. It would be nice to see other peoples point totals. Even though I pretty much everyone here, it might be be nice for a new person to see if someone has a green dot because of one good response or because of multiple good responses. Plus I'm nosy as well :p
I am looking into a way to do this.

Is the grey dot, "Middle of the road"? :bigwave: :smokin:
The only hint I have so far (no response on the vB site yet) is that if I drag the Dark Gray dot to my desktop it is labeled 'reputationoff.gif' and if I drag the Light Gray dot to my desktop it is labeled 'reputationbalance.gif'

Thus - there are technically 4 'dots'
Red = Negative
Light Gray = 'Balance' (?)
Green = Positive
Dark Gray = Reputation showing turned off by the user.

The only hint I have so far (no response on the vB site yet) is that if I drag the Dark Gray dot to my desktop it is labeled 'reputationoff.gif' and if I drag the Light Gray dot to my desktop it is labeled 'reputationbalance.gif'

Thus - there are technically 4 'dots'
Red = Negative
Light Gray = 'Balance' (?)
Green = Positive
Dark Gray = Reputation showing turned off by the user.

Where is the feature that shows our own total point count? I see the "green and red dots, the posts and no total. You know, like your attachment in the first post. :frust: :ko:

While the User Reputation feature does not bother me, it does feel like we're back in high school again having a good old fashioned popularity contest. I mean, I personally gain no value out of seeing what others think of another Cove Member. I read a post and from that ascertain if the poster has made comments that merit consideration.

After a while, I begin to recognize some members whose posts are meaningless to me (be it they ramble much but say little) or are too busy slinging mud to get any point across. But occasionally, I find a gem and, to be honest, I would rather not know their reputation for the fear that I would potentially skip over their words all because a few people disagreed with them previously...as I used to say in school, "Peer pressure...it's an awesome force."

However, that being said, I do appreciate that the User Reputation is located at the bottom of the post so that the odds of me seeing a fellow member's rating is slim and it is so innocuous in size that I didn't even see it at first.

So, I'm an "Other" voter. I see no benefit to it, but see no harm to it either (except for those who take being popular very, very seriously).

Where is the feature that shows our own total point count? I see the "green and red dots, the posts and no total. You know, like your attachment in the first post. :frust: :ko:
Go to your user control panel (UseCP) to see your point count.

See Reputation? "Point of reputation-altering power"? (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=495570) for some info on 'Reputation Altering Power' or 'Influence'. Personally, I still don't fully grok (understand) it...

Go to your user control panel (UseCP) to see your point count.

Yes, I was focused on the line items and comments. Boy, the example you posted shows that I'm 20% of you. That's about right!! :vfunny: :smokin:

I mean, I personally gain no value out of seeing what others think of another Cove Member. I read a post and from that ascertain if the poster has made comments that merit consideration.
So, I'm an "Other" voter. I see no benefit to it, but see no harm to it either (except for those who take being popular very, very seriously).

RC
I'm sure that most of the members think just like you. I know that I do. But, I couldn't help noticing that you are in the "green". Do you think it's because we know your gender? :vfunny: Or the contents of your posts? ;) Somebody has to be real unpopular to have a red dot under their post totals. I haven't seen that yet. I guess its when the reds outnumber the greens.

RC
I'm sure that most of the members think just like you. I know that I do. But, I couldn't help noticing that you are in the "green". Do you think it's because we know your gender? :vfunny: Or the contents of your posts? ;) Somebody has to be real unpopular to have a red dot under their post totals. I haven't seen that yet. I guess its when the reds outnumber the greens.


Energy, I don't even have a single red dot yet! I must be slipping up!!

:vfunny:

Energy, I don't even have a single red dot yet! I must be slipping up!!

:vfunny:

um, craig, be careful...that almost sounds like a double dog dare :vfunny:

um, craig, be careful...that almost sounds like a double dog dare :vfunny:

Yeah, well db gave me a test red dot with instructions to ignore it. Imagine that? The software didn't hear him. I have greens, a gray and the terrible red one! :vfunny: :ko:

energy - Since you've volunteered to be a 'test subject'... Let's see how that red dot looks!

You had 26 'points'. I changed it to -1026. I'll change it back as soon as you're nice to me (or when you ask or later this evening as soon as I figure you've seen it!

BTW - everyone started with with 10 'points'.

Energy, look at your 'dots'. We've uncovered (Eureka!) a couple of new dots!

Dark Red = reputationneg.gif (at -1026 you have 5)
Bright Red = reputationhighneg.gif (at -1026 you have 3)

Red = Negative

Light Gray = 'Balance' (?)
Green = Positive
Dark Gray = Reputation showing turned off by the user.

The investigation continues! I'll change you back in the morning.... IF you're NICE to me! ;)

energy - Since you've volunteered to be a 'test subject'... Let's see how that red dot looks!

You had 26 'points'. I changed it to -1026. I'll change it back as soon as you're nice to me (or when you ask or later this evening as soon as I figure you've seen it!

BTW - everyone started with with 10 'points'.

After finishing a post to the Quality Forums thread and admiring my gem, I glanced over at the area where the dot was. There are 8 dots packed together and I thought it was a little red worm!! :vfunny: :smokin:

Energy, look at your 'dots'. We've uncovered (Eureka!) a couple of new dots!

Dark Red = reputationneg.gif (at -1026 you have 5)
Bright Red = reputationhighneg.gif (at -1026 you have 3)

Red = Negative

Light Gray = 'Balance' (?)
Green = Positive
Dark Gray = Reputation showing turned off by the user.

The investigation continues! I'll change you back in the morning.... IF you're NICE to me! ;)

So, if you see a member with two or more green dots (Like you), you know they are pretty well admired and/or respected by those who care to use the feature. That means lots of points/votes/whatever. Are you sure that when you experimented with my dots, you didn't inadvertently give yourself some green reputation points? :vfunny:

So, if you see a member with two or more green dots (Like you), you know they are pretty well admired and/or respected by those who care to use the feature. That means lots of points/votes/whatever. Are you sure that when you experimented with my dots, you didn't inadvertently give yourself some green reputation points? :vfunny:
yes. That shows you're well loved! Anyway, gotta go audit. I put you back to where you were and added 4 points.

I think mine are mainly based upon time and number of posts. I'll have to check the settings and see if I can make them more sensitive.

Me cheat?

RC
I'm sure that most of the members think just like you. I know that I do. But, I couldn't help noticing that you are in the "green". Do you think it's because we know your gender?

Hey, to quote a very wise and astute friend of mine, "It's not easy being green. :)

Nah, don't think the green would be because of my gender...but, ooh, sudden insight! We should change the User Reputation function to User Mood function!!! The colour would indicate if I'm happy, sad, angry, postal, frustrated, puzzled, bored, curious, interested, shocked, indifferent, suspicious, disbelieving, confident, undecided, obstinate....hmmm...on second thought, there probably aren't enough colours to adequately cover my emotional spectrum. :biglaugh:

Go to your user control panel (UseCP) to see your point count.

