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Ken, Oh Ken,

Your Private messages are a thing of the past and you didn't have any. Get it? Let's move on to other important things. A few dissatisfied members have suggested that we start a fishing/hunting thread. A hint at getting lost from the Monotony Team. My problem is that even Nerds can go the Field & Stream website and try to convince us that they are real sportsman and that they have, in fact, callones. What do you think? I know if you check the properties of the attachments we can then separate "Friend" from "Fowl". Then we can post these cross-dressers in the thread. My understanding that even non-contributors, like yourself can open attachments in the coffee break threads. Interested? I am. And, I don't believe anything I see. We better see good properties on the attachment or there will be labels applied to those that think they can fool the real outdoorsmen. The effort of those who have up to now denied the basic instincts of man to hunt and fish and to be accepted as a brother among the giants of men, may force these brainiacs to come up with all kinds of deceptive practices and subterfuge to convince us that they do not wear their wive's or girlfriend's panty hose while watching the Cooking Channel. What do you say? Looking for one more fair and balanced Moderator. Jim, don't even think about it. The Queen's Quail isn't game. Please advise. Oh, wimmens is invited to participate, too! how about the Dude who starts those "Coffee Threads"? Those muskrats should be able to make it on their own by now, or do we just do coffee?

Jim,

You Brits always find a way to include "bums". :biglaugh:

My parents are Brits and please take the comment with a grain of salt.:bigwave:

pancreas said:

Jim,

You Brits always find a way to include "bums". :biglaugh:

My parents are Brits and please take the comment with a grain of salt.:bigwave:

What rhymes with bum? Yum. You nailed it A.
:vfunny: :ko: :smokin:

No hunting for me. My hunting licence was revoked when I got my name on the marriage licence.... :vfunny: :biglaugh: ...er... What kind of hunting are we talking about here?

/Claes

Had to vote: "Wish I had the time to do more of both". I seem to get more fishing in than hunting, though.

I'm going to have to make more time as the 8 yr. old is becoming more and more interested in both (and he's not "catching" as many tree limbs as he used to when casting :rolleyes: )

Bill

Hope to get the boat in the water this weekend. There's not much better than getting home from work, packing up the boat and sitting out on the lake (with a few cold ones) and tossing a line. Kick back in the sun and just relax.
During the week, I don't work much when it comes to fishing. I do it to relax just watch a bobber. Now on the weekends I'll get more involved especially after a rough game of golf!!!! That is if I didn't have to 9 putt the 19th hole!!! :biglaugh:

Randy,

You never know when you will have to save a life. I think the first attachment should come from Ken. That pike was a monster. I will post several pics because that is what I do. My digital camera is part of my tackle. We know when it's time to break it out. Something unusual. Beautiful scenery, the overloaded small boat or just something to remind me of that particular day. Trout fishing season opened last Saturday and everybody who ever owned a fishing pole went. I saw people elbow to elbow around a small pond (100ft x 100ft) if that big. This week there will be a lot less. The following week. None. That's the best time. Especially when there is a temptation to cast a Rattle Bait into their Nacho crusted flapping pie hole to shut them up! Get my drift?
:ko: :smokin:

Randy,

How about putting a pocket fisherman in your golf bag? Golf course water is almost virginal and there is not alot of competition from fellow anglers!!!:smokin:

Does hunting golf balls in the woods count for this thread? That is all I hunt anymore. Lost the feeling to kill thirty some years ago.

It is my understanding that anyone can open attachments in these threads. If there is a problem, contact the System Administrator.:vfunny:

These little guys were pulled up from the depth of 275 ft while fishing for Cod. See how they just seem to explode when the pressure changes. Delicious tasting fish. And, the neat thing? There isn't a lot to clean out of them and you can see the reason why. :vfunny:

Don't know if they all counted, but I voted hunt, fish, and wish I had more time to do them both.

As soon as the river gets down to a reasobable level so I can launch my boat I'll be out there on Saturdays and maybe a weekday evening thrown in now and then. Bass, catfish, sunfish, and the occasional rogue carp or sucker are the quarry, with bass being the most prized. I don't get into that elbow-to-elbow trout fishing for stocked fish. It just ain't my thing.

