It is the farthest thing from my mind. I have just started to play golf again so that has my attention right now. I just bought the new Taylor Made R7 CGB Max men's regular graphite irons. I can't use women's clubs because I'll lose too much distance. I have a fast swing speed for a girl (80-86mph). So, I've got 2 tee times for Memorial day weekend! :biglaugh: Of course, on Tuesday, when I come back to work I will probably be really sore. :(

It is the farthest thing from my mind. I have just started to play golf again so that has my attention right now. I just bought the new Taylor Made R7 CGB Max men's regular graphite irons. I can't use women's clubs because I'll lose too much distance. I have a fast swing speed for a girl (80-86mph). So, I've got 2 tee times for Memorial day weekend! :biglaugh: Of course, on Tuesday, when I come back to work I will probably be really sore. :(


I have found that my blood pressure and general well being greatly improve if I spend my woods and water time sans woods and irons.

To each their own.

I have found that my blood pressure and general well being greatly improve if I spend my woods and water time sans woods and irons.

:lmao: :biglaugh:

It is the farthest thing from my mind. I have just started to play golf again so that has my attention right now. I just bought the new Taylor Made R7 CGB Max men's regular graphite irons. I can't use women's clubs because I'll lose too much distance. I have a fast swing speed for a girl (80-86mph). So, I've got 2 tee times for Memorial day weekend! :biglaugh: Of course, on Tuesday, when I come back to work I will probably be really sore. :(

Some of my better fishing has come at a golf course! Just have to remember to catch and release, because of the chemicals used for keeping up the course.

I actually like golf also, it's just that I don't play very well :lol: . A supplier took me to a scramble tournament this week. It was a lot of fune, but we came in last (1 over par). All 4 of us won a free round of golf at that course: I guess they figured we needed the practice :biglaugh: . Your clubs sound pretty nice. I've been using borrowed clubs for 15 years now, so I finally bought some last week. Found a set of used Ping Eye 2 irons on ebay for $127, and a Calloway driver for $32. They played pretty well, for the money.

Oh yeah, the boat is running, and I'm fishing again. Woohooh!!!!

I have never gone hunting or fishing. But, if I had to choose it would be hunting. I actually own a Les Baer handgun - it's a .45. It's called the Thunder Ranch Special. :) I have a holster on order with Lou Alessi. He's a really terrific guy and holster-maker. I've been emailing-chatting with him that last 2 days to check on my order which may be due in 2-3 weeks. He's so busy that he ran out of leather! He's been supplying the military non-stop. So, it's hard to get a holster from him right now. I've been waiting a few months and it will be worth it. :)

I have never gone hunting or fishing. But, if I had to choose it would be hunting. I actually own a Les Baer handgun - it's a .45. It's called the Thunder Ranch Special. :) I have a holster on order with Lou Alessi. He's a really terrific guy and holster-maker. I've been emailing-chatting with him that last 2 days to check on my order which may be due in 2-3 weeks. He's so busy that he ran out of leather! He's been supplying the military non-stop. So, it's hard to get a holster from him right now. I've been waiting a few months and it will be worth it. :)


Lee, how often do you shoot it? Although I am not familiar with the Thunder Ranch Special, I have definitely heard of Alessi. Is the pistol like the Colt 1911A (Colt.45 military sidearm)?

Lee, how often do you shoot it? Although I am not familiar with the Thunder Ranch Special, I have definitely heard of Alessi. Is the pistol like the Colt 1911A (Colt.45 military sidearm)?

Funny you should ask. I was shooting every weekend right after I bought it in Jan or Feb? I shot so many rounds early on that I bruised the thumb bone to where I could not hold the gun in my hand and it is just getting back to normal in the last 2 months. I'm ready to go back though. I am planning on taking Handgun Combat lessons as soon as the holster (Model: CQC-S) arrives. (need the holster - a requirement for the class.) I want to go to Thunder Ranch but it's out of state and I absolutely hate travelling. So, I'll end up going local.

Oops, Yes it is a 1911.

Funny you should ask. I was shooting every weekend right after I bought it in Jan or Feb? I shot so many rounds early on that I bruised the thumb bone to where I could not hold the gun in my hand and it is just getting back to normal in the last 2 months. I'm ready to go back though. I am planning on taking Handgun Combat lessons as soon as the holster (Model: CQC-S) arrives. (need the holster - a requirement for the class.) I want to go to Thunder Ranch but it's out of state and I absolutely hate travelling. So, I'll end up going local.

Oops, Yes it is a 1911.


Sweet. I noticed you are in CA. How much trouble is it to get the necessary carry permits, etc.?

Sweet. I noticed you are in CA. How much trouble is it to get the necessary carry permits, etc.?

My hubby says it depends on the city!! Los Angeles is very hard, San Francisco is darn near impossible. The class we want to take qualifies for a permit from what my hubby says.

My gun was originally a blue finish (see attached photo) - it is at Les Baer right now and I am having him change it to hard chrome. It should return about the same time as the holster. The hard-chrome is easier to maintain - won't show as much scuff marks. Plus, I am having the trigger changed - it will have 3 holes in it (looks pretty) rather a solid trigger. Having the sights checked/adjusted too.

Its amazing how the laws very. If I was to go out into the parking lot here and look in each of the vehicles I would be surprised if <75% did not have a firearm of some sort. Of course because of that if I really was to go out into the lot, well...

Anyway I think some of that may be the fact that we are rural, and there are rattlesnakes and the like afoot. There are also the occasional rabid animals as well as wild hogs. I have heard stories from other places about hogs being aggressive, but have yet to hear about that here, except for when they are cornered. Frankly in my experience they run at the first sign of anything that could remotely be a threat.

We very rarely have people shoot each other, and often when it does happen those involved "...ain't from around here..." as the saying goes.

My gun was originally a blue finish - it is at Les Baer right now and I am having him change it to hard chrome. It should return about the same time as the holster. The hard-chrome is easier to maintain - won't show as much scuff marks. Plus, I am having the trigger changed - it will have 3 holes in it (looks pretty) rather a solid trigger. Having the sights adjusted/changed too.


It's funny that you mention the trigger. When I looked at the picture you posted, I thought how great that pistol would look with one of those custom triggers with three holes in it. Why not post a picture of the pistol and holster when you get them back? I am sure there are several of us who would love to see them.

It's funny that you mention the trigger. When I looked at the picture you posted, I thought how great that pistol would look with one of those custom triggers with three holes in it. Why not post a picture of the pistol and holster when you get them back? I am sure there are several of us who would love to see them.

Well, I have a picture of my hubby's gun. It is not the Thunder Ranch but it is a Les Baer 1911 - basically looks the same and same caliber. He had his hard-chromed first and the sights changed and the trigger changed. So, mine will look darn close to his. He changed his grips to a custom fancy wood. I will keep my Thunder Ranch logo grips. The holster will be identical to the one I already posted - but in Black. I will post again when both are received.

Lee, that is one nice pistol! I like the trigger AND the hammer especially. If it shoots half as good as it looks (and I suspect it might shoot even better) its a heck of a nice piece.

You have me wanting to go to the range now. Maybe this weekend...

Lee, that is one nice pistol! I like the trigger AND the hammer especially. If it shoots half as good as it looks (and I suspect it might shoot even better) its a heck of a nice piece.

You have me wanting to go to the range now. Maybe this weekend...

Thank you! Hubby's model is the Premier II Super-Tac. It does shoot that good and better...Les Baer guarantees accuracy inside of 3" at 50yds. Mine is the same guarantee. You can pay to have 1" guarantee modification to your gun - extra $100 to $300? Their website is: www.lesbaer.com
I attached a photo of my TRS with the original blue finish in my post above... Blue vs Hard Chrome
Lee

Hi all,

Can anyone recommend a good air rifle? I've been leaning towards a Gamo although I would like to hear from anyone who has a 1,000+ fps air rifle.

Thanks!

Hi all,

Can anyone recommend a good air rifle? I've been leaning towards a Gamo although I would like to hear from anyone who has a 1,000+ fps air rifle.

Thanks!

Check out Savage's air rifles. Good quality and accurate.

Wayne

Thanks Wayne, I didn't know Savage made air rifles. Would it be safe to assume that you have one? If you do can you give me some details about it?

:thanks:

Added: Just did a google search and couldn't find any Savage air guns?

The golf discussion is split off to Golf - The Golfers Thread (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=17887).

Thanks Wayne, I didn't know Savage made air rifles. Would it be safe to assume that you have one? If you do can you give me some details about it?

:thanks:

Added: Just did a google search and couldn't find any Savage air guns?

I have a very nice Crosman 2250B I've had for a number of years. It is a CO2 'pistol' with a short rifle butt and a long barrel. I put my own scope on it and keep the starlings away with it. It's good for about 15 yards, but I have never really sighted the scope in properly.