I figured I did not see mine because I did not have points. However, I see that someone did add to my reputation either yesterday or today, and I still do not see it in my user control panel. Am I missing it?

Cari,

If you got to the main page of your user control panel and look toward the bottom of the page you should see it. It should be just above the Fair Use Notice and the graphics at the bottom of the pages. You should see something that says 'Latest Reputation Received' and then your point total and a list under that of who gave you points and their comments.

BTW - everyone started with with 10 'points'.

Nevermind, there's my answer! :bonk:

I'm pretty much indifferent to the idea. I like the idea that if someone's post helped another member that it get a green light, sort of like reading book reviews at any of the .coms. Nonetheless, it is still opinion based.

Kevin

I'm pretty much indifferent to the idea. I like the idea that if someone's post helped another member that it get a green light, sort of like reading book reviews at any of the .coms. Nonetheless, it is still opinion based.

Kevin

I think that when the green dot is awarded, it should be mandatory to use the comment line. Like, I just sent one your way with no reason except that you're from Seymour! :vfunny: :smokin:

I think that when the green dot is awarded, it should be mandatory to use the comment line. Like, I just sent one your way with no reason except that you're from Seymour! :vfunny: :smokin:

Good suggestion Bill. Now I'll have to go back into this thread to see how the darn thing works!! I plead ignorance!!!

Well, the weekend is here and I'm moving into it.

Regards,

Kevin :bigwave:

OK, folks, any new thoughts or opinions now that it's been going for a while now?

OK, folks, any new thoughts or opinions now that it's been going for a while now?

I don't have enough votes. Nobody likes me :(

Just kidding :vfunny: Had to throw that in there since it's been likened to a popularity contest.

OK, folks, any new thoughts or opinions now that it's been going for a while now?

Howz this for an 'anonymous' red dot?

OK, folks, any new thoughts or opinions now that it's been going for a while now?

I have to admit that every once in a while I look at the point total. What's more important is the "Reason" that is given and from who. I find that receiving a "kudo", of sorts, from members that you respect and admire (Well, kinda :vfunny: ) the best part of the feature. A point without an explanation is just kissing up! :p

Just when I was getting used to being a "glorious beacon of light" something changed, and now I'm just a "jewel in the rough." :vfunny:

I'm with Energy on this one. I like the comments that come with the rating.

You'll have to blame me - I think. There are some weird parts I'm not sure about like how 'repuation altering power' comes into play. Please remember - there is NO documentation for the software.

The original setup seemed way high so I lowered it to where 1000 points was the highest one could go. Recently I saw a few people with 300 to 400 points. Thinking to the future, with numbers that high that fast I made the spread a bit larger. The current settings are attached.

I like the 'system' because of the comments aspect which several others have pointed out. As long as we don't get 'seriously aggressive' about it, I don't see a problem with it. I like 'rewarding' someone for a good post. I see it as an acknowledgement that I appreciate the post.

But, I hope people only use the feature on posts in the 'Business' forums.

The request makes sense to me Marc. After your posts over the weekend you'd be so far down it would take another 4000 "business" posts just to get out of negative numbers! :vfunny:
Once again, good work, I for one really appreciate what you are doing.
Although I would ask WHAT WERE YOU SMOKING WHEN YOU MADE ENERGY A MODERATOR AND SHERIFF??! :biglaugh:
We've been ragging on him all day for that.

Although I would ask WHAT WERE YOU SMOKING WHEN YOU MADE ENERGY A MODERATOR AND SHERIFF??! :biglaugh:
We've been ragging on him all day for that.

You mean SUPER MODERATOR .
Wanna hit? :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

You mean STUPOR MODERATOR.Whaaa? :p

Marc,
What is the significance of the 3 different buttons for adding to someones reputation?

It's only 1 button. It represents the 3 aspects of the function - thumbs up, thumbs down (hopefully not) and 'Comment'.

Ohhhh that's what those pictures are!
Does that mean you need to choose the correct one? I believe I may have choosen the "thumbs down" but gave a positive response. Oops :eek:

It's ONE button. One makes 1 of 2 choices (agree or disagree) in the window which pops up when you click the button. There is also a place for a Comment in the window which pops up - which I hope everyone who uses the system puts in. Without a comment, it's of little value in my opinion.

Okay, Okay, it's ONE button already!!!!!!! :vfunny: :bonk:
Take a chill pill dude, I'm just getting started!!!!
Still, thanks for clearing that up. My ears are still ringing.
HEY STEW YOU DUMB S***, IT'S ONE BUTTON. GET IT 1 BUTTON. IT MAY HAVE 3 PICTURES BUT IT'S STILL ONE DAM BUTTON.

I think it sunk in now.

Just being brief. Wanted to answer your question, have to check several server logs to figure out the source of the http services crash, just finished an audit I have to write up, and am very busy in general. No biggie.

Yup - It's amazing what 1 button can do here!

I attempted to give a "thumbs up" to someone recently, but somehow all it said was I was "neutral". I did not click on neutral, I never got the screen where I was given a choice. I figured that I clicked on the center and that was the reason. I also did not have a chance to comment. Perhaps, I double clicked instead of just clicked. Knowing me it might have been "operator error". Wait!!!!! Can operator error be the root cause? :confused: Sorry, wrong thread!

Hi Marc,

So many advances on the site, what a super job. I voted to the 'no' side for the kharma thing, and want to give my reason. I am a very frequent browser on the site, and have seen spitting contests between users that made my blood boil. Without the help of a posted ranking system, I was quickly able to recognize those whose contributions were objective and thoughtful, and those who were writing to provoke. Occasionally, they do cross their respective lines.

In a posted ranking system, the collective opinion of the forum users stays with the user, and once a 'bad kharma' is attached, it takes double the 'good kharma' to cancel it out.

Also, forum contributors and forum 'disturbors' are ever so frequently recognized within the threads.

Finally, bad kharma might be enough for me to keep a controversial but relevant opinion to myself .... :eek: possibly be a good thing !!!!

Barbt :)

I attempted to give a "thumbs up" to someone recently, but somehow all it said was I was "neutral". I did not click on neutral, I never got the screen where I was given a choice. I figured that I clicked on the center and that was the reason. I also did not have a chance to comment. Perhaps, I double clicked instead of just clicked. Knowing me it might have been "operator error". Wait!!!!! Can operator error be the root cause? :confused: Sorry, wrong thread!If you click on your own button it will show that you are "even" and won't give you the options. Ummm... you weren't trying to inflate your own rating were you? :vfunny:

I attempted to give a "thumbs up" to someone recently, but somehow all it said was I was "neutral". I did not click on neutral, I never got the screen where I was given a choice. I figured that I clicked on the center and that was the reason. I also did not have a chance to comment. Perhaps, I double clicked instead of just clicked. Knowing me it might have been "operator error". Wait!!!!! Can operator error be the root cause? :confused: Sorry, wrong thread!
I have read through the vBulletin site and have not been able to find any thread where all how all this interacts. I don't know what it means to be 'neutral'. I'll keep looking.

