Does anybody know how many mandays it would take, to grade up to ISO/TS 16949?
Our company is QS9000 & VDA 6.1 certified and there are still working 800 employees?
Thank you.

16949 is essentially QS9000 with some odds and ends, including some VDA6.1. You will have to make a matrix to compare but I would bet you that there will be little you will have to do to satisfy TS16949. Sorry I can't give you a mandays figure without a gap analysis.

Hi:

I need someone to correct me if I am wrong in understanding the Number of Man days for the organizsation with Employees totalling about 2500. The way I understand, the number of mandays should be 18 for TS 16949:2002. But the company I know is being audited for 45 mandays?

They are going for ISO 9K2 and TS 16949 with multiple sites (incl. some off sites).

Is 45 days reasonable for 2500 employees size?

Thank you

Hi:

I need someone to correct me if I am wrong in understanding the Number of Man days for the organizsation with Employees totalling about 2500. The way I understand, the number of mandays should be 18 for TS 16949:2002. But the company I know is being audited for 45 mandays?

They are going for ISO 9K2 and TS 16949 with multiple sites (incl. some off sites).

Is 45 days reasonable for 2500 employees size?

Thank you

Sounds unreasonable to me. Of course it all depends on how the audit plan is developed. For example 8 days is required for 250 employee, conceivably you could have 10 site at 8 days each for 80 days. of course you get a 70% reduction with 10 to 19 sites.
IMO, familiarize your self with the "certification scheme" and get multiple quotes. (at least 10)

My list - it's old - shows 18 man days for 2500 people for a registration audit.

Thank you for the response.

But is there a MATHEMATICAL formula to calc Audit days based on various parameters such as Sites, Remote Location etc.

I saw one example at AIOB.org but no clear formula


regards,
Quality-1

Sidney might know. I think he's gone for a few days, but I'll move this thread to the Registrar forum so he'll see it. Maybe someone else knows more.

Annex 3 in " Rules for achieving IATF recognition " states for 2001-4000 employees es 18 day on initial audit.

Now are these 45 days applied only to one facility or are applied to several facilities?

Requierement 7 in same annex 3 states " entity means site and supporting functions remote or not. The number of employees es the total of those on site AND in supporting activities "

May be you should get in touch with your CB and have this matter cleared right away!

Thank you---

I did contact CB and got clarification. But I like to see exactly the Formula being used. They just referred AIOB

regards,
Quality-1

Thank you---

I did contact CB and got clarification. But I like to see exactly the Formula being used. They just referred AIOB

regards,
Quality-1

The "formula" is found on page 7 of the certification scheme.

Hi Sam:

Where I can find: "Certification Scheme"

regards,
Quality-1

Please disregard my previous post. I was able to find "certification scheme".

Thanks

Please disregard my previous post. I was able to find "certification scheme".

Thanks

AIAG has the certification scheme document.

Pls reffer to the follow refference for audit mandays of initial audit:
Col 1:Number of Employees Col 2: Documentation Review and Audit Planning(Auditor days) Col 3: On Site Audit Time(Auditor days and report writing)Col 4:Total Auditor Time forInitial Audit(Auditor days) =Col 2+3
1-10/ 0.5/ 1.5/ 2/....
11-25/ 0.5/ 2.5/ 3/...
26-45/ 0.5/ 3.5/ 4/...
46-65/ 0.5/ 4.5/ 5/...
66-85/ 0.5/ 5.5/ 6/....
86-125/ 1/ 6/ 7/...
126-175/ 1/ 7/ 8/....
176-275/ 1/ 8/ 9/....
276-425/ 1/ 9/ 10/....
426-625/ 1 / 10 /11.....
626-875/ 1/ 11/ 12/....
876-1175 / 1.5/ 11.5/ 13/....
1176-1550/ 1.5/ 12.5/ 14/....
1551-2025/ 1.5/ 13.5/ 15/....
2026-2675/ 1.5/ 14.5/ 16/