What an interesting thread! I hadn't given a thought about "air rifles" since my first Daisy Red Ryder about 55 years ago! (I immediately graduated to a single shot Remington .22 and a .410 shotgun with a modified stock to fit the small child I was back then.)

A little research on the web came up with this monster http://www.airgundepot.com/airforce-talon-afu1004c.html at a price to rival a lot of .30 caliber and 9mm rifles at my local gun dealer.

I can imagine these powerful beasts used for REAL sniping at relatively close (and silent) range!

What an interesting thread! I hadn't given a thought about "air rifles" since my first Daisy Red Ryder about 55 years ago! (I immediately graduated to a single shot Remington .22 and a .410 shotgun with a modified stock to fit the small child I was back then.)

A little research on the web came up with this monster http://www.airgundepot.com/airforce-talon-afu1004c.html at a price to rival a lot of .30 caliber and 9mm rifles at my local gun dealer.

I can imagine these powerful beasts used for REAL sniping at relatively close (and silent) range!

There are a lot of choices for these adult air rifles and getting a good one seems to be a challenge. I had bought one 3 weeks ago, a Remington, it did not perform very well at all. At 15 yards the pellets were tumbling and it seriously affected the accuracy.

I have seen price ranges from $130 to $3,700, I'm looking for something around $200 or so. I'll probably end up going with a Gamo as I have read a couple of reviews that said these guns perform very well with the correct pellets (they can be pellet "fussy").

I do have a nice collection of guns, a couple of .22's, four shotguns, muzzle loaders and some high power rifles (my favorite a .243). The choice to get a air rifle came after shooting a high end Beeman, we were shooting at 50+ yards in 1" groups although this gun was in the $650 range.:nope:

As far as being silent, they are not. You can definitly tell when the pellet breaks the sound barrier!:yes: You can get them with silencers though.

Thanks Wayne, I didn't know Savage made air rifles. Would it be safe to assume that you have one? If you do can you give me some details about it?


I got mine about 8-10 years ago. I checked and apparently they cut sales off shortly thereafter. They used to listed in their catalog. It seems they weren't actually made by Savage but just branded as such. I guess sales weren't there.


Wayne

Well, folks, another deer season is upon us (along with other hunting opening days as well). I spent our opening day of archery season, last Saturday, out of town at a wedding. Since the event was in Destin, FL, though, it was not all bad. I did do some hunting yesterday, come to think of it. Trying to find my way out of Middle-of-nowhere Alabama when I got real lost. (Note to self: Never try to read Mapquest directions backwards).

Anyway, wanted to bring the thread to the forefront so that those who have been around remember it, and the new folks will know it exists. Happy hunting!

The only hunting I do is underwater, with a spear gun that's taller than I am. Great fun, and always a great day just swimming around and admiring the sea even when you're not seeing anything you choose to spear.

Hunting and fishing as well as camping and hiking is a nice way to spend some time with nature and enjoying the day (or days) go by without a care in the world. :D

Dimitri

Hunting and fishing as well as camping and hiking is a nice way to spend some time with nature and enjoying the day (or days) go by without a care in the world. :D

Dimitri

I went to a funeral in Daytona Beach last Friday. We got up early Saturday and fished from the bank on the Intercoastal Waterway for 3 hours or so. We caught one fish between us. So what. It was about as relaxing as it gets, sitting back and watching the birds do all of the work.

I went to a funeral in Daytona Beach last Friday. We got up early Saturday and fished from the bank on the Intercoastal Waterway for 3 hours or so. We caught one fish between us. So what. It was about as relaxing as it gets, sitting back and watching the birds do all of the work.

No fish, One fish, 100 fish its all the same at the end of the day if you went fishing for the right reasons. :cool:

Dimitri

No fish, One fish, 100 fish its all the same at the end of the day if you went fishing for the right reasons. :cool:

Dimitri

Yep :agree1:

I might as well put in my :2cents: worth! 2lb and 4lb "fishing thread" is my greatest relaxation - I use it for beading!!! :lmao: Fireline is the best thread around and least subject to fraying by rough bead edges. :applause:

As I recall, some of the nicest and most instructive fishing days of my life did not include catching "keepers." My fellow musky fisher folk well know the concept of the "fish of ten thousand casts!" There was a period from the time I was sixteen until my early thirties my right arm had every diameter from 1/2 inch to an inch bigger than the left.

I also get a lot of fun fishing for panfish and bullheads with the grandkids.

As I recall, some of the nicest and most instructive fishing days of my life did not include catching "keepers." My fellow musky fisher folk well know the concept of the "fish of ten thousand casts!" There was a period from the time I was sixteen until my early thirties my right arm had every diameter from 1/2 inch to an inch bigger than the left.

I also get a lot of fun fishing for panfish and bullheads with the grandkids.

Yeah, sometimes its nice when the fish don't bother me at all. Then there are the days when they are biting so hard and fast you can't set the pole down for a second to take a sip. I love it either way.

I usually go fishing with someone. At first I just stick a pole into a rod holder and read a good book or something relaxing. THEN, if the fish are biting....well, you know, the real throw the line, get a strike kind of biting, I might go ahead and put a hook and some bait on and toss the line out.

I am really a lazy fisherperson. If I had to rely on what I caught, I'd have died of starvation years ago. To me it is the fresh air, the good company, and nature all around. Speaking of which, the herring should be running soon. That will bring the fishers out of the woodwork.

All I have to do is go out my back door and walk down to my dock for some of the best bass fishing in the world (St. John's River, Florida)

I am looking forward to the fising season this year. I missed out of most of last year after losing my fishing buddy to cancer. Just didn't mean the same to me for a while. :( One thing for me, it has to be a nice catch for me to keep it. I mostly just enjoy being near the water and close to nature. Don't get me wrong, I love those days when all you do is bait, take fish off, and rebait. Gotta love those days!!:biglaugh:

I went fishing out of Steinhatchee FL last weekend. Its been years since I have been out of the sight of land, and I had forgotten how beautiful the sea is. It was nice to get away with my Dad and two brothers.

We fished with Richard Taylor (Jo Jo), aboard his 28' Twin Vee cat, powered by a pair of 4 stroke Suzukis. We almost limited out on Grouper, having to throw several back that were under the 22" limit. I also missed a good one (rats!). We also caught several fish of other species.

I was worn out Saturday evening when we got back. Does anyone else get out salt water fishing?

I love to fish. Most of my fishing is done in the backwaters of Florida rivers and the Everglades. I usually fish every Wednesday night after work with friends and one Saturday a month we go exploring. We fish ATW (Anywhere there's water). We fish only out of kayaks or wade fish.

Doug

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m15/w4jdz/river15.jpg

DEEP THOUGHTS BY MEN WHILE FISHING

Two men are out ice fishing at their favorite fishing hole, just fishing quietly and drinking beer.

Almost silently, so as not to scare the fish, Mel says, "I think I'm going to divorce my wife - she hasn't spoken to me in over 2 months."

Earl continues slowly sipping his beer, then thoughtfully says, "You better think it over - women like that are hard to find."

DEEP THOUGHTS BY MEN WHILE FISHING

Two men are out ice fishing at their favorite fishing hole, just fishing quietly and drinking beer.

Almost silently, so as not to scare the fish, Mel says, "I think I'm going to divorce my wife - she hasn't spoken to me in over 2 months."

Earl continues slowly sipping his beer, then thoughtfully says, "You better think it over - women like that are hard to find."

:mg:boo-hiss ok, i'll admit I laughed (on the inside)

Four married guys go fishing. After an hour, the following conversation took place. First guy: " You have no idea what I had to do to be able to come out fishing this weekend. I had to promise my wife that I will paint every room in the house next weekend." Second guy: " that's nothing, I had to promise my wife that I will build her a new deck for the pool." Third guy: " Man, you both have it easy! I had to promise my wife that I will remodel the kitchen for her." They continue to fish when they realized that the fourth guy has not said a word. So they asked him. You haven't said anything about what you had to do to be able to come fishing this weekend. " What's the deal?" Fourth guy: " I just set my alarm for 5:30 am. When it went off, I shut off my alarm, gave the wife a nudge and said, " Fishing or Sex" and she said..." Wear a Sweater." :lol:

Didn't think I would ever post on this thread...but...

Up until last week, the biggest fish I ever caught was an 8" Cropie. Last week, I went deep sea fishing off Cabo San Lucas in Mexico, and caught a 6 foot Marlin. Wow, what a blast. No wonder you guys like fishing...:D

Didn't think I would ever post on this thread...but...

