Are you receiving compensation which correlates with the ASQ salary survey?

;)

I have not seen the survey, there may be others that have not. Where can it be found?

It's in the ASQ's most recent magazine issue. I realize that many visitors here may not have access to it not being a member of the ASQ, but I decided to do the poll anyway because of the discussion of it in another recent thread here.

Does anyone know if the survey is online?

The link requires one to be a member. It asks for ID and password. Thanks anyway. :(

Jim,

If you give me a few details, I'll look up the data for you and give you the basics...

The data comes in 7 sections:

1. Salary By Job Title
2. Salary by # of Years Experience in the Quality Field
3. Salary by Company Size & Location of HQ
4. Salary by Industrial Classification
5. Salary by Highest Level of Education
6. Salary by ASQ & RAB Cert.
7. Salary by $ix $igma Training

I'll look up any one or all if you like. Even post it private if you prefer.

Cheers!!!

For those of you who are members, the direct link to the survey is: http://www.asqnet.org/members/news/qualityprogress/2001/1201/salaryToc1201.html

I know what I bargained on, but I would like to know what the averages are. Actually any other information that you can turn up.:D The true motivator out side of family:thedeal:

Originally posted by Greg Maggard

I know what I bargained on, but I would like to know what the averages are. Actually any other information that you can turn up.:D The true motivator out side of family :thedeal:In the magazine there are a lot of different ways the data is presented. Michael T listed the main breakdowns above in hs post. If you get more specific, we can *try* to look up what you're looking for.

For example:
Salary by # of Years Experience in the Quality Field is broken down into 16 different categories (Job Titles). So - let's say you are a 'Manager' and you have 6 to 10 years experience. The mean is about US$66K and the median is about US$65K.

Now - all this said, on page 26 of Quality Progress there is a block at the bottom right of the page which states: "...Visit the ASQ's web site for more data from this year's salary survey...". I did visit the site a while ago, but I sorta got the info I was interested in from the rag and didn't scrutinize the stuff on their site. So - I can't say if there really is more information posted there than what is in the magazine or not. Maybe one of the others has taken a closer look and tell us whether its there really is more information than is in the magazine as the 'notice' in the magazine seems to imply. :thedeal:

Doesn't take into account, where you live. The difference, between living in South Carolina, and New York.???

Not as far as I can tell. But, I haven't really sat down and read through it. I admit - I did another poor survey. I should not have put in "...For My Location...". When I first breezed through it I made an assumption that there was some compensdation factor for location. There is:

3. Salary by Company Size & Location of HQ

But for location of Co HQ it ony gives 7 regions of the world. You've brought up a good point.

Having just been to an interview in Boston, I figured a net in Cincinnati which I would accept. But based upon what I think I'm worth - not the salary survey. I told them they'd have to meet the equivalent in Boston $. I used a number of relocation salary 'calculators' and based on US$65K in Cincy, they varied from US$85K to US$115K in Boston dollars. The relocation calculators were pretty neat. All were based upon housing costs, but a couple threw in state/local taxes and various other considerations. I can tell you one thing - living in Boston is NOT cheap.

But as to the survey, I'm guess that location is reflected to some degree in those figures which include the standard deviation. We need a statistics expert to weigh in here.

I did change the Poll wording. If anyone wants to change their vote, just let me know.

Marc

The information in the magazine is sort of useful. :D Similar to how useful a 3-inch brush is for working on a paint-by-number picture. :D

If you are an ASQ member and have access to them, the online data tables go into much greater detail for the USA, and nearly as much for Canada. The USA is broken down into nine regions for separate analysis, and a number of major metropolitan areas are also handled separately.

If I look at the data in the magazine, there is a big gap between the mean and my paycheck. If I look at the online data the gap is smaller (in 9 of 10 ways of slicing it). Now you just have to guess which side of the mean my paycheck is on ... :rolleyes:

(back after being away for too long,)

Graeme

Marc can you add a choice of "I get paid less than the paperboy"

:vfunny:

Done....

Way to keep the statement politically correct!

I was dating a gal and when college time came I worked and she went to college where we lived together. I did shopping, cleaning, cooking - you name it. She did school. All back in 1969 thru 1973. We broke up just after her graduation - that's when I went to college. I'm an old hand at equality of the sexes. It just didn't used to be the personal issue it has become to many. Yup - politically correct if you want to use the term. I was 'politically correct' when it comes girls 30 years ago. Nothing new.

Does any kind soul out there know how to get me a scanned copy of the survey please, I'm extremely interested in having a look at it.:rolleyes:

Further to the ASQ Survey: -

Must say, having read the survey (A task in itself) I must speak forward to say that, not taking into consideration the cost of living and various other elements that the survey doesn’t represent ENGLAND at all. As a contractor I have been in a position to work for many different organisations both large and small and take interest in their wage structures etc. I can safely state that here in ENGLAND we are paid on average (That takes into consideration 8 Quality Management roles, 25 Quality Engineers, 29 Quality Inspectors and 40 Quality Contractors/ Consultants) 24% more then yourselves!