Hunting is pretty much over for me now until fall except for the occasional foray for groundhogs. If I had the gun for it I see lots of them 300 yards away from my back-yard in a farm field that would provide a good challenge, but my meager battery doesn't yet have a good long-range varmit rifle in it. I make-due with a .22 rimfire and limit my shots to about 75 yards. Except for the 'hog who thought my back deck was a good place to take up residence. Due to the nearby houses and angle of his jaunts I had to dissuade him with an ounce and a quarter of #4's. This dude would go up to my gas grill to lick off the grease!

Don't have any digital pics, but I enjoy seeing others.

Well, I am supposed to be moving up to Atlanta, Michigan this month, but due to Ruth Ellen's (my wife) medical condition, that has been postponed for another year. Oh well. I was looking forward to spending my time fishing for monster pike (Ken's would have been bait), hunting turkey and elk, hunting mushrooms (morels - you have to sneak up on them carefully), and picking wild blueberrys. Now, I just come to work and share all of my expertise with companies that wish to excell!

If anyone is planning to come to Michigan to fish, let me know. For a nominal fee, I will guide you in the quest for the mythical white pike of Flether's Pond (my folks own a campground there).

BTW, I also sell hunting blinds for morel hunters. It is specially designed with open floors, so you can see them better.

Mike S. said:

Don't know if they all counted, but I voted hunt, fish, and wish I had more time to do them both.

As soon as the river gets down to a reasobable level so I can launch my boat I'll be out there on Saturdays and maybe a weekday evening thrown in now and then. Bass, catfish, sunfish, and the occasional rogue carp or sucker are the quarry, with bass being the most prized. I don't get into that elbow-to-elbow trout fishing for stocked fish. It just ain't my thing.



Mike,

The poll was set up to allow multiple answers. Fishing will be the big winner from what we see this early. The pan fish you mention are fun and I catch them all the time. Sometimes, that's all you get and you're glad to have hooked anything. I have a few pics of some Yellow Perch for yuk yuks. I will be posting some of the pics I used for avitars, but they will be better for viewing. So, no problem opening the attachments? Good. ;) :smokin:

How about putting a pocket fisherman in your golf bag?
That's not a bad idea Al, may even be able to supplement the club collection!!!

When I golfed on the Weapons Station in South Carolina we use to carry a baseball bat with us. There were a couple allegators that liked to sun themselves on the side of one of the elevated tees. You had to have someone watch your back. They never did hurt anyone but you could always tell when they were out. Most people made par on that hole!!:eek:

db said:

I was looking forward to spending my time fishing for monster pike (Ken's would have been bait)

Fishermen are also notoriously known for stretching the truth. I have a Brother-In-Law that tells me all the time whenever I show him a pic of a recent catch that he throws away bigger. No matter what I show him. He forgets that I have to bait his hook, when he goes out every two years. :vfunny: So have at it ole Grand Master. This is the thread to spin those yarns!:p :ko: :smokin:

So have at it ole Grand Master

Oh, I hate it when someone has me pegged! :biglaugh:

If my memory serves me correctly, I remember seeing a decent pike in a picture (I admit it MIGHT have been Ken's - if it was his, then I have no photos to use as a method of "topping" his)

In my youth, Fletcher's Pond did not have size limits on it. I knew of a gent from Ohio that did use an 18" northern for bait! Those days are long gone, now a 30" is considered a monster! :(

If I do land a trophy, I will make sure I get something postable for all of you. :thedeal:

db said:

..... hunting mushrooms (morels - you have to sneak up on them carefully), and picking wild blueberrys. Now, I just come to work and share all of my expertise with companies that wish to excell!

BTW, I also sell hunting blinds for morel hunters. It is specially designed with open floors, so you can see them better.