Up until last week, the biggest fish I ever caught was an 8" Cropie. Last week, I went deep sea fishing off Cabo San Lucas in Mexico, and caught a 6 foot Marlin. Wow, what a blast. No wonder you guys like fishing...:D

Marflin fishing off of Cabo San Lucas? Now THAT's fishing. Always wanted to go. Maybe one day...

Chumming for sharks while fishing is not my idea of fun. I am more of the "find a quiet stream with some nice trout to catch and release" type of fisherman. Plan to retire in Sept to the state of Wa and try a little fishing up there. Wife or no wife, job or no job, home or no home, we must fish.:)

I'm a girl, but I suppose mans like fishing so much because they get sick of ESPN and beer. lol :) :D

I'm a girl, but I suppose mans like fishing so much because they get sick of ESPN and beer. lol :) :D

That and the peace and quiet.

:rolleyes:

That and the peace and quiet.

:rolleyes:

Which kinda brings us full circle to Ralphsulser's Post #538 above :lmao::notme:

Okay hunters.....This will be my first rifle. I am interested in the Henry Repeating Big Boy .45 colt lever-action rifle. I was wondering if anyone has used one of these or another Henry? I am only going to take it to an indoor range - nothing outdoors around here. I have heard that Henry makes the smoothest lever-action. My only problem is I am right handed and sight with the left eye so I'll be lookin' through the sight differently than most people. I'm wondering if that will be an issue as well. Any opinions? Comments? Suggestions? :thanx:

Not sure if shooting it left handed will effect the sights much, I'd be more worried about the brass being ejected. Unless you mean you hold the rifle on your right sholder and tilt it so you can see the sights with your left eye. In which case I really don't have a clue, never did that myself. :)

It seems like a nice little carbine, would consider one but the rifle I've ordered thats coming in January is quite abit of money and wont be able to justify another one for a while. :biglaugh:

Dimitri

Not sure if shooting it left handed will effect the sights much, I'd be more worried about the brass being ejected. Unless you mean you hold the rifle on your right sholder and tilt it so you can see the sights with your left eye. In which case I really don't have a clue, never did that myself. :)

It seems like a nice little carbine, would consider one but the rifle I've ordered thats coming in January is quite abit of money and wont be able to justify another one for a while. :biglaugh:

Dimitri

Yep - I would hold in the right shoulder and sight with the left eye. Case ejection is no problem. I guess I would be fine. This little carbine is about $700-$800 I suppose. Not too bad.

I'm going to have to try that when I'm on the range next time. Seems like it would be interesting to hold it like that.

One question though, if your holding it like that the bullet drop compensation of a scope or iron sights wouldn't work all that well, how do you deal with that ?? :confused:

Dimitri

I'm going to have to try that when I'm on the range next time. Seems like it would be interesting to hold it like that.

One question though, if your holding it like that the bullet drop compensation of a scope or iron sights wouldn't work all that well, how do you deal with that ?? :confused:

Dimitri

I don't have a rifle yet - so I don't know what trouble I am getting myself into!! :lol: That is why I asked here. The Big Boy does not come with a scope but one could be added. Not sure about that either.

I don't have a rifle yet - so I don't know what trouble I am getting myself into!! :lol: That is why I asked here. The Big Boy does not come with a scope but one could be added. Not sure about that either.

This your first rifle ?? :confused:

Dimitri

This your first rifle ?? :confused:

Dimitri

YEP!!! I only have a Les Baer 1911 Custom handgun right now.

YEP!!! I only have a Les Baer 1911 Custom handgun right now.

Your on a slippery slope, it starts first with one, then with 2, next thing you know your going to need a new gunsafe. :lol:

Maybe you'd want to try simply holding it on your left sholder, thats what I'd do, its not too difficult, I practice shooting opposite side at times just for kicks, and with practice you'll be shooting just as good as you would be shooting with your right shoulder.

I myself am right handed but left eye dominate, but over the years I've simply gotten used to shooting right handed. I can focus on the sights with my right eye and not have my left eye take over when I'm shooting.

I'm only on 3 rifles myself, but I'm young. So thats my story and I'm sticking to it! :cool:

Dimitri

Your on a slippery slope, it starts first with one, then with 2, next thing you know your going to need a new gunsafe. :lol:
Dimitri

Thanks. I'll stay right handed. Hopefully, someone has a Henry and can tell me how much they like it....

Well...

I cannot speak about the Henry, other than it has a long history, but I don't think the present rifle has a direct lineage (think Indian scooters). For that kind of money I can suggest some interesting alternatives. But...

What, exactly, are you looking for in this particular rifle?

As far as the "cross eyed" shooting goes, it would take some research to shoot right handed, but have you ever thought about shooting lefty? It would make things easier later on if you decide to go to bigger rifles. I would not for $10,000 try to shoot my 7mmSTW looking over with my left eye. Not only would I not hit what I was shooting at, there is a good chance I would get an unintended and very embarassing tatoo.

Have you thought about something like a Marlin 30-30? Or a Ruger 10-22, or even the vaunted 10-44 (If you see one for sale at a reasonable price let me know)? You could likely buy both the Marlin and the 10-22 for not much more than the price of the Henry.

Even better, start with the 10-22 (less than $200) and find out how much you like rifle shooting. Even if you progress beyond that rilfe, believe me, there are LOTS of great rifle folks who still have, and love to shoot, one of those 10-22s.

As far as my experience goes, I have 6 or 7 rifles right now, but 4 of those are historic pieces that will not be fired by me ever. Over the years I have fired lots of rifles. I admit to being partial to Rugers, mostly, but my main squeezer right now is the Remington 7MM STW. My main advice is to decide what it is, exactly, you want to do with your first rifle purchase, and go from there.

Oh, wear ear protection, and welcome to a great hobby!

Well...
What, exactly, are you looking for in this particular rifle?

As far as the "cross eyed" shooting goes, it would take some research to shoot right handed, but have you ever thought about shooting lefty? It would make things easier later on if you decide to go to bigger rifles. I would not for $10,000 try to shoot my 7mmSTW looking over with my left eye. Not only would I not hit what I was shooting at, there is a good chance I would get an unintended and very embarassing tatoo.

Oh, wear ear protection, and welcome to a great hobby!

I only want a "cowboy" rifle. Nothing too big and powerful - just not interested. If I shoot lefty, won't I have to worry about the cartridge ejection? Or is that an issue? I have thought of the Marlin 1894 rifle, the Uberti, and other similar cowboy rifles. I always wear eye and ear protection! Even purchased not-your-ordinary equipment for that. I have my own Dillon reloading press too. :tg: But I will need to buy new dies, etc for the new rifle.

I only want a "cowboy" rifle. Nothing too big and powerful - just not interested. If I shoot lefty, won't I have to worry about the cartridge ejection? Or is that an issue? I have thought of the Marlin 1894 rifle, the Uberti, and other similar cowboy rifles. I always wear eye and ear protection! Even purchased not-your-ordinary equipment for that. I have my own Dillon reloading press too. :tg: But I will need to buy new dies, etc for the new rifle.

Ok, not into the Cowboy shooting thing, but I have been to an event, and it looks fun. Horses and I don't do too well.

I have a single action .44 mag six shot pistol that would work, if you are interested,,,

Ejection is certainly an issue, to the point that I would not advise shooting a right handed lever action lefty. Another type of burning tatoo may be the painful result.

Wish we had this conversation a couple of months ago. I could have acquired for you a real Remington lever action made in 1903 for about $150. It needed some work, but for what you are talking about it would have been perfect.

I just have a problem with the Henry and Sharps available now, especially with the gold looking plating. There are true "cowboy" era rifles around for less than what the repros are selling for. Let me suggest that you find one (if you like I can help) and use it. In the process you will be using, and keeping, a part of our history. That's what cowboy shooting is all about, isn't it?

Hope this helps.

I have a single action .44 mag six shot pistol that would work, if you are interested.

I just have a problem with the Henry and Sharps available now, especially with the gold looking plating.
Hope this helps.

What about a Marlin (no brass) or Winchester? What is wrong with shiny brass? I already have a handgun I used to own a six-shooter - a S&W .357 Magnum with a 6" barrel. Loved it but got bored. I now have a Les Baer 1911 Thunder Ranch Special. Changed it to hard chrome exterior. Sweet handgun.

What about a Marlin (no brass) or Winchester? What is wrong with shiny brass? I already have a handgun I used to own a six-shooter - a S&W .357 Magnum with a 6" barrel. Loved it but got bored. I now have a Les Baer 1911 Thunder Ranch Special. Changed it to hard chrome exterior. Sweet handgun.

Looking at old pictures of real cowboys, how many had brass? The Winchester and Remingtons from that era, and a little later, are available, and for not too much money, but the price is going up. The new Henerys are, IMO, going to depreciate as soon as you buy them. A vintage Winchester will at least keep its value, and, again, IMHO, is a much cooler iron to shoot. Also. you will be preserving a real piece of history. And shooting a real piece of history. Not to mention that some of those were very nice shooters.