From the suction created by my rep Arkansas ain't in no danger from sliding off into the ocean. :vfunny:

Aw, c'mon Randy. I see a green dot under your mug today that wasn't there yesterday...

Is this feature still working okay, or has Claes and Stew taken all available green dots? :vfunny: Today I gave -- or tried to give -- a thumbs-up to 2 different people and while I used to get a box that would pop-up and say something like "may you get the same treatment in the future" lately I have been getting nothing to show that my good karma point was awarded.

From the suction created by my rep Arkansas ain't in no danger from sliding off into the ocean. :vfunny:

Hey don't feel bad. I'm probably the only one here with a red dot -- from the Mayor no less! :vfunny:

Aw, c'mon Randy. I see a green dot under your mug today that wasn't there yesterday...

And the Lord said "This too shall pass"

Is this feature still working okay, or has Claes and Stew taken all available green dots? :vfunny: Today I gave -- or tried to give -- a thumbs-up to 2 different people and while I used to get a box that would pop-up and say something like "may you get the same treatment in the future" lately I have been getting nothing to show that my good karma point was awarded.
The spread is such that it's relatively easy to get the first 2 or 3 dots but it becomes progressively harder (larger number of points needed) for the last few dots. Like an exponential curve.

Hey don't feel bad. I'm probably the only one here with a red dot -- from the Mayor no less! :vfunny:
Just don't forget the whole story - it was when this was first set up and I said I agreed with the post. That was the first time I had even used it and I pressed the wrong button. Unfortunately, I know how to change points but I have no idea how to get in and change or remove a rating one person gives to another. In addition, I went in and manually added the points (and a few more) back.

I'll never admit to the rumour that I've told energy to "Git Mike S" come heck or high crick water...".

I feel so un-loved. One measly green dot. I guess I'm not in the 4-5 green dot cliche! *Snicker* :ko:

The spread is such that it's relatively easy to get the first 2 or 3 dots but it becomes progressively harder (larger number of points needed) for the last few dots. Like an exponential curve.

Maybe you misunderstood. I was wondering if the "karma point" I awarded to someone was actually getting to the awardee because I used to get an immediate notice box that popped-up saying that the award was given to the person but now I get nothing to confirm that.

I'll never admit to the rumour that I've told energy to "Git Mike S" come heck or high crick water...".

Jist don't get caught out alone late at night leavin' the saloon in an inebriated state, Mayor, 'specially if you hear banjo music nearby, cuz I know some ole boys who know how to make a man talk. They'll find out what you told that yeller-bellied sheriff. :biglaugh:

Maybe you misunderstood. I was wondering if the "karma point" I awarded to someone was actually getting to the awardee because I used to get an immediate notice box that popped-up saying that the award was given to the person but now I get nothing to confirm that.

That's strange. It seems to work for me. I get the confirmation when I do the same thing...

And hey, don't insult the sheriff. I'm staying in cover over here since I commented the way he parts his hair.... I'll come out when he's had a drink from the latest batch of Cove's Sting (No, I won't tell you about the recipee). That should pacify him a bit.

/Claes

Maybe you misunderstood. I was wondering if the "karma point" I awarded to someone was actually getting to the awardee because I used to get an immediate notice box that popped-up saying that the award was given to the person but now I get nothing to confirm that.
It might be a cache issue. I'm betting that the person is getting credit. I haven't figured how it all fits together yet (there's an extra number no one can really explain - yet - the karma 'modifier'), but it appears to be working.

It might be a cache issue. I'm betting that the person is getting credit. I haven't figured how it all fits together yet (there's an extra number no one can really explain - yet), but it appears to be working.

If it is working you should have just gotten good karma, but I did not get any notice that I sent it. Which is fine -- I was just wonderin'... :bigwave:

A minute ago I noticed there were now 4 dots by my post count and went to look who did what. Hadn't even seen this post yet. Surprised me! Yes - it works.

As an FYI, if you want to see some discussion on this, see: So how does Karma work, anyway? (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51868) and Suggestion: Reputation System must be improve (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74752)

That's strange. It seems to work for me. I get the confirmation when I do the same thing...
I checked it out here by giving someone a 'Thank You' and I don't get anything afterwards. The box just goes away. It may be a browser issue.

Edit: Just looked closely and noticed that after clicking the button the box goes away, another box 'flashes' - too fast to read or see anything - and immediately closes.

I just thought about this: What happens when you award karma points to someone who has turned the function off? I have done that several times. Will they still see it in their user control panel?

/Claes

They get the points and I assume (haven't tested, but then who cares if they don't) they can see them as the rest of us can. They just choose not to display their 'dot' or 'dots' to the public, so to speak.

I think that when the green dot is awarded, it should be mandatory to use the comment line. Like, I just sent one your way with no reason except that you're from Seymour! :vfunny: :smokin:

Hey, I used to live in Seymour when I was first married. The little man taught in Bridgeport, but no way would I actually LIVE in Bridgeport. Enjoyed many a hot dog at the Seymour Dairy Bar...worked at Issacson's department store, and the Pizza at the Seymour Pizza Palace remains memorable.

Being just down the river from Naughatuck made deep breaths a bit chancy some days...nothing like the smell of rubber in the morning.

Haven't been there since 1975, however. I imagine it has changed.

Being just down the river from Naughatuck made deep breaths a bit chancy some days...nothing like the smell of rubber in the morning.
Haven't been there since 1975, however. I imagine it has changed.

It's changed significantly. They were able to ignite a ladle of water back then. The factories causing the pollution are gone or are treating the water. Birds and fish are back. We catch Salmon in the Seymour section, now. With decades of unbridled pollution, the bottom must still contain nasty sediment. Let's put it this way. If you were dying of thirst, I might pause before you sip a mouthful. You don't eat the fish either. :vfunny:

Well that's good. It was pretty odoriferous back then. But, after 4 years of college in Buffalo, it might have been a step up in air quality. That was back in the days when Buffalo had steel mills and I seemed to reside in the primaryspot where the steel mill ooze met the chemical factory ooze.

It is possible to breath very deep in Ithaca and never catch a wiff of anything other than the rarified air of academia. :vfunny:

Can someone tell me what those three little gizmos are next to the edit button as I want to add something to Icy Waters reputation.

Can someone tell me what those three little gizmos are next to the edit button as I want to add something to Icy Waters reputation.

The left one (green) is a "thumbs-up" (at-a-boy, good job, etc.). The middle one (Orange/Red) is a "thumbs-down" (disagee, etc.). And the right one (yellow) I am not sure.