Dave,

I didn't realize that Michigan had morel mushrooms. When do they start coming out? Here in Iowa we should start seeing the early ones next week. We have two different varieties the gray and the yellow. They come in about two weeks apart. I like your idea of the blind. We do mostly drives in this area, some plane hunting a little further west.

energy said:

So, no problem opening the attachments? Good. ;) :smokin:
:rolleyes: You remind me of an old hound dog I had as a kid. NOTHING would stop him from pursuing a trail once he set his mind on it. He once dug a wounded rabbit out of its hole, digging back into that hole a good 6 feet until he came out with the rabbit. Of course he's dead now...:smokin:

I didn't realize that Michigan had morel mushrooms. When do they start coming out? Here in Iowa we should start seeing the early ones next week. We have two different varieties the gray and the yellow. They come in about two weeks apart. I like your idea of the blind. We do mostly drives in this area, some plane hunting a little further west.

We have white and black. Could be the same as your yellow and gray, I don't know. Typically, you can count on Mother's Day as peak, but I've seen some as late as July 4th. I've tried drives before, but the idea of a gang of drunk morel hunters all in the woods together scares me. As far as plane hunting, the woods are too full of folks, once you bagged one, someone would snatch it up before you could land and get to the spot. I know the DNR has used heliocopoters to tranqulize them for tagging, but that is about as close as I've seen.

If you are interested in a blind, my new site www.morelhuntingblinds.com should be up in a week or so.

db said:



In my youth, Fletcher's Pond did not have size limits on it. I knew of a gent from Ohio that did use an 18" northern for bait!
Energy,

You started the thread, so tell me are there any rules as to what constitutes fishing and hunting here? I mean, does POND fishing count as real fishing? How 'bout shooting ducks in a barrel as hunting? :vfunny: :biglaugh:

Mike, Because you are obviously niave at these things, I will be nice. Now I know you East Coast folks don't know much about inland water fishing, and therefore excuse your misunderstanding. :rolleyes:

Fletcher's Pond, AKA Flether's Floodwaters is the 3rd largest body of inland water in Michigan (by acres). It is a "pond" because its average depth is less than 10 feet. It is also known as Michigan's premier fishing lake (although it is not a lake). There are stumps and trees throughout the lake, making it hazardous for watersports, but ideal for fishing. :smokin: :thedeal:


BTW, I use the term "inland" lakes because, despite what others think the Great Lakes are fresh water. I know a lad from Florida that said Lake Okachobee (I know its spelled wrong) was the US's largest fresh water lake. Lake superior has more acreage than the entire State of Florida! Michigan also has more registered boats than Florida, and more golf courses! So take that! :bonk:

Mike S. said:

Energy,

You started the thread, so tell me are there any rules as to what constitutes fishing and hunting here? I mean, does POND fishing count as real fishing? How 'bout shooting ducks in a barrel as hunting? :vfunny: :biglaugh:

I once had access to a "Farm" Pond so small I had to be careful that I didn't cast across and land in the field behind it. It supported quite a Bass population. As I never, usually, keep anything I have several pictures of 3, 4 and 5+ pounders from there. No more access though. Fish Farms count. You know where they charge you to fish? All catch and release. Good practice so you know what works and what doesn't? Pics are the way to go. Grasshopper!:vfunny: :ko: :smokin:

Mike said:
How 'bout shooting ducks in a barrel as hunting?
Change the ducks for Canadian Geese and you got yourself a deal! You'll need a bigger barrel though:vfunny:


db said:
Lake superior has more acreage than the entire State of Florida!
Now I've been on the North Atlantic in a winter storm and it was no fun at all! I also had the misfortune to be out on Lake Superior in early November last year. I don't know which was worse. Say what you will about "Pond fishing" but if you're out in the middle of Superior in a storm, you'll believe you are in the middle of the ocean!
Personnally I enjoy fresh water fishing much more than salt water fishing. Don't take me wrong, I haven't had a pike or bass beat the fight of even a 3 foot shark. I just like the kick back feel of a lake. You won't see many party barges in Charleston Harbor! It's hard to keep the fridge in one place unless bolted down and it's too easy to spill your beer.:)

This is a stone throw away out my back door!