There is a Marlin lever action, today the 39A, that traces its lineage to 1897 (I think, without looking up the actual date). I have shot one of the later versions, and if I had to live off of what I could shoot with that, I'd be ok.

What I would want is a cool vintage Winchester or Remington or Marlin (and there were others) lever action, bought reasonably and gone over by a competent gunsmith.

I remember seeing your 1911, and it is nice. What we are talking about here is nowhere nearly as high tech, but they can be VERY fun to shoot.

Uhoh, I may have messed up by putting my frame of reference into the situation.

If what you are looking at is getting into Cowboy shooting, the Henry would fill the bill in that case. But, there are some "slide" rifles (I would call them pumps, like the shotguns) that are repros from the era, and should be rare enough to be way cool. Is this the Utica you were talking about? I have fired 1 or 2 rifles like this and they were fun. They seem to be rare enough that you would not "see yourself coming and going" like I suspect you would see with the Henry.

I say this because there are different "cliques" within shooting, and while I think an old Marlin or Winchester would be cool, the Cowboy shooters may not think so.

Again, what do you want to do with this purchase?

Winchester lever actions Eject upwards, so unless you got a big head like me it shouldn't be hitting you with the brass no matter what left or right handed shooting. :tg:

Dimitri

Looking at old pictures of real cowboys, how many had brass?

I'm a girl...shiny brass is purrrty! :o;) Now, I'm leaning towards the engraved Henry Big Boy .44 mag.
I saw a John Wayne cowboy rifle for $2k - but I could never shoot it. Now that would not be fun.

I'm a girl...shiny brass is purrrty! :o;) Now, I'm leaning towards the engraved Henry Big Boy .44 mag.
I saw a John Wayne cowboy rifle for $2k - but I could never shoot it. Now that would not be fun.

Looks like a very nice walnut stock, too.

Will you be able to go to a gun store and handle one before you buy (as opposed to ordering over the 'net)? The reason I ask is that it would be very nice to see if the stock is too long or short, or if it is too heavy, etc. My favorite rifles just "fit" me, but someone else might think they are plain awful to shoot.

It is a fine looking rifle. If you get one, I hope you enjoy it!

Looks like a very nice walnut stock, too.

Will you be able to go to a gun store and handle one before you buy (as opposed to ordering over the 'net)?

Yeah, I can try and hold one similar to it before I buy. My local store sells through the website www.galleryofguns.com - they have a lifetime replacement guarantee too.

Fishing is not about catching fish. It's about life balance!

Fishing is not about catching fish. It's about life balance!"Life balance" is what we old-timers refer to as "sitting around quietly with your buddies, drinking beer".:beerdive:

Ya Icy, but after a few beers the silence is usually shattered:notme:


Great year for ice. We'll be testing it this weekend. Hope the beer...ah...fish cooperate:rolleyes:

Ya Icy, but after a few beers the silence is usually shattered:notme:


Great year for ice. We'll be testing it this weekend. Hope the beer...ah...fish cooperate:rolleyes:

Such as these guys (http://mainefishingtoday.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/ice%20fishing%20dudes.jpg)?

Stijloor

I DID IT!!!! Last December I was chatting about this rifle........ I just purchased a Henry Repeating Big Boy Deluxe Engraved .44 Magnum Lever-Action Rifle. :D
http://www.henryrepeating.com/h006dd_bigboyengraved.cfm

I am so looking forward to picking it up on Sunday (after 1:30pm - have to abide the law) and firing it! I can already imagine the stress relief (from work) once I fire it. Check out the photo and the link!

This is my first cowboy rifle. I hope it is everything I imagine it to be! :drool:

I DID IT!!!! Last December I was chatting about this rifle........ I just purchased a Henry Repeating Big Boy Deluxe Engraved .44 Magnum Lever-Action Rifle. :D
http://www.henryrepeating.com/h006dd_bigboyengraved.cfm

I am so looking forward to picking it up on Sunday (after 1:30pm - have to abide the law) and firing it! I can already imagine the stress relief (from work) once I fire it. Check out the photo and the link!

This is my first cowboy rifle. I hope it is everything I imagine it to be! :drool:


Sounds like fun. Just be careful when shooting rifles out there, guys. A young girl in our rural suburban area was killed by a stray bullet that obviously missed it's intended target. Police estimated it travel at least 1/2 mile plus... I'm sure you're the careful type, but it bears repeating.

Looks like a good rifle!

I'll post my new one in March when it should arrive. :cool:

Dimitri

I'm very careful and I only shoot at an indoor range in my lane. I did not get the chance to fire it this weekend but hopefully next weekend for sure. I did pick it up and it's so nice!

I'm already thinking of a another target pistol - a S&W model 952.

Helmut, we had a similar death in Beaver County, PA about 15 or 20 years ago during our buck season. I think police estmated about a mile travel for the bullet - went through a window at the end and killed a young mother. Definitely a freak accident, as that area is rather wooded and not in the least flat. I believe the cartridge was a typical PA deer round, either 30-06, .308, or .270, all of which are capable of traveling a fair distance if something doen't stop them.

I've always been concerned about where bullets could go - I use a high powered rifle only in relatively wooded and unpopulated areas and always check what's behind the deer. In other areas, I'll use a rifle barrelled shotgun with sabot, or a flintlock.

That's one reason why tree stands are a good idea. Not only do you see more, most shots are down, and the bullet hits the ground before it can go very far.

That's one reason why tree stands are a good idea. Not only do you see more, most shots are down, and the bullet hits the ground before it can go very far.

Craig, you'll enjoy watching this.....:biglaugh:

Deer Hunting - Bill Engvall

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Craig, they're a good idea only if you use all safety equipment including safety harnesses. My wife is an occupational therapist, I haven't really kept track since we were married about 15 years ago, but it seems to me that each year she comments about a hunter (or maybe I should say exhunter) she's treating who has fallen from a tree stand. If they're lucky they end up as paraplegics. Most have ended up as quadraplegics - all younger than me by a good bit. Some 10 years and some 20 years. Many of them have/had families with children, and Dad is suddenly no longer the prime bread winner and able to help with raising young children.

All totally preventable by using a safety harness :(

Craig, they're a good idea only if you use all safety equipment including safety harnesses. My wife is an occupational therapist, I haven't really kept track since we were married about 15 years ago, but it seems to me that each year she comments about a hunter (or maybe I should say exhunter) she's treating who has fallen from a tree stand. If they're lucky they end up as paraplegics. Most have ended up as quadraplegics - all younger than me by a good bit. Some 10 years and some 20 years. Many of them have/had families with children, and Dad is suddenly no longer the prime bread winner and able to help with raising young children.

All totally preventable by using a safety harness :(

I will admit to not using one, but all of my tree stands are enclosed ladder stands and I feel safe.

I don't hunt from tree stands, if God wanted me in the trees he'd have kept my tail attached.

Dimitri

I don't hunt from tree stands, if God wanted me in the trees he'd have kept my tail attached.

Dimitri

Well, I don't know about tails, but...

Tree stands allow you to see a LOT more, hides your movement from eye level, usually provide a shooting rail, and, most importantly, get your scent up and away from the ground.

When I hunt I like to see stuff...

I like to see too and do see on the ground. :)

Don't get me wrong but tree stands do work well but I never got used to them myself. :)

Dimitri

I like to see too and do see on the ground. :)

Don't get me wrong but tree stands do work well but I never got used to them myself. :)

Dimitri

I will agree that some of the "stands" my friends use will never see me in them. If its not rock solid, I'll sit on a rock, or a stump, or even on a hill.

One of my favorites is called "still" hunting, which is misleading. You walk veeeery slowly into the wind. Take a step and look. Look some more. Take a step and look.

This can be a thrill on a windy day, allowing effective access into areas where the dry leaves would normally be too noisy. The only reason I don't do this more often is...

Other hunters.

Minnesota ice fishing can't be beat.file:///home/dean/Desktop/Muskie.doc

Minnesota ice fishing can't be beat.file:///home/dean/Desktop/Muskie.doc

Holy Moly, Dean!! That's quite a catch you've got there! :mg: Congrats! :applause:

Minnesota ice fishing can't be beat.file:///home/dean/Desktop/Muskie.doc

:agree1: WOW!!!!!

Nice Fish!!!!! I was out muskie fishing with a friend, many years ago. It was pretty hot, and we decided to take a break and go swiming. This lake had a sunken island in the middle, with water only 5 ft deep, so we anchored and took a dip.

While we were swiming my buddy had something grab his foot. He ended up with 29 stitches in his heel. We figure a muskie probably hit him.