Sorry, I couldn't be of more help.

Thanks David...it's all very childish and I like it a lot. So I just clicked me and it said I have 19 reputation points and that something or other was even?

Can someone tell me what those three little gizmos are next to the edit button as I want to add something to Icy Waters reputation.
All of this is addressed in this thread.
Thanks David...it's all very childish and I like it a lot. So I just clicked me and it said I have 19 reputation points and that something or other was even?
Well, I like it. The only problem is I raised the 'ante' that one must 'credit' 10 different users before one can come back and credit someone again. I have seen that folks like Claes who interacts a lot has a 'lot of dots'. On the other hand, I see some folks who do deserve a 'couple of dots or more' are not always 'given their due'.

Yes - to some degree it is a popularity contest. But - if more folks would 'give credit when / where credit is due - to a number of different people, it really might help as an incentive to participate. I feel kinda good when someone gives me a 'Kudo' through the reputation part of these forums. Claes has more dots than me so of course, I'm jealous...

...it's all very childish and I like it a lot...
So are things like 'avatars'. This isn't the ASQ forums. I'm 53 and rumour is some day I will grow up... Welcome to the Big Kids Club where we look to 'Grownups' for advice... If Kathy Beck from Stolle (American Trim) ever tunes in, she is my ideal 'Grownup'! I'm glad you 'like it a lot! :thedeal:

Claes has more dots than me so of course, I'm jealous...

I'm 53 and rumour is aome day I will grow up... Welcome to the Big Kids Club where we look to 'Grownups' for advice... LMAO...:biglaugh: Marc... Whatever you do: Do not grow up, ok? (Here, borrow some of my dots).

Btw: My wife has always considered me to be a kid impersonating an adult. She is right, as most of you already know, and I have no intention of changing that.

/Claes

LMAO...:biglaugh: Marc... Whatever you do: Do not grow up, ok? /Claes
Hail! Hail! to not growing up! (my kids still ask me what I am going to do with my life when I grow up, lol)

The only problem is I raised the 'ante' that one must 'credit' 10 different users before one can come back and credit someone again. I have seen that folks like Claes who interacts a lot has a 'lot of dots'. On the other hand, I see some folks who do deserve a 'couple of dots or more' are not always 'given their due'.

Yes - to some degree it is a popularity contest. But - if more folks would 'give credit when / where credit is due - to a number of different people, it really might help as an incentive to participate.

IMO forcing someone to credit 10 different users before giving someone else credit twice is just forcefully skewing the votes, making any value of the dots suspect. Such meddling must artificially skew the results. Now, if I get a dot, I'll wonder if it was freely given or was really just given to me grudgingly so they could get back to being "allowed" to give Claes or Stew another well-deserved dot. We're dealing with personal opinions here, and if someone feels Claes is due 3 dots for his last 3 posts, but no one lese deserves a dot in between, who is to say their opinion is not valid? Kinda reminds me of... never mind.

It's your sandbox, your rules, I appreciate that. But I just wanted to give my 2 cents worth. :truce:

If anyone is seriously concerned about the number of green dots they have in this forum they perhaps need to get out more.

I am reminded of a kids movie from many years ago... "You've got to accentuate the positive... eliminate the negative..." I think the "Add to reputation" feature is nice, I have used it to add to the reputation for several rather informative postings. I also think negative ratings should be kept out of the picture.

Any such rating systems should be taken with a grain (or a whole mountain ;) ) of salt... for any 'system', there are always ways around that system (I know this may come as a shock to some, but there are almost always ways to skew the results, or falsly beef up stats :eek: )... How does that quote go... oh yeah... "lies, **** lies and statistics" :vfunny:

Mike S.

I could have set it at 1. Default was 5. For a while it was set at 7. The set number of 10 forces someone to consider more people rather than having a small group they credit continuously.

You say maybe Claes, for example, has 3 posts you think are good and deserve a 'kudo'. So - in all the threads you read here in the forums there are no other posters worth a Kudo? You want to be able to continually give 1 or 2 people 'Kudos' and no one but those couple of people post anything 'worthy' by your assessment? That's what you consider 'fair'?

Since this isn't a scientific rating of people, but rather a friendly way to say 'Thanks' for the help, or Thanks for the attachment, I don't think the skew is important. In my opinion there are more than 10 people here who give good replies, post a good attachment or otherwise help someone. On behalf of the hundreds of other users here, I resent your even beginning to insinuate that fewer than 10 people who participate here have posted something which deserves a 'Pat on the back' - a vote of thanks.

I am not surprised that you think there are so few people here deserving of a 'Kudo' (obviously less than ten) that you believe someone will only give you a 'Kudo' grudgingly because they need to give 10 people a 'Kudo' so they can give the same person another 'Kudo. Your attitude plays its self out in typical fashion.

Now - since you'll be wondering whether someone who gives you a 'Kudo' really wanted to or not, turn yours off, don't participate and stop wondering and whining. Yup - my sandbox.

Kinda reminds you of what, Mike? Trying to be fair and share the wealth, so to speak? You appear to be a very selfish person. You're complaining about an aspect of the system you can turn off and don't even have to participate in. Kinda reminds me of...

If anyone is seriously concerned about the number of green dots they have in this forum they perhaps need to get out more.
I agree. I like the system. I really do. But it sure isn't something I'm going to go over Niagra Falls about knowing there are others out there with more dots than I have.

I agree. I like the system. I really do. But it sure isn't something I'm going to go over Niagra Falls about knowing there are others out there with more dots than I have.

Picture of Marc after surviving Niagara falls. The result of his finding out that Randy has more green dots than he:

Mike S.

The set number of 10 forces someone to consider more people rather than having a small group they credit continuously.

You want to be able to continually give 1 or 2 people 'Kudos' and no one but those couple of people post anything 'worthy' by your assessment? That's what you consider 'fair'?

On behalf of the hundreds of other users here, I resent your even beginning to insinuate that fewer than 10 people who participate here have posted something which deserves a 'Pat on the back' - a vote of thanks.

I am not surprised that you think there are so few people here deserving of a 'Kudo' (obviously less than ten) that you believe someone will only give you a 'Kudo' grudgingly because they need to give 10 people a 'Kudo' so they can give the same person another 'Kudo. Your attitude plays its self out in typical fashion.

Now - since you'll be wondering whether someone who gives you a 'Kudo' really wanted to or not, turn yours off, don't participate and stop wondering and whining. Yup - my sandbox.

Kinda reminds you of what, Mike? Trying to be fair and share the wealth, so to speak? You appear to be a very selfish person. You're complaining about an aspect of the system you can turn off and don't even have to participate in. Kinda reminds me of...

So, anyone who posts an opinion is "whining" if you don't agree? Or maybe "selfish" or has an "attitude"? Do you want a forum full of nothing but yes-men? Who is suddenly pulling out the nastiness? I think I was respectful and polite in my post -- I certainly did not get personal with anyone or call anyone names (did I Sheriff???). Can you say the same, Marc? Why do you feel the need to resort to name calling just because someone posts a comment?