This is across the street I live on (South Commerce) and a quarter mile down the sidestreet!

db said:

Mike, Because you are obviously niave at these things, I will be nice. Now I know you East Coast folks don't know much about inland water fishing, and therefore excuse your misunderstanding. :rolleyes:

Fletcher's Pond, AKA Flether's Floodwaters is the 3rd largest body of inland water in Michigan (by acres). It is a "pond" because its average depth is less than 10 feet. It is also known as Michigan's premier fishing lake (although it is not a lake). There are stumps and trees throughout the lake, making it hazardous for watersports, but ideal for fishing. :smokin: :thedeal:

db,

Consider me duly chastised! I was mostly kidding, and surely was not thinking of something so huge when you said "pond".

However, some people I know go to "farm ponds" -- ponds of 1/4 to 2 acres in size -- and regularly catch large bass (large for our area -- say 3-5 pounders) and beat their chests at such a great accomplishment. I too have fished farm ponds as a kid (when I couldn't make it to the river) and there is no comparison. My buddy caught a 3 pound bass in this farm pond and landed it with almost no effort -- it had no more fight than a half-pound sunfish from a river. I couldn't believe the size of the fish relative to how easily he landed it. It is fun for kids and such but IMO it is not nearly as challenging as fishing a river or other large body of water, and comparing the "take" from such a pond to the "take" from a river or large lake is like comparing driving to the local market in your car to driving in the the Indy 500.

Hunting has similar issues. Some folks like to hunt in small enclosed private "game farms" and such where the game is fenced-in and often trucked-in. A kill is guaranteed in many of these places, the "hunt" can be often completed in an afternoon, and often the game is of "trophy size", but IMO it is no trophy.

Where this stuff is legal I don't begrudge the sportsman from patronizing these places provided there is some degree of fair-chase. We sportsmen get enough fight from the anti-hunting/fishing crowd that we don't need to fight each other. But one must consider their own ethical and moral compass and act accordingly and within the law.

I know folks who, if they saw a huge 12-point sleeping buck in their backyard during deer season, would shoot it and proudly have it mounted, bragging on their kill. It might be legal, but it ain't hunting to me. Me, I'd take a picture and hope to see something similar out in the woods where I could "hunt" it, not "shoot" it.

In reality, IMO, the real trophy quality of a fish or game animal is relative and is determined primarily by the sportsman themself, in his/her own mind, based on the circumstances of the situation. My daughter's first fish was a 4" sunfish, but it was a trophy to her. And me.

I was mostly kidding

I'm sure of that Mike, my response was light hearted as well! :) Actually, "Fletcher's Pond" does sound like some small thing you can spit across what ole' mad Fletcher uses to water his Holsteins! :vfunny:

My daughter's first fish was a 4" sunfish, but it was a trophy to her. And me.

That is soooooooo important! My daughter is graduating from HS this year. Her first fish was when she about 3. She baited her own hook (I used"barbless" hooks - just in case), dropped the bait over the boat and reeled the fish in herself. Wouldn't let dad help! (she still is that way) I did have to take it off the hook though. Other than that all I could do was just watch and smile. This summer I might teach her how to use my fly rod (that is if I can figure it out first)

Send pictures!

Randy Stewart said:
"I also had the misfortune to be out on Lake Superior in early November last year. I don't know which was worse."

Remember the Edmund Fitzgerald? That happened on Superior in November. I've seen Lake Michigan act up in the winter. It is awe inspiring.

Craig

All this talk about kids and the enjoyment they experience makes me have to post this. Third generation fisherman, (Grandson)even though he is becoming a computer geek. He's running towards me to show me his catch. Look at that proud face. Priceless..:smokin:

Great picture Energy!!! I have the bathing suit/life jacket for my little one. Have you seen these things? They have a float ring sewn into the bathing suit! Last year at Hawk Lake, I'd tie her onto the paddle boat and she would swim around on 1 side and I'd cast on the other. I couldn't send the afternoon on the lake but it was fantastic. She just turned 2 so maybe she'll be up to fish a little.:thedeal: :smokin:

You guys don't know what a beautiful lake looks like, you only think you know. The attached is a photo of Bicycle Lake from the top of Tiefort Mountain (ele. 5000ft+). This is typical of all the lakes in our area


p.s The lake is at to bottom of the mountain and there are fish in it (sort of)

I see a couple of fellow Michigan folk here.