Minnesota ice fishing can't be beat.file:///home/dean/Desktop/Muskie.docGot some stats to go with the pics?
length
girth
weight
bait/lure

As I was growing up and fishing Illinois, Wisconsin, and Minnesota lakes and rivers, the common lore was that a keeper muskie was the "fish of ten thousand casts."

I certainly made many MORE than 10,000 casts and only got one keeper (lots of releases) and [unless you are a real midget] never got one hooked, let alone landed, that was as big as yours.

What a thrill it must have been. Heck! The few times I went ice fishing, I don't think I chopped a big enough hole to haul that lunker out!:applause::applause::applause:

I wish I could say it was mine, it isn't. :( It was the guy a few houses down from us. Great fish he said he weighed it at 48 lbs.file:///home/dean/Desktop/Muskie.doc It does look like it could take a pretty big chunk out of something. I have seen them take adult ducks (lots of baby ducks disappear under water where I fish).

I wish I could say it was mine, it isn't. :( It was the guy a few houses down from us. Great fish he said he weighed it at 48 lbs.file:///home/dean/Desktop/Muskie.doc It does look like it could take a pretty big chunk out of something. I have seen them take adult ducks (lots of baby ducks disappear under water where I fish).One of the lures I caught many small muskies (24 -28 inches) on was one that looked like a baby muskrat about 12 inches long. It was a surface lure that looked VERY realistic coming through lily pads. I wish I had film of some of the hits - they rivaled some of the Discovery Channel stuff I saw of a Great White Shark hitting a full grown seal in super slow motion.

I gave uo hunting but not shooting.
Now instead of sitting in a tree all day freezing by XXX's off.
I started shooting IPSC competitions, now every time I get out a gun & go, I hit somethiong, used to I might sit all day and not fire a shot, now I am guranteed at least 100 shots per match.:topic::thanx:

I gave uo hunting but not shooting.
Now instead of sitting in a tree all day freezing by XXX's off.
I started shooting IPSC competitions, now every time I get out a gun & go, I hit somethiong, used to I might sit all day and not fire a shot, now I am guranteed at least 100 shots per match.:topic::thanx:

What do you shoot? Match rifle?

I see you are in GA, so where do you shoot? Any matches around Macon or Augusta?

Normally several counties in North Ga, mostly though at the local club outside of Cumming, River bend Gun Club. Here they hold IPSC, IDPA, Cowboy style, Rifle, and several unsanctioned matches. Go to the web site clic on shooting venues then on each to see what we do. My favorite is the Action Rifle 3 gun, that is this Saturday. Anyone can enter a match for a fee of $15-20, and you don't have to be a member to enter, just to go shoot on your own.
The club site is http://www.rbgc.org/index.htm and the Action Pistol & Action Rifle 3 Gun are 2 pages I set up and Venues I have been Range master over, now I just go, pay the fee and am able to enjoy the competitions without the headaches & gripes that are sure to come from someone.
If you need more info you can PM me for a phone #.

Normally several counties in North Ga, mostly though at the local club outside of Cumming, River bend Gun Club. Here they hold IPSC, IDPA, Cowboy style, Rifle, and several unsanctioned matches. Go to the web site clic on shooting venues then on each to see what we do. My favorite is the Action Rifle 3 gun, that is this Saturday. Anyone can enter a match for a fee of $15-20, and you don't have to be a member to enter, just to go shoot on your own.
The club site is http://www.rbgc.org/index.htm and the Action Pistol & Action Rifle 3 Gun are 2 pages I set up and Venues I have been Range master over, now I just go, pay the fee and am able to enjoy the competitions without the headaches & gripes that are sure to come from someone.
If you need more info you can PM me for a phone #.

I've shot in a few IDPA competitions and used to shoot a lot of skeet and sporting clays. Never had a chance to do any of the single-action shooting competitions which look like an awful lot of fun. One thing I will say, is that I have met some some of the nicest people at shooting competitions.

Best of luck in your next match.

Wayne

Well, this Saturday is the opening of firearms deer season here in GA. I have had a late start with the scouting, food plot planting, etc.

Is anyone else going this weekend?

Well, this Saturday is the opening of firearms deer season here in GA. I have had a late start with the scouting, food plot planting, etc.

Is anyone else going this weekend?

Run Bambi, Run! :D

Stijloor.

Well, this Saturday is the opening of firearms deer season here in GA. I have had a late start with the scouting, food plot planting, etc.

Is anyone else going this weekend?

Run Bambi, Run!

Stijloor.

How can you look in the eyes of the one you shot, and not feel terrible about it?

I never did that But wish I could some day. :tg::yes:

How can you look in the eyes of the one you shot, and not feel terrible about it?

How can you eat that steak you just BBQ'ed knowing full well that cow was specifically raised to be killed and fed to you ?? :confused:

Seriously though, its food on the dinner plate, man is a predatory species, it is only natural to hunt and put food you killed on the dinner table. :cool:

Dimitri

How can you eat that steak you just BBQ'ed knowing full well that cow was specifically raised to be killed and fed to you ?? :confused:

Seriously though, its food on the dinner plate, man is a predatory species, it is only natural to hunt and put food you killed on the dinner table. :cool:

Dimitri

Not everyone shares that opinion.

Stijloor.

If you think hunting is all about the killing, you just don't get it, and likely never will. And, if you don't have anything positive to say here, take it to the controversial subjects forum.

I had thought better of some of you.

I never did that But wish I could some day. :tg::yes:

If you are ever in Georgia, give me a call.

I really have nothing against hunting Deer, it just isn't what I do. I like hunting Turkey, Dove, Duck, and Geese.

If you think hunting is all about the killing, you just don't get it, and likely never will. Stay in your stinking city. And, if you don't have anything positive to say here, take it to the controversial subjects forum. I agree that this thread is for people who want to discuss hunting and fishing and shouldn't be derailed, but we don't need anger.

For those of you who aren't into hunting and fishing, please don't derail this thread again.

If you think hunting is all about the killing, you just don't get it, and likely never will.

Hope your not talking to me if so my apologies. :(

Generally that point I made ends most conversations on the "morality" of hunting with anti-hunters I have met. As most that appose hunting but do not see their own dinner plate of beef, veal, pork, chicken etc. :)

Anyways you are very much correct its not about if you killed your deer or not. :D

Dimitri

If you think hunting is all about the killing, you just don't get it, and likely never will. Stay in your stinking city. And, if you don't have anything positive to say here, take it to the controversial subjects forum.

I had thought better of some of you.

Hello Craig,

If I offended you with my little joke, I sincerely apologize.

Stijloor.

I don't think i'd mind going hunting. I can imagine it is a good day away from the norm (for me that is). The issue I have is here in London, England, the only things I can hunt are cheap drink and the end of my working day. Closest we have here is probably some sort of clay pigeon shooting (but those clay pigeons had it coming to them).

Most of the hunting in England is banned or reduced in some way. It would be interesting to cross the pond and see how you all do it over there.

Most of the hunting in England is banned or reduced in some way.

Peter,

Your still allowed bolt action rifles if you want to deal with your licensing system and you can hunt deer, plenty over there considered pests as I understand it. There are quite a few British members on hunting sites around the world who hunt. So all hope is not lost. :)

Dimitri

I don't think i'd mind going hunting. I can imagine it is a good day away from the norm (for me that is). The issue I have is here in London, England, the only things I can hunt are cheap drink and the end of my working day. Closest we have here is probably some sort of clay pigeon shooting (but those clay pigeons had it coming to them).

Most of the hunting in England is banned or reduced in some way. It would be interesting to cross the pond and see how you all do it over there.

The peace and quiet is fantastic. Some of the best hunts I have had did not involve seeing a single deer. If you can go out into the woods and just sit for an hour or 2, just to see what you see, you will get an idea what it is like.

And folks, I am sorry about what may seem to be an overreaction on my part. I am very afraid of some of the anti hunting and gun control winds blowing these days. After sitting in the woods for several hours, in less than 24 hours, I'll be much better. I promise.

The peace and quiet is fantastic. Some of the best hunts I have had did not involve seeing a single deer. If you can go out into the woods and just sit for an hour or 2, just to see what you see, you will get an idea what it is like.

And folks, I am sorry about what may seem to be an overreaction on my part. I am very afraid of some of the anti hunting and gun control winds blowing these days. After sitting in the woods for several hours, in less than 24 hours, I'll be much better. I promise.I'm not against hunting and killing game - I certainly did a lot of it in my lifetime. May I suggest some hunters who have family and friends deriding them for the killing part of hunting (but still want the sense of being a "hunter") do what one of my colleagues does? He married a woman who is a firm vegan (not even "ovo-lacto") and so to preserve peace in his family, he retired his guns and got a camera mounted on a rifle stock. He still goes out "hunting," but now his trophies are photos and when he wants to eat meat, he goes alone or with friends to a restaurant.