Who said "less than 10" people here deserve a kudo? Not me. You did -- assuming you know my thoughts. I objected to being -- your word "forced" or limited as to when I could give a kudo. That's all. I don't care if I get them, but I tried to give some yesterday to a few folks whom I felt deserved them and was told I could not until I spread more around. Well, I couldn't tell you who I last gave kudos to, or when, or how often, I just knew I saw a few posts I liked, thought about the kudos button for whatever reason, and tried to spread some cheer but could not because of some artificial software setting. So I was "selfish"-ly trying to spread some cheer. I feel so ashamed.

BTW -- So you don't try to read too much into it -- It reminded me of a TV show I saw recently where kids were not allowed to keep score in a game -- "everyone won" according to the adults, who forced the kids not to keep score -- but they did anyway. Had nothing to do with "wealth".

......

So, anyone who posts an opinion is "whining" if you don't agree? Or maybe "selfish" or has an "attitude"? Do you want a forum full of nothing but yes-men? Who is suddenly pulling out the nastiness? I think I was respectful and polite in my post -- I certainly did not get personal with anyone or call anyone names (did I Sheriff???). Can you say the same, Marc? Why do you feel the need to resort to name calling just because someone posts a comment?

BTW -- So you don't try to read too much into it -- It reminded me of a TV show I saw recently where kids were not allowed to keep score in a game -- "everyone won" according to the adults, who forced the kids not to keep score -- but they did anyway. Had nothing to do with "wealth".
When I was little (back at the beginning of WWII), I was in the middle of a knock down, drag out fight with another kid, when each of us were grabbed by the ear by Mrs. Dougherty, the neighborhood busybody.

Her malaprop comment was so eccentric and yet to the point, I remember it to this day:
"Now, now. Don't play, fight nice!" she said.

So now I echo to Marc and Mike,
"Now, now. Don't play, fight nice!"

Howste -- pretty funny. How'd you do that???

Wes,

I thought I was being nice. I was just voicing an opinion and I think I avoided nastiness and name-calling. I tried to do it nicely -- more than ever I am trying not to be nasty or speak of political stuff. In fact, I was gonna write something I thought might be construed as political so I stopped in mid-sentence, the specter of the omnipresent Sheriff sitting on my shoulder and whispering to my subconscious that I should watch the politics stuff. Sometimes I go days, maybe weeks not considering the kudos dots, but for some reason a few days ago I did think of it and saw a few posts that I decided to give a dot to instead of just posting "good idea" in a post. But I couldn't -- apparently I had given those persons kudos recently enough that I hadn't given 10 other people dots in the interim. Thing is, I probably have said "good idea" in a post several times in-between. And for my trouble I get called "selfish", "whining" and told I have a bad "attitude" by the very "Mayor" who admonishes others against such stuff, even hiring a full-time "Sheriff" to enforce these laws. :confused: I suppose the old saying "no good deed goes unpunished" applies.

If anyone is seriously concerned about the number of green dots they have in this forum they perhaps need to get out more.

Nice of you to jump right in there to criticize, Martin. Perhaps, just perhaps, you did not understand my issue?

Mike S.

You want to be able to continually give 1 or 2 people 'Kudos' and no one but those couple of people post anything 'worthy' by your assessment? That's what you consider 'fair'?

You appear to be a very selfish person.

Interesting thing is, right now I can't give Marc any kudos, either, seems I have selfishly given him some kudos too recently as well. :ko:

If anyone is seriously concerned about the number of green dots they have in this forum they perhaps need to get out more.

Personnaly, I do keep track. After all, I am the BEST poster here. I am also the most intelligent, best looking and without a doubt the most humble and the most modest. Yet, I have hardly any green dots. The current system is totally unfair, otherwise, I would have more dots than all of you combined.

Personnaly, I do keep track. After all, I am the BEST poster here. I am also the most intelligent, best looking and without a doubt the most humble and the most modest. Yet, I have hardly any green dots. The current system is totally unfair, otherwise, I would have more dots than all of you combined.

I would give you a dot for this most truthful and accurate post, but alas I cannot -- I still need to spread more dots around first. :vfunny:

I would give you a dot for this most truthful and accurate post, but alas I cannot -- I still need to spread more dots around first. :vfunny:

I went to the doctor with a back problem a few years ago, and he told me he normally tells folks not to lift anything bigger than their egos. With me however, he said that attempting to lift my ego would endanger anyone's back, not to mention most of the forklifts out there. :frust:

Personnaly, I do keep track. After all, I am the BEST poster here. I am also the most intelligent, best looking and without a doubt the most humble and the most modest. Yet, I have hardly any green dots. The current system is totally unfair, otherwise, I would have more dots than all of you combined.

Dave,

If the rules on the use of the Green Dots allowed, I would give you 2 or 3 for such a humble post. But alas, we are encouraged to not give these awards away for posts in the "Odds and Ends" area; and as we know I'm not allowed to give you more than 1 even if I could give them in this area.

So you'll just have to continue with no more dots than I. Now that I think of it, does that make us equals and if so does that mean that I'm just as intelligent, good looking, humble, etc.?

Ignor the first part of this, I will award those dots to myself. :biglaugh:

Hey, everybody, let's get back to the real issue: I checked my user profile and Simon still hasn't figured out how to give me any more green dots. Somebody help him....Gimme my green dots, Gimme my green dots.. :biglaugh:

Howste -- pretty funny. How'd you do that???
Just a little fun with Paint Shop Pro and Animation Shop. :D

By the way, I'm going into business making custom avatars. For anyone interested, all it costs is one karma kudo for a standard (nonmoving) avatar or three kudos for an animated version. :vfunny:

Interesting thing is, right now I can't give Marc any kudos, either, seems I have selfishly given him some kudos too recently as well. :ko:
Your values assume I seek 'Kudos'. This is a reflection of your values which require something I don't understand. I don't seek 'Kudos' which I must assume are important to you. They are a nice idea, but I don't 'advertise' to get 'points' and I know no one who does. You are, in fact, asking people to 'Kudo' you through your whining.

So - Less than 10 people in all of the forums deserve a 'pat on the back', according to you - Mike S. I'm sure you are as well loved by others. From your response, I shouldn't 'Kudo' you unless you 'Kudo' me first or vice versa. That isn't related to knowledge and achievements, but rather is your way of depreciating others and trying to maintain a sense of superiority.

You validate my point which is, apparently, most participants are below your expectations of what is deserving of a 'Kudo'. Less than 10 folks here ,m in your opinion, deserve a 'Thanks'. Personally, I think a lot of folks offer a lot more than you 'contribute'.