Anybody have the pleasure of bottom bouncing with a treble hook for walleye in the Detroit river or the St. Clair.

On the St. Clair we have to watch out for sturgeon.:)

Okay, in the spirit of bragging and lying...:vfunny:

What fish and/or game animal(s) are your favorite or most memorable "trophies" and why? I'm not talking strictly which ones were the biggest or scored highest on some rating system, although this might be a part of it, but what you personally consider your most memorable.

Here's one from me: My first buck was an averaged size (for the area) 4-point with a smallish rack. Since then, I've killed deer with bigger bodies and racks, but this one is still my favorite and most memorable buck because it was my first buck after several years of hunting hard with no luck, and missing one buck that was much nicer a year or so before that I had relived and lamented hundreds of times. I worked hard for that buck and it felt really good, but I must admit that at the same time it made me a little bit sad that I had killed him. I still feel this twinge of sadness every time I kill game. I know it might sound strange to non-hunters, or, maybe I'm just strange.

Most memorable trophy? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

There was this one day I responded to an assist a citizen call and wound up killing a 3 pound rat in a lady's living room. It took 2 blows with a 3 foot hickory riot baton to subdue the sucker.

H3ll of a fight!!!!:eek:

I'll share with you an article I wrote for a local outdoors paper a while back. It's about my memories of a special person who instilled upon me my love for the outdoors.


energy, I've never met a fisherman who fibbed. Must be an east coast thing. :lick:

db, my fish for bait?????? Must be some huge gators that would eat a 50" 40 pound northern. :rolleyes: :D

So now I'm looking for pics. Gotta have them around here someplace......

Ken K said:

I'll share with you an article I wrote for a local outdoors paper a while back. It's about my memories of a special person who instilled upon me my love for the outdoors.


energy, I've never met a fisherman who fibbed. Must be an east coast thing. :lick:

db, my fish for bait?????? Must be some huge gators that would eat a 50" 40 pound northern. :rolleyes: :D

So now I'm looking for pics. Gotta have them around here someplace......

Ken, Great story. I know the feeling. Don't really know where I got it from except that Dad couldn't catch a fish if it jumped in his pocket. Maybe, that was it! Dig deep, my man. We own this thread! Ya think?
:vfunny: :ko: :smokin:

My most remembered trophy, hmmmm.

My youngest son (now 18) was around 3 when his mother and I split. I was sent overseas for 3 years shortly after so we grew apart. About 7 years ago he came up (from South Carolina) to spend a few weeks with me and I just had to take him fishing. We went out and bought a new pole (an Ugly Stick) and fixed him up real good. We spent most of the day on the lake (Hawk Lake) in the paddle boat cooling off now and then by jumping in and basically catching nothing but bluegill, sunfish and pumpkin seeds. It started raining in the early afternoon and Paul (my son) was concerned that we would have to go home.
Now you know what happens if you have a nice light rain coming down so I pulled us up to a good drop off point and set him up with a purple worm. It wasn't long before his eyes got big and he started getting excited! I started coaching him and he was trying and trying to get this guy in the boat! Every now and then you would see this guy jump out of the water and he looked hugh!
In what seemed like seconds to me (and probably hours to both Paul and the fish) a nice 17" bass was pulled up in the net. I know that isn't a monster but for Paul, being his first bass, it might as well have been a whale!!!
That bass will never be written up in Field and Stream, it didn't win the Bass Masters and it wasn't mounted on any wall. But it has to be the best trophy fish ever caught for us.
That one day on the lake healed a bunch of wounds in both of us.
Attached is a picture of my boys and I on the lake later that summer mentioned above. James (on the left) will be returning from Iraq hopefully soon and Paul (on the right) is going to Austrailia in July for the International High School Track Meet . Looking at going to Penn State next year, oh well it's not Michigan but at least it's a Big Ten School!!!!

Now here's the little one. She was about 3 month old at the time. Before anyone turns me in for abuse, no she didn't get a ride on the jet ski that day. Last year she did and she loves the water!!!!