End results:


Peace in the family
maintained "sense of accomplishment"
no license fees
no season restrictions
easier to brag about a photo of a live animal than of a dead carcass
no "bag limits"

Come to think about it, shooting with a camera in off-season is much safer than being in the woods during hunting season;)

The peace and quiet is fantastic. Some of the best hunts I have had did not involve seeing a single deer. If you can go out into the woods and just sit for an hour or 2, just to see what you see, you will get an idea what it is like.

And folks, I am sorry about what may seem to be an overreaction on my part. I am very afraid of some of the anti hunting and gun control winds blowing these days. After sitting in the woods for several hours, in less than 24 hours, I'll be much better. I promise.

Thank you for your post Craig!

My Dad and my Grandfather were avid hunters (sometimes illegally...;))
I just never got into it. But I do respect the folks who enjoy being out there...

Stijloor.

May I suggest some hunters who have family and friends deriding them for the killing part of hunting (but still want the sense of being a "hunter") do what one of my colleagues does?

Avoiding them isn't a option I take it ?? :biglaugh:

I have "weeded out" many perspective dates by letting them know up front that I hunt, fish and own firearms. Generally it will either keep the girl around if shes interested, otherwise I either get a earful that I am a "murderer" or the girl turns around and walks away. :mg: But what do you do when she'll ask for your hobbies other then say the truth. :bonk:

Dimitri

Avoiding them isn't a option I take it ?? :biglaugh:

I have "weeded out" many perspective dates by letting them know up front that I hunt, fish and own firearms. Generally it will either keep the girl around if shes interested, otherwise I either get a earful that I am a "murderer" or the girl turns around and walks away. :mg: But what do you do when she'll ask for your hobbies other then say the truth. :bonk:

DimitriWhat you tell them depends on whether you are looking for a lifetime mate or a one-night date!;) Some dates like macho types; others like sensitive types, in tune with their feminine side. Thus, you have to be pretty sure what kind of a response from the girl you'll get for each type of answer.

Of course, if you are a hunter of the female gender, you probably aren't meeting any sensitive guys in touch with their feminine side because you are too busy hanging out with other hunters.

What you tell them depends on whether you are looking for a lifetime mate or a one-night date!;)

I really don't look for one night stands if that's what your implying. More conservative in my courting of women (I will bite the bullet now and admit I am a 21 year old virgin, just haven't got to the point I am ready for risking having a kid and spending the next 20 to 25 years of my life with my child's mother). Slow and smooth is my motto. :cool:

Still I have had girls who are card carrying PETA members (the "People for Eco-Terrorist Actions" kind not the "People Eating Tasty Animals" kind) do a 180 after they burst my ear drums with screaming at me and apologize and want to "hang out". I never did figure that one out. :confused:

Dimitri

I really don't look for one night stands if that's what your implying. More conservative in my courting of women (I will bite the bullet now and admit I am a 21 year old virgin, just haven't got to the point I am ready for risking having a kid and spending the next 20 to 25 years of my life with my child's mother). Slow and smooth is my motto. :cool:

Still I have had girls who are card carrying PETA members (the "People for Eco-Terrorist Actions" kind not the "People Eating Tasty Animals" kind) do a 180 after they burst my ear drums with screaming at me and apologize and want to "hang out". I never did figure that one out. :confused:

DimitriI agree there is a difference between a one-night-stand (implies sex) and a date (implies attending entertainment or going out to eat, often both - usually in a public place.) I used the word "date" and not the phrase "one-night-stand" - I am usually pretty fussy about the words I use so they say exactly what I mean.

Wes,

Just never taken a girl out just for a single date in mind. Considering dinner and the movie will cost a easy 125$ I just don't see it as a option. :mg:

Dimitri

This thread had been dormant too long. Isn't anyone here hunting or fishing anymore?

I hope to get a few days of deer firearms season soon, and hopefully 1-2 days of upland hunting. And a day or 2 of mindless slinging of lead at paper, clay birds, and tin cans.

Hi Mike,
I'm looking forward to taking part in Pennsylvania's modern firearms deer season starting the Monday after Thanksgiving. If I don't manage to bag something during our modern firearms season, I'll probably extend the season by taking part in our muzzeloading season which starts the Saturday after Christmas and runs into the middle of January.
Next year's plans, if all goes well, will include a trip to southwestern Colorado to hunt elk and mule deer. Two trips out so far, with about 3 years between trips 0 mule deer to date and 1 elk.

I have been deer hunting several times. Got my first with my slug gun a couple of weeks ago, a doe at ~130 yards that went a total of 3 yards after the neck shot. I took Mon-Wed off this week to hunt. Had a great hunt Sunday, where I saw over 30 turkeys and a spike. Nonstop action. But, the rains started late Monday night. I went Tuesday, and spent almost as much time drying off the gun as I did in the woods. Saw nothing, as well. Wednesday was very windy. I went for a walk, but, again, nothing.

I'll be in the woods in the morning. Wish me luck. It should be a clear, wonderful morning.

From the looks of the roadside, I am just trying to avoid a "bumper crop" of deer!

Everyone here probably knows that I am not against hunting, but some idiot just gave hunters another black eye. Somebody dumped their deer carcass in my lane! What kind of idiot dumps hide, head, entrails and whatever other parts they don't want in someone else's driveway? I hate that people here have so little sense when it comes to hunting. Never in my life would I have dreamed someone would have so little regard for others. And then they wonder why so many people are anti-hunting. :mad:

OK, rant over.

Everyone here probably knows that I am not against hunting, but some idiot just gave hunters another black eye. Somebody dumped their deer carcass in my lane! What kind of idiot dumps hide, head, entrails and whatever other parts they don't want in someone else's driveway? I hate that people here have so little sense when it comes to hunting. Never in my life would I have dreamed someone would have so little regard for others. And then they wonder why so many people are anti-hunting. :mad:

OK, rant over.

Yeah, like so many other things some bozos give the rest of us a bad name. I don't blame you for being mad.

I found out a few days ago that a friend's ex father-in-law is taking deer and dressing them for the Christian Life Center to give to folks who are hurting. Since we have a season limit of 12, I am hoping to bring him several (the next one is definitely going there). If any of my fellow hunters have a similar program locally, I hope you'll consider helping out, especially now.

Craig,

Sounds like a nice cause for donation. I will check my local area for similar causes.

Thought I would share that I got my first elk last month in Idaho. When we got the range on the bull it said 999 yards! My father-in-law got one at 850 yards and my wifes uncle got one at about 50! Luckiest man I know, although I wasn't complaining since we only had to pack him out about 75 yards, all down hill. The three of us tagged one bull each on the first, second, and third day of the season. All 6 x 6s, too. Also saw some nice mule deer, but the weather seemed to be against us while we were hunting them. Oh well, now we have so much meat we had to buy another freezer! Can't wait until next week when there is 3 days of bear season before Thanksgiving. I love this time of year!

Craig,

Sounds like a nice cause for donation. I will check my local area for similar causes.

Thought I would share that I got my first elk last month in Idaho. When we got the range on the bull it said 999 yards! My father-in-law got one at 850 yards and my wifes uncle got one at about 50! Luckiest man I know, although I wasn't complaining since we only had to pack him out about 75 yards, all down hill. The three of us tagged one bull each on the first, second, and third day of the season. All 6 x 6s, too. Also saw some nice mule deer, but the weather seemed to be against us while we were hunting them. Oh well, now we have so much meat we had to buy another freezer! Can't wait until next week when there is 3 days of bear season before Thanksgiving. I love this time of year!

999 yards?!? What the heck were you shooting? What distance was it sighted in at? Did you figure windage before pulling the trigger?

If you tell me you didn't have a rest I'm gonna want proof!!!!

999 yards, no joke. 5 shots. At that sort of distance there are so many crosswinds you're always taking an educated guess, at best. The bull was standing broadside almost at an equal altitude, maybe a little below us on an opposing face. I dialed in the scope, first shot 3 inches of the front of his chest. Second shot, right behind the shoulder, bull sucks it up and doesn't react (made me think I missed it!) Third shot, miss right below the belly, bull starts to trot down then stops. Fourth shot, miss, same spot - getting frustrated now! Fifth shot, right behind the shoulder again, through both lungs and the diaphragm. Bull trots off, collapses. I can finally exhale! I was shooting a .338 tomahawk that was sighted in at 1,000 yards, conveniently enough. On previous trips they took critters at 1,500 yards as well. A lot of people are against long-distance hunting because they think it's inhumane. I can tell you that if you put in the time and work to prepare yourself and your equipment it is no different than any other type of hunting. All summer long we work to develop loads for our bullets and practice shooting at rocks at distances of 800, 1200, and 1500 yards. Each bull and buck that was taken lived no more than 20 seconds after initial contact. We have run into people that take a shot, hit an animal poorly, and the animal takes off over a ridge. They have told us they weren't going to track it at all, simply because it was too far. Obviously this is wrong for ethical reasons, and we do not agree with this type of behavior. Anytime we take a shot we go for a hike to look for whatever we were shooting at just in case we hit it and didn't see it. As I said earlier, the first shot I got the bull with he absorbed. This is common with elk, so you don't always know if you hit them even if you're looking through high powered binocs. A lot of times the hike can last the rest of the day and if we still aren't convinced we were in the right spot we will go back the next day until we are positive we didn't hit anything. It's certainly a different kind of hunting--not for everyone, but definitely a thrill.