In my opinion, there are MANY folks who deserve a 'Kudo' for their contributions. I don't need 'points'. To others, it would be a nice thing. Spread your 'praise' (your 'Thanks'!) around! Encourage others by giving them a 'pat on the back'! And if there are less than 15 people which you consider 'worthy' of a 'Kudos' on this whole forum, then say so in this thread.

Stop being a whiner, Mike. :thedeal:

Mike S.: Plays well with others?:
Doesn't like or apprciate others who do not 'think' as he does..

I would give you a dot for this most truthful and accurate post, but alas I cannot -- I still need to spread more dots around first. :vfunny:
After this post, I have to assume Mike S sees less than 10 folks in these forums as deserving of a 'Thanks'. Mike, as of now your 'Contributor Access' is cancelled and I ask that you find another forum where your definition of 'fair play' is recognized.

But alas, we are encouraged to not give these awards away for posts in the "Odds and Ends" area; and as we know I'm not allowed to give you more than 1 even if I could give them in this area.
Yup - we long ago agreed that only positive responses were acceptable and that responses would be limited to the 'business end' of the forums.
...and as we know I'm not allowed to give you more than 1 even if I could give them in this area.
You distort the issue. You can give Mike more than one 'Kudo' or do you, as does Mike S., see less than 10 people here who deserve a 'Kudo'? From your response, I have to assume you, as well, see fewer than 10 people who are deserving of a 'Kudo'. You can give Mike many kudos. Your complaint is based upon the idea that the button will not allow you to sit there and continually click on only one person.

I pity you for your short sightedness. There are many participants who deserve a 'Kudo' but to you, you cannot give Dave multiple 'Kudos' without crediting anyone else because you have to give several other participants a 'Kudo'.

Dave - get a life.

As with Mike S unless you want to state that there are more than 10 people here which deserve a 'Kudo' for their help and participation, I must assume the forums have no value to you.

You do deserve some 'Kudos' in my opinion, but how can you be so self centered as to believe, as Dave S apparently does, that you are one of less than 10 people here who deserve a 'kudo'. That alone makes me want to cancel your account as 'Doesn't care about others'.

Personally, I take both your response as well Mike S.'s response as an insult that you both believe less than 10 people here deserve a 'Kudo' for their help and participation.

Personnaly, I do keep track. After all, I am the BEST poster here. I am also the most intelligent, best looking and without a doubt the most humble and the most modest. Yet, I have hardly any green dots. The current system is totally unfair, otherwise, I would have more dots than all of you combined.
I don't keep track per se. But when I'm in my CP and I see a 'Kudo' I take it personally especially where there is a comment. I appreciate that someone is thanking me for my help.

It's not a matter of being 'fair'. It's a matter of your helping someone and their giving your a 'Thanks' for that help.

Db - I'm sending you a 'Kudo'.

Yup - we long ago agreed that only positive responses were acceptable and that responses would be limited to the 'business end' of the forums.

You distort the issue. You can give Mike more than one 'Kudo' or do you, as does Mike S., see less than 10 people here who deserve a 'Kudo'? From your response, I have to assume you, as well, see fewer than 10 people who are deserving of a 'Kudo'. You can give Mike many kudos. Your complaint is based upon the idea that the button will not allow you to sit there and continually click on only one person.

I pity you for your short sightedness. There are many participants who deserve a 'Kudo' but to you, you cannot give Dave multiple 'Kudos' without crediting anyone else because you have to give several other participants a 'Kudo'.

Dave - get a life.

As with Mike S unless you want to state that there are more than 10 people here which deserve a 'Kudo' for their help and participation, I must assume the forums have no value to you.

You do deserve some 'Kudos' in my opinion, but how can you be so self centered as to believe, as Dave S apparently does, that you are one of less than 10 people here who deserve a 'kudo'. That alone makes me want to cancel your account as 'Doesn't care about others'.

Personally, I take both your response as well Mike S.'s response as an insult that you both believe less than 10 people here deserve a 'Kudo' for their help and participation.

Marc,

My comments were ALL made in jest. I know that I was distorting the issue (mainly because I really didn't see an issue). Please believe me that I have seen many Cove members that deserve far more "kudos" than I, and I have NEVER been one to pat myself on the back, especially when there are so many others more deserving of reward than I.

I am sorry that you took my response as an insult, it was truly meant as a play on M. Greenaway's humorous post.

As an attempt to prove my point, I am "turning off" my ability to receive any of the green dots as soon as I complete this posting. :truce:

seems I have selfishly given him some kudos too recently as well.
You mis-state - It's not a factor of time, which you imply. You use the term 'recently' as if that's a factor and it is not. It's a factor of giving 9 different people a 'Kudo' before you can come back and give a person another 'Kudo'.

We now know you see fewer than 10 people here in the forums as 'worthy' of a 'Kudo'.

More and more I see you as a selfish person who does not belong here.

Marc,

My comments were ALL made in jest. I know that I was distorting the issue (mainly because I really didn't see an issue). Please believe me that I have seen many Cove members that deserve far more "kudos" than I, and I have NEVER been one to pat myself on the back, especially when there are so many others more deserving of reward than I.

I am sorry that you took my response as an insult, it was truly meant as a play on M. Greenaway's humorous post.

As an attempt to prove my point, I am "turning off" my ability to receive any of the green dots as soon as I complete this posting. :truce:
I don't see a neccessity to 'turn off' your dots. PLEASE don't! I hope you don't. I believe in recognizing those who go out of their way to help people. I have visited a lot of forums with equivalent 'rating' systems and I rarely see controversy like this.

We discussed this aspect of the forums early on which this thread is based upon. We agreed that negative 'ratings' were not appreciated and we agreed that 'Kudos' would be restricted to the 'business end' of the forums because I cannot separate them.

I am not happy because of pop comments, such as from from Mike S., that the 'system' is not to his liking. In his opinion it is not 'fair'. I don't maintain this forum to satisfy Mike S.

Dave, I enjoy your posts. I enjoy many folks posts. And there are a lot of people whom I believe deserve a 'Pat on the back' - you are one of those people who deserve several more dots than you have so far. Some of this is, I believe, the system is not promoted appropriately (my fault).

I visit a number of forums. Several have a similar post rating system. Typically, like it or not, users with the highest 'ratings' are the most dependable in their responses being accurate. Heck - E-bay uses the same system and also uses the similar constraints. Mike S wants to be able to 'Kudo' one person multiple times. Even e-bay screens for someone such as Mike S to keep one person from making continuous 'positive recommendations' for a seller (which was, of course, a reaction to fraud). So - Mike S, I recommend you recognize some people outside whoever is on your 'less than ten' positive contributors list.

I do not want to get into a pissing match because of some perceived 'problem' such as Mike S. has raised. On the other hand, Claes has a lot of dots. Umm, weellll....., surprise. Review Claes' posts and he is always friendly, goes out of his way to welcome new folks, gives details - and is - well, super friendly and helpful. There is no wonder visitors give him 'Kudos'. He deserves them!