Don't really know where I got it from except that Dad couldn't catch a fish if it jumped in his pocket.

I know what you mean energy. My dad wasn't a hands on type of guy. He worked six days a week and slept most of the time. Every so often he brought me home a baseball. I guess it was his way of showing affection.


Hunting started for me around age 12. My brother came home on leave from the Navy and bought me a Remington 22 auto and a case of LR's. Great chipmunk and squirrel gun. Still is.

I probably hunted just as much as fishing during my youth. Back then nobody had their land posted, but we still asked permission. The sweet sound of a beagle on a bunny trail was unforgetable.
Pheasants were wild and not stocked and you had enough room to hunt deer without being crowded.

Now it's bow hunting and turkey's. My wife sort of put a damper on my hunting though. The first year we were married I tracked this huge buck most of the bow season. Never presented a clear shot and he drove me nuts. I think I moved my stand 10 times and I think he watched me do it each time.
Finally, during the gun hunt, on Thanksgiving morning he screwed up and I finally baged him. 16 points and a FD weight of 217. Beautiful animal. Well, I got it home and the wife came out and looked at the deer and then me and started crying. When I asked what was wrong she said "you killed Bambi". Now the deer go straight to the processor.


I worked hard for that buck and it felt really good, but I must admit that at the same time it made me a little bit sad that I had killed him. I still feel this twinge of sadness every time I kill game. I know it might sound strange to non-hunters, or, maybe I'm just strange.

Remember when you were young Mike. Your hunting success was probably based on the amount of game you brought home? Now,
many more things make a hunt successful. You've learned to respect the game you hunt. And that's a good thing.

As Uncle Teddy Nugent calls it, "The Spirit of the Wild". I'm not a fanatic such as he, but our sport needs more voices like him and more People Eating Tasty Animals. :D

KEN SAID "Remember when you were young Mike. Your hunting success was probably based on the amount of game you brought home?"

Not as much as you might think. See, even though I had about 300 acres of farmland a neighbor owned to hunt on, it didn't have much game on it. Fairly clean farming, too many foxes, some pockets of inpenetrable cover, a good many other hunters who hunted it hard in groups on opening day, and whatever else, but it wasn't overly loaded with game. I hunted almost every fall day after school but maybe only 1 or 2 of those days got anything at all. But it was fun, and free, and I was on my own, and when rabbit hunting the sound of my beagle on a trail was totally enjoyable. So I guess I learned early on that if I only measured success in a heavy game bag I might as well quit. Even back then I'd not shoot sitting game unless I was using a rifle or it was a long shot w/ a shotgun on a squirrel -- it didn't seem sporting enough. Of course now sometimes I will let the game go rather than shoot it if I'm not particularly keen on cleaning it, I just "shoot it" w/o pulling the trigger, which I would not have done as a teen, so maybe to some degree you're right.

I was thinking about Mike’s post where he mentions that the killing bothers him a bit. I’m not a hunter but I, too feel a slight revulsion when cutting the head off a fish and scooping out the insides. No, seriously. I do it because it comes with the territory. As most of my fishing these days consists of shooting them with a digital camera, I do very little of that. As I have mentioned before, Salt Water fishing is where I’m apt to bring home some meat and I pitch in with the cleaning. We joked a bit about Ken’s hemostats previously, but they are the best tool to use to ensure that you can release (if you choose to do so) the fish with minimal damage to it. On several occasions the hook is buried so deep, if it’s real hungry or you don’t realize it’s on, that it requires some time and surgery to dislodge it. It just looks the fish isn’t going to make it. My son and I have put them in the water and moved them back and forth until those gills get working. Imagine seeing two guys just staring into the water with concern for something we just lured into being caught. I think it is a normal feeling to have Mike and I wouldn’t consider you strange. Anal? Maybe. :vfunny: I also think that anybody that doesn’t experience some feelings like those may also be capable of hurting people without blinking an eye. Anyway, enough blubbering. Here’s another pic of the Grandson with his clothes on this time displaying a giant Yellow Perch. :ko: :smokin:

You know, it's a heck of alot easier to practice C&R while fishing than hunting. Sort of hard to release a dead deer with it's insides now outside from a slug.