Yes, we did haul in a rest. You almost have to. The distance is one thing, but the darn gun weighs in at 15.5 pounds! We usually each have a pack of about 50 pounds at the beginning of the trip, and if we harvest an animal it can go up to 100+. Under those circumstances you spend a lot of time staring at the dirt! Anyway, it is an exciting way to hunt, and the country we were in was beautiful. One thing that will always stick with me was driving around the top of a valley, looking out the drivers side of the vehicle STRAIGHT down to the bottom. Below me about 75 yards and to the side of me about 50 yards was a Bald Eagle looking for its next meal. Simply amazing to see them flying around below you.

999 yards, no joke.

This reminds me of a scene in "Quigley Down Under". :D

Everyone here probably knows that I am not against hunting, but some idiot just gave hunters another black eye. Somebody dumped their deer carcass in my lane! What kind of idiot dumps hide, head, entrails and whatever other parts they don't want in someone else's driveway? I hate that people here have so little sense when it comes to hunting. Never in my life would I have dreamed someone would have so little regard for others. And then they wonder why so many people are anti-hunting. :mad:

OK, rant over.

I would be willing to bet that deer was not taken legally either!

rlsavard, I am not familiar with the tomahawk. I shoot a 7mm STW, which in theory could shoot that far, but here in GA hunting for whitetails a 300 yard shot is unusual. That's why I also have a rifled 870 for the thick stuff.

Still, for that kind of shooting I am sure you spend a lot of time on your skills and equipment. How many rounds did you shoot before you went hunting for just those 5 shots? More than a few, I'd imagine.

That sounds like some intense hunting. You must be in fantastic shape as well.

I would be willing to bet that deer was not taken legally either!

Likely did not even have a license.:mad:

rlsavard, I am not familiar with the tomahawk. I shoot a 7mm STW, which in theory could shoot that far, but here in GA hunting for whitetails a 300 yard shot is unusual. That's why I also have a rifled 870 for the thick stuff.

Still, for that kind of shooting I am sure you spend a lot of time on your skills and equipment. How many rounds did you shoot before you went hunting for just those 5 shots? More than a few, I'd imagine.

That sounds like some intense hunting. You must be in fantastic shape as well.


The tomahawk we use is a custome rifle we had made. As for practice rounds--several hundred per person between building up loads, testing, tweaking, and finally just shooting for the fun of it. Up here in PA they have 1,000 yard shooting contests that we are going to start entering next year. Should add to the fun.

I could stand to be in better shape, who can't? In early August we all start training for the hunt so we are usually pretty good by the time October rolls around. Of course, the elevation always kicks you in the chest for the first day or so. Luckily I'm only 26 so I was in far better condition than the 56 year old we had with us. I've got to hand it to him, though, he carried his own! Met a 70-something year old up there that (somehow) managed to do all of the same hiking as well. Had to tip my hat to him.

Everyone here probably knows that I am not against hunting, but some idiot just gave hunters another black eye. Somebody dumped their deer carcass in my lane! What kind of idiot dumps hide, head, entrails and whatever other parts they don't want in someone else's driveway? I hate that people here have so little sense when it comes to hunting. Never in my life would I have dreamed someone would have so little regard for others. And then they wonder why so many people are anti-hunting. :mad:

OK, rant over.

Steel -- Sorry, but a hunter didn't do that. He was no more a hunter than a drug dealer is a pharmacist or a person selling stolen cars is an auto dealer. Please don't lump such idiots with the vast majority of good, law-abiding hunters.

As for the guy shooting at elk at 1000-1500 yards, sorry, but I also do not consider him a hunter. No matter the range, if your shot is taking "an educated guess at best" the shot should not be taken.

Mike--I wasn't saying the shot was an educated guess. The windage is an educated guess, just at any distance. If you're shooting 100 yards wind CAN have a factor. Not trying to change your mind or anything--there are plenty of people who don't consider long distance hunting as actual hunting, but that's fine. There are also people who consider themselves hunters by baiting in deer and taking a shot at 50 yards. I don't understand it, but if they're legal then that's there thing.

Mike--I wasn't saying the shot was an educated guess. The windage is an educated guess, just at any distance. If you're shooting 100 yards wind CAN have a factor. Not trying to change your mind or anything--there are plenty of people who don't consider long distance hunting as actual hunting, but that's fine. There are also people who consider themselves hunters by baiting in deer and taking a shot at 50 yards. I don't understand it, but if they're legal then that's there thing.
Sorry, but IMO what you say you are doing is highky unethical as it is highly likely the animal will be wounded. I know of no expert who would even defend your actions.

The baddest .338 I know of is the Lazzeroni that launches a 185 gr bullet with a BC of .414 at 3550 fps. If that monster is sighted in at 1000 yards, that means it is hitting 84" high at "just" 600 yards. If a crosswind of just 10 mph affects the bullet it will blow it 81 inches off target; but if that crosswind is only 8 mph it will be blown off target "only" 65 inches -- a difference of 16 inches and enough to turn a killing shot into a gut shot. Energy at 1000 yards is only 916 ft lb, below the safe energy for a tough critter like elk.

You can easily get 5-6 inches of difference just from typical shot-to-shot velocity variation if all else is exactly equal.

If the numbers are this bad for 1000 yards, they're even more horrible at 1500 yards as the trajectory is a rainbow -- much more drop, much more drift, much lower energy.

Even if you can tell the exact distance, you can't tell what the winds are doing, so your shot is a huge risk.

Mike--I wasn't saying the shot was an educated guess. The windage is an educated guess, just at any distance. If you're shooting 100 yards wind CAN have a factor. Not trying to change your mind or anything--there are plenty of people who don't consider long distance hunting as actual hunting, but that's fine. There are also people who consider themselves hunters by baiting in deer and taking a shot at 50 yards. I don't understand it, but if they're legal then that's there thing.

I happen to have taken several deer at less than 50 yards, mostly with a bow. If anyone thinks a 45 yard shot through brush is easy, maybe they should try it some time. I do not hunt over bait, but I know many who do, even though it is illegal for deer. Hogs is a different matter. In some states I think baiting may be legal, but not sure.

There are too many outside of hunting/shooting to have squabbles amoung us, guys.

I never understood running deer with dogs, but there are those who do it. I was against it until someone pointed out that many of the folks who do that would have trouble walking to, and sitting still in, a conventional deer stand. It is also more of a group thing, so there is the social aspect.

Again, we have enough slings and arrows coming our way without throwing them at each other. The main thing is getting us (and, especially our young ones and loved ones) outside, and in the woods (or mountains, or fields, or ponds... you get the idea).

Well, no disrespect, but your not evaluating the correct data. We use 250 grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of 3354 and a BC of .960. That's according to our oehler 35P chronograph. It's understandable that you may think that it's unethical, and of course, some individuals that do long range hunting are unethical--just as any other variation of hunting or other sport. However, if we are consistently taking down critters within 20 seconds of their initial contact, how is that unethical? Are you saying a shot with a .270 at 100 yards is guaranteed to be more ethical? Perhaps to most people it is, but if you put in your time, practice, and know what you're doing how is that any different? Many people pull out their rifle the week/day before hunting season and fire a couple rounds to see if it is sighted in. They don't practice taking smooth shots, or prepare for their hunt in any other way. You're saying a rusty close range shot is better than an overly prepared long distance shot? I respectfully disagree. If we didn't think we could do it ethically, we wouldn't do it. We don't go out zipping bullets all over valleys. Perhaps I shouldn't have said "educated guess at best" when I was refering to the winds/crosswinds, but that is really what you would have to describe when factoring in wind at most any distances.

Craig--you're right, I'm not going to go on about this. There are several other points that could be made on both sides of the fence. All I can say is that you don't have to agree with what we are doing but we are doing everything we can for a succesful hunt and for a quick kill. We have the data and the trophies to support these claims. We have a great time throughout the year getting everything ready for the hunt and have an even better time during the trip. Buck season is fastly approaching and we now are focusing on closer targets. Hopefully we all will find success this year. Good luck to all hunters, no matter your means!