This average however, equates to 4% less then the ENGLISH (Sorry BRITISH) national Average!

When you take into consideration that a 1 bedroom flat on the outskirts of London can retail at over £200 000 ($288,199.80) This pay increase is removed. But if, like me, you keep to the Northern (Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool and possibly the Southern edge of Scotland) Where a 5 Bedroom house will set you back £150 000 ($216,149.85) It makes more sense (If that made sense at all?)

Also, we are taxed 25% of our wage anyway! We are taxed 85% on fuel (Petrol and Diesel) So travelling from Manchester - Preston (80 Mile round trip) sets me back £9.60 per day, of which over £7.5 is tax! I will have to stop because I can get somewhat Irate and frustrated!

Lee (Very 'Naft' Off) Moffatt

In Poland, on average Quality Manager with experience >3 years gets between 1 000 - 1 500 $ monthly , so it is probably far less than in ASQ survey.

s.

Sebastian Szymanski said:

In Poland, on average Quality Manager with experience >3 years gets between 1 000 - 1 500 $ monthly , so it is probably far less than in ASQ survey.

s.
I'm sure the ASQ survey only addresses the US because it is the 'American' SQ. I don't think they go outside the US with respect to much other than standards such as ISO 9001.

Just reviewed the new (Dec. '02) survey. Now I'm depressed again (but I'll get over it!!). At least I'm still working, even though from the base of a mountain (job security???).

Bill

Well I did too. I actually fall pretty close to the averages. I found the job title definitions to be interesting. And yes I suppose we should be very grateful to have a job.

Rick

Are you receiving compensation which correlates with the ASQ salary survey?
I'm strippikng the 'old' Poll and starting a new one. For benchmark purposes, the standing of the 'Old Poll' when discontinued, is attached.

So - It's almost September 2003. How are you making out salary-wise?

Have things changed for you since last year?

I have to say mine is close. I don't really consider myself in the pure Quality field anymore, more of a process engineer, supplier developer, ISO coordinator, etc., etc, etc.

"Have things changed for you since last year?"

I got my first review as the "Quality Manager". I got cost of living raise, plus a small % merit/annual rainse. Boss is/was still happy with my work and dedication.

I have not seen the actual report, but I'm sure I'm way below for someone with my responsibilities, even though I technically don't have much experience or training. *shrug* I'm content for now...

Well, if you go by the title given to me I'm above the average. But if you match my duties to the descriptions given then I'm under. Oh well, nobody goes into the quality field for the money :vfunny:

Well, if you go by the title given to me I'm above the average. But if you match my duties to the descriptions given then I'm under. Oh well, nobody goes into the quality field for the money :vfunny:
That is how I see 'quality' and have for many years. One has to be a 'Jack of All Trades' to work in 'quality'. But, I guess, to the ASQ it's a difference of a CQE and a CQM.

A 'Quality Manager' (not to *mention* a Director of Quality) has to practically (if not) have a business degree in addition to technician skills. S/he has to be able to understand everything that's going on in everyone else's 'department' (if you will) and understand the interactions, etc. None of this is new...

This is part of the reason the 'Process Approach' to me is smoke and mirrors. Quality folks have always had to understand the interactions, measurements, etc. But one cannot force 'Upper Management' to listen if they have a mind not to even if the ship is sinking. Nor will ISO 9001:2000 achieve this.

I believe quality folks are worth a lot more than is classically attributed to them.

I have to say mine is close. I don't really consider myself in the pure Quality field anymore, more of a process engineer, supplier developer, ISO coordinator, etc., etc, etc.
My sentiments exactly!

I'm at the same salary as last year, last job, but am vastly ahead of the game because the benefits are cheaper and the bonus is much bigger. Plus at least I'm employed, which I couldn't say this time last year......

Due to lack of a professional certification and essentially zero experience in this particular field, I am probably overpaid according to the survey, because I make about what I remember seeing in the survey a few years back. But of course, I'm well worth every penny! :cool:

I answered the following ad:
QUALITY MANAGER Fast growing company looking for highly motivated individual to be in charge of entire quality operation. Interested individuals should have a minimum of 2 years experience in quality control and a strong understanding of QS & ISO. Wages & benefits DOE.

I have an interview tomorrow and am wondering what to expect. From what I've been able to determine about the company - they are a small secondary operation and research company for the powder metal industry.

I have the certification experience I was hired to implement ISO9001:2000 at my present job. After becoming certified, they also offered me the QM position which I declined for several reasons. I've worked in quality in the PM field for 20 years, but not in management (training and document control + some dimensional & metallurgical hands on experience). Am familiar with PPAPs, 8D, 5_Why and root cause analysis.

What skills should I emphasize and what salary should I expect if I am deemed adequate?

Thanks for your input,
Sue

I answered the following ad:
QUALITY MANAGER Fast growing company looking for highly motivated individual to be in charge of entire quality operation. Interested individuals should have a minimum of 2 years experience in quality control and a strong understanding of QS & ISO. Wages & benefits DOE.