Gotta love the hemostat's. The best multi purpose tool ever invented. Smell.......what smell? It's only from a weedy fish. :cool:

Ken K said:

You know, it's a heck of alot easier to practice C&R while fishing than hunting. Sort of hard to release a dead deer with it's insides now outside from a slug.

Gotta love the hemostat's. The best multi purpose tool ever invented. Smell.......what smell? It's only from a weedy fish. :cool:

I had a neighbor that used to use the kids swing set as a frame for gutting his deer. I would see him half inside this thing all covered with blood and think, "Not for me". And, yes, those hemos are a beautiful thing!! :eek: :smokin:

What a great smile he has there energy. That's a nice size perch he's pulled in.
I'm not a hunter, got my feel of climbing through bushes in the military and have just never desired to go back. I'm not against it, I use to small game hunt in my teens.

Ken said:
As Uncle Teddy Nugent calls it, "The Spirit of the Wild".
I agree Ken, and I agree there probably needs to be a couple more Teds out there. He is one person that has paid some dues, has seen both sides of the coin and is back down to earth. I respect the man and I like his music.
Anyway, it may not be sitting in a blind but being on the lake at sunrise, watching the mist burn off the water, listening to the fish come up and grab a meal or get away from becoming a bass breakfast, hearing a big bull frog hit the water and having a dragon fly touch down on your fishing pole to say good morning, there's just nothing like it. :smokin:

Gotta love the hemostat's. The best multi purpose tool ever invented.

What about Frank Zappa's "Zircon Encrusted Tweezers"?
Remember? "With a pair of heavy duty zircon encrusted tweezers in my hand, all the other wranglers would think, I was mighty grand. By myself I wouldn't have no boss. I'd be raising my lonely dental floss"!

Hey, just going along with the smell joke there Ken!
:thedeal: :biglaugh:

Randy Stewart said:

Hey, just going along with the smell joke there Ken!
:thedeal: :biglaugh:

It didn't go unnoticed.

OOO OOO that smell
Don't you love that smell
OOO OOO that smell
the smell of it surrounds you

Do you think Deer like that smell? And you say that you can't find any deer! :ko: :smokin: :bonk:

I had the pleasure of meeting Ted a couple of weeks ago at a bowhunters banquet. He had the whole place laughing so hard with his presentation. Really nice guy and yes, great music too.

Him and Heston should get together for an evening out. :eek:


Don't know what you guys are talking about.....mine DOES smell like fish that have gotten ahold of some dead weed. Honest!
Remember, I'm a fisherman and fisherman don't lie!

It's nice to hear hunting & fishing stories.

It took me back to when i was a kid sitting on the banks of the River Wharfe during the long summer holidays waiting for the Brownies to bite, some days I didn't have a nibble! But that didn't matter.

For the record I was taught by my Great Uncle Joe, he unfortunately passed away last month. His ashes are now floating down the River Ure towards Whitby as I type. Joe converted me from Coarse to Fly fishing, i will be forever greatfull for that. (strange how fishing memories as a kid aways makes you misty eyed!).

Unfortunately I don't get much time to fish now. And as I have a new job which means that i have to sell up and move south time is even tighter. If anybody knows of good trout fishing in Warwickshire please let me know. Will miss the yorkshire "stolen fortnight at the start of the season!!

Well I hope you all have good fishing :bigwave:

energy said:

It didn't go unnoticed.

OOO OOO that smell
Don't you love that smell
OOO OOO that smell
the smell of it surrounds you


Talk about misquoted lyrics! :rolleyes:

Am I the only one with hemostats (the curved type are better!) that were used only for fish? Well, and once for surgery on a person! :confused:

As for the Ted N. references: I kinda like Ted, he is smart, speaks the truth, promotes the outdoors, can be very well spoken when he wants to be, and doesn't sugar-coat anything, but sometimes I've seen him being more than a little vulgar on TV when promoting the outdoors. There was more beeping, bleeping, and "fuzzying out" the oicture of Ted's hand than you could shake an ugly stick at. That, IMO, isn't helpful for the image of sportsmen. And his music -- I saw him in concert a few years ago. One of his "songs" was an audience participation kinda thing where he would scream out the name of a disliked politician or media figure and the crowd would shout in reply "kiss my a$$". What a hoot. And, IMO, the guitar riffs on Cat Scratch Fever are one of the all-time classics.