As an additional aspect, if I was logging in for the first time (just as with E-Bay), I would look to the 'seller reputation'. I see Claes's 'Reputation' in my forums and I have a certain degree of trust in Claes from that alone. If I see someone with 1 or no recommendation I would want to do more research.

Mike S: If you don't have many 'dots', it may be for a reason... I know why energy, Claes and many others have 3 or more 'dots'. You should have a lot because you DO help a lot. But I won't attribute your lack of dots to system design or limitation failures. The 'Problem' may actually just be your personality.

I really like the 'Kudos' idea when used responsibly. And we can, and I believe as a general rule we each do, give 'Kudos' appropriately.

"You do deserve some 'Kudos' in my opinion, but how can you be so self centered as to believe, as Dave S apparently does, that you are one of less than 10 people here who deserve a 'kudo'. That alone makes me want to cancel your account as 'Doesn't care about others' "

Is there another Dave S here or did I do something I shouldn't have? If I said something to make anyone think I don't care about others, I am sorry because it certainly wasn't intended. At my age, although there is plenty I can still learn, I visit the Cove to try to pass on what knowledge and experience I can to those who are looking for some help. I know I get opinionated once in a while but those here who know me can attest that I have the interest of our profession at heart. To anyone I have offended, especially Marc for whom I have the utmost respect, Please accept my deepest apologies.

Dave

My original post, in total: IMO forcing someone to credit 10 different users before giving someone else credit twice is just forcefully skewing the votes, making any value of the dots suspect. Such meddling must artificially skew the results. Now, if I get a dot, I'll wonder if it was freely given or was really just given to me grudgingly so they could get back to being "allowed" to give Claes or Stew another well-deserved dot. We're dealing with personal opinions here, and if someone feels Claes is due 3 dots for his last 3 posts, but no one lese deserves a dot in between, who is to say their opinion is not valid? Kinda reminds me of... never mind. It's your sandbox, your rules, I appreciate that. But I just wanted to give my 2 cents worth."
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Marc,

Above is my original post, in total. Never in my wildest dreams did I suspect it would cause such a ruckus! Good grief, I made a comment, which I thought was allowed here. You sought out comments on the CB forums!

As anyone objective can see, I NEVER said that no more than "10 folks in these forums as deserving of a 'Thanks'". Read that again, I never said it, period. You are the one who cooked this up by your wrong interpretation of my post. My point was that someone, anyone, could make 2 posts within, say a few hours of each other, that I felt deserved a dot, but I could not give them a dot for each post unless I had found 10 other people during those few hours to give dots to in between. That's all.

I did say "...if I get a dot, I'll wonder if it was freely given..." but my point wasn't about me, or how many dots I get. To tell the God's honest truth I had not looked at my "dots" for over a month, and had forgotten how to, until I went to the user control panel this morning and saw I had gotten a few in early October which was news to me. As I said before, sometimes I forget about the dot option altogether. Heck, why not take a look in your software and see how many people I gave dots to and when I did it and post it here -- it will show that I sometimes go a long time forgetting it, and have spread many dots around, including to you several times.

And I NEVER said my posts or contributions are better than anyone elses.

You seem to constantly feel the need to repeatedly convince people that I am "selfish", have a "problem personality", that I'm a "whiner", don't "like or apprciate others who do not 'think' as (I) do", have no sense of "fair play", "does not belong here," that I engage in "depreciating others and trying to maintain a sense of superiority," etc. etc. ad nauseum. If I am truly so anti-social and nasty and evil, shouldn't the intelligent Cove folks realize this themselves without the need for you to write post after post trying to convince them? Why exactly do you feel the need to denigrate me, mis-interpret my posts, call me names? I get all this, and my contributor's access stopped, simply for posting a simple opinion? Nah, I think you were looking for some excuse to go off on me, because my post was not inflammatory nor personally attacking -- it certainly did not warrant your repeated angry attacks on me IMO.

But while I will miss the contributors access which you took from me so I can read attachments and comment on, or use, them, I will not just go away as you suggest I do. See, the forums DO have value to me. And I trust the collective judgement of the Cove members and put myself in their hands. If they think I am as bad as you say, they can and will ignore me, or tell me so in PM or in public, or, if they feel that way, I invite them to PM you and tell you that they want me to be forcefully purged from the Cove. I invite their comments/opinions. If I am as bad as you say I surely do not belong among this group, I deserve the J. Wade treatment. Sure, you can of course cut me off completely all on your own if you want, I know that.

To sum it up, I made a simple comment that was wildly misinterpreted. And for it I was personally attacked as I have never seen anyone else here attacked, except maybe JW. If I was partly at fault because I did not take more time to clearly state my opinion more clearly in the original post, I apologize, but I do not apologize for the thought itself -- it is JMO, which I will have regardless.

"You do deserve some 'Kudos' in my opinion, but how can you be so self centered as to believe, as Dave S apparently does, that you are one of less than 10 people here who deserve a 'kudo'. That alone makes me want to cancel your account as 'Doesn't care about others' "

Is there another Dave S here or did I do something I shouldn't have? If I said something to make anyone think I don't care about others, I am sorry because it certainly wasn't intended. At my age, although there is plenty I can still learn, I visit the Cove to try to pass on what knowledge and experience I can to those who are looking for some help. I know I get opinionated once in a while but those here who know me can attest that I have the interest of our profession at heart. To anyone I have offended, especially Marc for whom I have the utmost respect, Please accept my deepest apologies.

Dave

Based on Marc's post, I think he meant Mike. Although, he could have been referencing Dave H, or myself. But I think that both of our post were simply nonsense things that should have been in the humor thread. At least mine were. There are several folks (yourself included) that when they respond to a thread, I make sure I read their posts carefully. You folks tend to pack a whole lot of wisdom in few words, and I want to make sure I don't miss anything. :agree:

Hey, everybody, let's get back to the real issue: I checked my user profile and Simon still hasn't figured out how to give me any more green dots. Somebody help him....Gimme my green dots, Gimme my green dots.. :biglaugh:
I hope that no one here took this as a serious solicitation for 'kudos'. I offer my most humble apologies if it was misinterpreted as a plea. For those of you who have read my posts, you know I often use "humorous" creativity to make a point. I was trying to diffuse the situation here with a little over-the-top self-centeredness (thus the "biglaugh" guy at the end). I really didn't think the original post that Simon was aiming at was all that "kudo-worthy", but :biglaugh: gimme those green dots...gimme those green dots :biglaugh:

Hey where did my gag go ?