I have an interview tomorrow and am wondering what to expect. From what I've been able to determine about the company - they are a small secondary operation and research company for the powder metal industry.

What skills should I emphasize and what salary should I expect if I am deemed adequate?

Thanks for your input,
SueI suspect this company is looking for an individual who has a lot of public relations finesse to go along with all the technical requirements.

I think the position will entail working primarily with customers to ensure everyone is on the same page with regard to quality requirements.

As a "research company" its customers will expect it to be experts and in many cases, "the final word" when it comes to presenting a final product.

As a secondary processor, a lot of work will entail "cooperating" with the folks who do the primary processing as well as with the folks who receive the finished product.

Sounds like a fun job.

Re: salary
Salary.com has a listing
Quality Generalist Manager (Manufacturing)
Administers quality policies and procedures that cover two or more functional areas in the quality job family. Ensures employees in functional areas follow established procedures and generate finished work product under time and budgetary constraints and ensures product yields the expected outcome and meets established quality levels. Requires a bachelor's degree and 7-10 years of experience in the field or in a related area. Familiar with standard concepts, practices, and procedures within a particular field. Relies on extensive experience and judgment to plan and accomplish goals. Performs a variety of complex tasks. A certain degree of creativity and latitude is required. Typically reports to a unit/department head.

The salary breakdown seems to be much higher than many guys in my Chicago ASQ section are getting for similar job function. Who do you believe?
ASQ salary survey is from ASQ members. As you can tell from general Cover responses, all people in Quality are not ASQ, just as all doctors are not AMA.

I'd take the Salary.com pay level in a heartbeat, which tells me it may not be realistic.

"I work for no man..."

The salary breakdown seems to be much higher than many guys in my Chicago ASQ section are getting for similar job function. Who do you believe?
ASQ salary survey is from ASQ members. As you can tell from general Cover responses, all people in Quality are not ASQ, just as all doctors are not AMA.

I'd take the Salary.com pay level in a heartbeat, which tells me it may not be realistic.

I looked at the Quality Digest salary breakdown and thought it looked high for this area (rural PA). Am I looking at $35,000 to $40,000 per year?

I've been using this survey for years to keep my salary in check with the norms by showing my employers what is typical for my experience, certification, position, etc. At times I've been above the average (especially with bonuses), and at times I've been below the average. Right now I'm about even.

I looked at the Quality Digest salary breakdown and thought it looked high for this area (rural PA). Am I looking at $35,000 to $40,000 per year?
Based on some of the surveys I've seen and some people I know I would add about $20,000 to that, or you could split the difference. I don't know about your area specifically, but around here there are quality inspectors making 35 to 40.

I've worked in quality in the PM field for 20 years, but not in management (training and document control + some dimensional & metallurgical hands on experience). Am familiar with PPAPs, 8D, 5_Why and root cause analysis.

What skills should I emphasize and what salary should I expect if I am deemed adequate?
Just curious, which PM companies have you worked for? I worked at 3 myself over the last few years? I might know some contacts you can use.
:thedeal:

Hi tarheel,

I've replied to you by email concerning your inquiry.

Sue

I know what I bargained on, but I would like to know what the averages are. Actually any other information that you can turn up.:D The true motivator out side of family:thedeal:

Glad to see other people struggled as I did with the wage issue. Third time poster. First time poster as TS16949 Coordinator. I accepted the position.

"What now?" she said warily. Any hints or suggestions? I have 8 days before I am in my new position. No need to "hurry."


Thanks way in advance.

First of all, congratulations!

You have 8 days before you start reading every single document in the current system. I suggest that you take time at first to review documents and systems. :read: Perform a system wide audit to see where the weak areas are and start there. If there is no system established, make a quick and simple manual, audit step by step (take very good notes), and develop the procedures and other documents from there, review with managment and departments, make changes, review again, implement. Keep it all simple.

Good luck.

I have increased my salary with the 5th plant I have successfully involved myself with in reguards to Registration to ISO9001, ISO9002, QS9000, Grean Partner and TS16949:2002. I'm at the 50K mark........

I feel that I can pull more now that the Major OEM's going for TS16949:2002
The reason is the market has not been flooded with the new TS auditors as of yet........The wave is coming!!!!!! Europe first. :lol:

As some of you know, I am no longer a "Quality Manager" as of 18 months ago. I am now in the HS&E dept as a "Safety Specialist". But even when I was a brand new quality manager with no experience and now a brand new safety specialist (ditto ), I would not consider a job paying less than 50K. You guys have got to be crazy! Even an administrator (formerly known as a secretary) gets in the 40's!

Let me see....you put up with snow, bugs, exorbitant home prices, state income tax, sales tax on food, etc. and you make even less than here???? That makes no sense. How does that happen? (oh, and I guess I shouldn't rub it in that we get every-other Friday off... :yes: ) Maybe it's the heat. Makes all of us crazy, including our bosses.. :cool:

Lucinda,

Glad to see you again. It is nice to hear your job is going well. I hope you and your daughter are both okay. Stop by more often -- we miss ya.

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