Deer season in PA? Legendary. Short, too. Maybe some day I will have the chance to try it out. Do y'all really shut the state down for opening weekend, or is that just a rumor?

One of the biggest deer I have seen was standing next to the Interstate right outside of Philidelipha on the way to the airport a few years back. It was standing on a hill overlooking an abandoned refinery. Huge buck, at least 10 points, well over 200 pounds.

Heck, the first rut here is almost over. Dadgum hurricane came through and messed everything up during what was supposed to be the peak. There's always this weekend.

There are too many outside of hunting/shooting to have squabbles amoung us, guys.

I never understood running deer with dogs, but there are those who do it.

Again, we have enough slings and arrows coming our way without throwing them at each other.

I consider it policing our own, Craig. At some point you have to say enough. Just because we all call ourselves hunters we can't wink and nod at everything.

A bullet with a BC of .960 is like a needle -- can it have decent expansion characteristics on a tough animal like elk? Even if such bullet existed, still, if you're off by a measley 5 mph in the wind velocity you can be off enough to gut-shoot or otherwise wound the animal. It's proven physics, not opinion. Imagine the winds in the mountains -- how they swirl and shift and change!!!! Jeez!!!!

If this person indeed has killed elk at 1000-1500 yards without wounding others in the process, which I truly doubt, it is still luck IMO and not something that should be attempted by ethical hunters. Again, IMO. I don't want people reading this -- maybe young hunters -- and thinking this is something to emulate.

In our quality world we tend to look to the writings and opinions of recognized experts like Juran, Deming, Harrington, etc. to help us settle issues of disagreement like this. I've read much by the experts of the rifle hunting world like Carmichael, Petzel, and Boddington, among others. None have I ever seen recommend shots at game over 500 yards, and then only if there is no other way. If someone can show me recognized expert opinion to the contrary I will admit I'm wrong.

Mike - yes, a lot of PA schools do shut down for the first day of buck season. I grew up in the Harrisburg area and we didn't do it there, but when I went to college almost all of my friends had the "holiday" off when they were growing up. The company I work for now gives everyone the day off, too.

Yes, there are plenty of decent sized bucks all over the place. As you said, they like to roam along the highways and unfortunately the deer get a little too comfortable with the vehicles and venture a little too far out onto the road.

The deer have been acting funny up here, too. The past two years I lived in Arizona and the year before that I was in Virginia. All three years I was too busy to hunt those states, but the deer just seem different here since I've left. The rut started really early this year - although that can probably be attributed to some funky weather patterns that we've had.

Craig - Enjoy your hunting season and good luck. I hope you enjoy the same successes at any range that I did in Idaho.

This thread had been dormant too long. Isn't anyone here hunting or fishing anymore?

I've been pretty busy the last year, from quitting work, to going to Europe for a few months, to going back to school things have been a mess but I have been going hunting. :)

If any of my fellow hunters have a similar program locally, I hope you'll consider helping out, especially now.

I wish but giving away in donations wild meat is illegal here. :mad:

Even if you can tell the exact distance, you can't tell what the winds are doing, so your shot is a huge risk.

I don't shoot as far as 1,000 yards but I can say that it is quite possible. Whether or not the poster does it, it has been done, and for many people in this world is a relatively easy shot. Remember our (the Allies in the GWOT) consistently train and hit enemy targets at 1,000 yards with the relatively "small" 308Win. Nevermind the countless people who push their firearms and themselves to the limit regularly at the various marksmanship competitions.

it is still luck IMO and not something that should be attempted by ethical hunters.

What ever is in a persons ability to do, there are hunters here in Canada who take shots much further out then 1,500 yards with 50BMG target rifles on big game and they are the same people who you see punching relatively tiny little groups with their 50BMG's at over those distances. This type of training/hunting has gained popularity recently.

Dimitri

Taking a shot that far out isn't very sporting, though. The game has no idea that it's in danger. Even a miss is unlikely to cause alarm, since it will just sound like an insect.

Don't know how many hunters I've heard say, "(insert game) didn't know what hit 'em!" This is particularly true with archery hunters in treestands. Deer are usually oblivious to the fact that a hunter could be raised above them. The point of hunting is to make animals not know they're in danger. Otherwise we would be talking all day, wearing any type of clothing, not worrying about our scent, and sitting in our back yard. If an animal has any idea a threat is present it's not giong to stick around very long.

Taking a shot that far out isn't very sporting, though. The game has no idea that it's in danger. Even a miss is unlikely to cause alarm, since it will just sound like an insect.

Hunting in general is not sporting anyways until you take out a knife and do it Alabama style. :lol:

Dimitri

There are many states that participate in Farmers and Hunters Feeding the Hungry or a similar program. http://www.fhfh.org/About.asp

Hundreds of tons of meat has been donated.

I stand by my earlier statement about shooting at game with a .338 anything at 1000-1500 yards. Show me a recognized expert who says it is acceptable in a normal hunting situation. I won’t hold my breath, okay?

A .50 BMG is a little bit of a different story in that the tool (gun) itself is much more capable than any .338 but still it is a risky business. Even seasoned .50 BMG benchrest competitors who have tried it have had lots of misses and admit the wind is a huge and unpredictable factor, as is range finding even with lasers.

When benchrest shooting at targets there is no crippled, wounded animal lost when an unexpected puff of wind comes along. When life and death is at stake in a military situation it is also a different story than sport hunting.

Although there are many experts out there, here are two that I have personally met with in regards to this issue:

Dr. Kenneth Howell, well known firearms writer, editor of Rifle magazine, designer of the Howell line of big game cartridges.
Bruce Baer, custom rifle maker, past President and Life Member of the Williamsport 1000 Yard Benchrest Club and a member of its Hall of Fame for shooting excellence.

As stated earlier by Dimitri long range hunting is getting more and more popular, like it or not. The people into this sport enjoy it because it provides a year round activity -- working up loads, practicing, and conditioning for a majority of the time, then finally applying everything in a hunting situation. Firearms, ammunition, powder, casings, and every other component involved have come a long way and given people the ability to shoot at these distances. The fact that you don't agree with it doesn't bother me. I know that my skills and am confident that they will result in quick kill as opposed to an injury.

Although there are many experts out there, here are two that I have personally met with in regards to this issue:

Dr. Kenneth Howell, well known firearms writer, editor of Rifle magazine, designer of the Howell line of big game cartridges.
Bruce Baer, custom rifle maker, past President and Life Member of the Williamsport 1000 Yard Benchrest Club and a member of its Hall of Fame for shooting excellence.

As stated earlier by Dimitri long range hunting is getting more and more popular, like it or not. The people into this sport enjoy it because it provides a year round activity -- working up loads, practicing, and conditioning for a majority of the time, then finally applying everything in a hunting situation. Firearms, ammunition, powder, casings, and every other component involved have come a long way and given people the ability to shoot at these distances. The fact that you don't agree with it doesn't bother me. I know that my skills and am confident that they will result in quick kill as opposed to an injury.

I am a little surprised my story about a 130 yard slug shot has not raised similar ire. Although I have no where near the experience you do with your rifle, rifled slugs have come a long way, and I was confident in my ability. That deer literally did not know what hit her. Neither did the deer standing around her, as they were still there when I rode up in my electric cart.

It is up to each of us to decide what we are comfortable with, and when we do decide to shoot it is with the highest respect for one of creation's wondrous creatures.

Although there are many experts out there, here are two that I have personally met with in regards to this issue:

Dr. Kenneth Howell, well known firearms writer, editor of Rifle magazine, designer of the Howell line of big game cartridges.
Bruce Baer, custom rifle maker, past President and Life Member of the Williamsport 1000 Yard Benchrest Club and a member of its Hall of Fame for shooting excellence.

As stated earlier by Dimitri long range hunting is getting more and more popular, like it or not. The people into this sport enjoy it because it provides a year round activity -- working up loads, practicing, and conditioning for a majority of the time, then finally applying everything in a hunting situation. Firearms, ammunition, powder, casings, and every other component involved have come a long way and given people the ability to shoot at these distances. The fact that you don't agree with it doesn't bother me. I know that my skills and am confident that they will result in quick kill as opposed to an injury.

All that fun stuff of practice, working up loads, etc. is all fine and dandy if you're shooting at inanimate objects at 1500 yards, but not game.

Like I say, show me a recognized expert who says it is acceptable in a normal hunting situation to be shooting at game with a .338 anything at 1000-1500 yards. Show me the link or the quotes and who said it. If it is so darn acceptable, surely the experts must say so in print, no?

I'd much rather see a slug shot at 130 yards than the above. The laws of physics changes for no one.