JMHO :smokin:

Having been away from the Cove due to technical problems, I am just now catching up on some topics. May as well jump right into this one. The dots. The dreaded dots. As I have said before, it makes no difference to me whether I have any or lots of them (red or green). Never consider them. But, like Marc, I enjoy seeing the personal comment from a member who decided to award one.
Now, the 10 to 1 rule. I agree with Mike S. on this, to the extent that I will not search for other posts so that I can give a dot to someone who has inspired me to think about kudos, in the first place. That does not mean that other posts are not worthy. It just means that I will not search, (who has the time?) for other members to dole out equal amounts of candy to just so I can give kudos to the member who prompted me to use the function in the first place. I just don’t award any. I may PM that person and say nice things.
I know the intent is to prevent any display of favoritism toward any member from a group of other members bent on artificially inflating his/her numbers.
After all, isn’t that what happened with the “Poster of the Year” thread? Even though members had only one vote, some considered that the member who ended up with the most votes did not possess the traits one would expect to obtain such a title. Tough. As has been said, even this is a personality thing. I remember in school you weren’t allowed to publicly share anything with a friend unless you had enough for everybody in the class. You could give the teacher a present, though.
This dot thing means nothing. Do you like someone’s post? Does it just happen to be the same person? Someone that just gets to you more than others? Try to dot them. Use the remarks section to let them know why. If you can’t, PM them and tell them what you liked about their post. So the whole Q world doesn’t see it. So what? Does it really matter? When the day is over, do we lay in bed tossing and turning because we didn’t get any dots? If you look at the original poll, the choice that it would create problems was probably the correct one.

To suggest that any member who feels that the dot system is cumbersome and inhibits them from expressing satisfaction with another member’s post without doling out dots to nine other members to do it, somehow says that there are not ten other posts worth awarding, is, well, worth a red dot. ;) I won’t do it, either. Peace y’all. Incoming!!!

Having been away from the Cove due to technical problemsWelcome back. It's about time you showed up. :D

Technical problems? Admit it, you just forgot how to turn the computer on :vfunny:

Welcome back. It's about time you showed up. :D

Technical problems? Admit it, you just forgot how to turn the computer on

Anybody know how to retrieve my vital info on that defunct hardrive? Our computer guy said to take a hammer to it because it is retrievable. Like, I'm worried about anyone seeing what is on there? he thinks I'm a Prevert? :vfunny: What does Ghost do? Is is expensive? Any other ideas? I have pics (Family), you sickos, that I would like to keep. ;)

Anybody know how to retrieve my vital info on that defunct hardrive?
Try a google search for "retrieve data from damaged hard drive". That should do it.

/Claes

Energy...

Norton Ghost (http://www.symantec.com/sabu/ghost/ghost_personal)

There are both personal and network versions available... I have not used it yet, but I may get it for my next PC. It comes highly recommended from some of my friends who work in IT...

What does Ghost do?
Check the software that came with the CD burner. Most likely it has a built in feature for backing up your hard drive onto CDs (which is basically what Ghost is for).

As far as the hardrive goes, it depends on the condition of the harddrive. If it is readable you can put it in the new system and copy everything. If it is damaged then you would probably have to go through a data recovery service.

Check the software that came with the CD burner. Most likely it has a built in feature for backing up your hard drive onto CDs (which is basically what Ghost is for).

As far as the hardrive goes, it depends on the condition of the harddrive. If it is readable you can put it in the new system and copy everything. If it is damaged then you would probably have to go through a data recovery service.

I can't get it to startup even in the safe mode. It sounds like an electric typewriter or like those old ticker tape machines. FUBAR......That's what it is! :bonk:

Having been away from the Cove due to technical problems, I am just now catching up on some topics. May as well jump right into this one. The dots. The dreaded dots.
My energy's back and you're gonna be in trouble.. Hey now, Hey now, my energy's back!

I can't get it to startup even in the safe mode. It sounds like an electric typewriter or like those old ticker tape machines. FUBAR......That's what it is! :bonk:

I had a similar thing, when I lost my mother board. I bought a new computer and added the old hardrive, as a secondary. I then copied my data from the old to the new, and formatted the old drive. Now, I use it as a secondary drive.


BTW, good to see you back energy. :bigwave:

I had a similar thing, when I lost my mother board. I bought a new computer and added the old hardrive, as a secondary. I then copied my data from the old to the new, and formatted the old drive. Now, I use it as a secondary drive.


BTW, good to see you back energy. :bigwave:

With some help from someone who has played with hard-drives, I did the same thing. You have to make sure the switches on the hard-drive are set right. Any a buddy who is computer savvy -- you might be able to get all the data really easy. Worst case, there are companies out there who will recover your data even if the HD is screwed up pretty bad but not sure how much they charge. It is hard to make the data on a HD truly FUBAR.

You have to make sure the switches on the hard-drive are set right.

Good point! I had to go to the manufacturer's site to get the jumper settings to change from master to slave.

I can't get it to startup even in the safe mode. It sounds like an electric typewriter or like those old ticker tape machines. FUBAR......That's what it is! :bonk:

Any luck gettin' yoru data?

The Sheriff said, "I can't get it to startup even in the safe mode. It sounds like an electric typewriter or like those old ticker tape machines. FUBAR......"

Ya know, I just realized I might have to make a citzen's arrest here. :vfunny: Isn't FUBAR, being generally accepted as an acronym for a bad word, the same as saying "it's &%$#@* UP", and therefore against the new politically correct, no politics and no cussin' rules? :eek: EEK! I just realized how offended I am!

But, well, heck, I'm in a good mood today so I decided not to press charges. Heck, apparently even the best of 'em slip-up now and ag'in. Just some folks are more forgiving...

Any luck gettin' yoru data?

Too busy right now. I'll just hang onto the hardware for awhile. Have you been chatting in the chat room. It appears the newness has worn off. I go there all the time and it's empty. ;)

The Sheriff said, "I can't get it to startup even in the safe mode. It sounds like an electric typewriter or like those old ticker tape machines. FUBAR......"

Ya know, I just realized I might have to make a citzen's arrest here. :vfunny: Isn't FUBAR, being generally accepted as an acronym for a bad word, the same as saying "it's &%$#@* UP", and therefore against the new politically correct, no politics and no cussin' rules? :eek: EEK! I just realized how offended I am!

But, well, heck, I'm in a good mood today so I decided not to press charges. Heck, apparently even the best of 'em slip-up now and ag'in. Just some folks are more forgiving...

FUBAR.....Failed Under Banging And Rocking....Get your mind in a restful place.

"it's &%$#@* UP"......however, that clearly violates policy. A monkey never sees the length of his own tail. :vfunny:

FUBAR.....Failed Under Banging And Rocking....Get your mind in a restful place.

"it's &%$#@* UP"......however, that clearly violates policy. A monkey never sees the length of his own tail. :vfunny:

Sorry, I thought "it's messed up" would be okay. Are you sure your mind was in a restful place when you wrote? :biglaugh: :truce:

As for the chat room, went there once or twice but yesterday was too busy to do anything anywhere on the Cove. The regular forums are just easier for me to participate in since I'm up and do