Well Mike he didn't get the name "Motor City Madman" for nothing, but I do know what you mean. He was and is a rocker and I guess you got to expect it.
My favorite song "Strangle Hold" followed closely by "Snake Skin Cowboys". Just to throw a jab; I thought "Cat Scratch Fever" made him sound like Stevie (3 Chord) Miller!!!!!:biglaugh:

So There!

Steve Miller??? :rolleyes: Whew! That was a flaming arrow, not a jab!

Stranglehold is a good one, too. I don't count chords, heck I don't understand music enough to do it. I just listen, and if I hear something I like, I listen to it more. To a purist I suppose the number of chords used means something, but I could care less. My favorite guitarist overall has to be Eddie van Halen, but there are lots of guitarists who are much less famous and gifted who have some guitar solos I really love, too.

Mike S. said:

Am I the only one with hemostats (the curved type are better!) that were used only for fish? Well, and once for surgery on a person! :confused:

As for the Ted N. references: but sometimes I've seen him being more than a little vulgar on TV when promoting the outdoors. There was more beeping, bleeping, and "fuzzying out" the oicture of Ted's hand than you could shake an ugly stick at. That, IMO, isn't helpful for the image of sportsmen.

"The Dangerous Lives of Altarboys". Great flick! Ever catch one of these? Yes, Fishing.:p

If your ever deep sea fishing and you hook this one, cut the line immediately. I'm just in one of the mischievous moods. Forgive me!

:biglaugh: :ko: :smokin:

energy said:

"The Dangerous Lives of Altarboys". Great flick! Ever catch one of these? Yes, Fishing.:p
Altarboys and turtles? A link??? I'm lost.

Anyway, I have caught a few small turtles when fishing. Hate it. More often had a stringer of fish virtually "disappear" overnight from turtles. Catch eels now and again too -- another pain.

As for the squid: Shame on you!

energy:

Did you catch that (the turtle, I mean) in CT? I didn't know they went that far north.

Interesting creatures, Loggerhead turtles. What ever you do, don't try to unhook him with your hand!!

As far as squid go, I am going to stand back and watch the reaction. Glad you are far to the north!!

Craig

Mike S. said:

Altarboys and turtles? A link??? I'm lost.



Must be those Hemostats!! ;)

Watch those fingers!:ko: :smokin:

Craig H. said:

energy:

Did you catch that (the turtle, I mean) in CT? I didn't know they went that far north.

Interesting creatures, Loggerhead turtles. What ever you do, don't try to unhook him with your hand!!

As far as squid go, I am going to stand back and watch the reaction. Glad you are far to the north!!

Craig

This particular lake is loaded with them. The one in the attachments is small by comparison. On real warm days, they're everywhere. Raise **** with the shiners. We call them Snapping Turtles. I once went to a farm where a real old timer showed us how to dress them out. No thanks. Besides, in these times they probably picked up a lot of PCB's and Mercury. It was interesting to note that the "fillets" never stopped moving even when they were put into freezer wrap. :vfunny: :smokin:

What the heck. One more. These fish are the best tasting Salt Water Fish, IMHO, out there. Takes a careful hand to make sure you get all the meat when you fillet, but Man Oh Man, what eating. You make a crab meat stuffing. Roll the fillet around the stuffing, pin it with a toothpick and pop it on the grill. Fantastic! :) :smokin:

Oh, these are Fluke, not Flounder! But, Flounder is just as good!

How about that, a hunting & fishing thread.

Sorry it took me so long to get in and vote. My chores at my job have actually included work, and a lot of it. A lot of turmoil right now too.

Anyway, yeah, I hunt, fish, shoot, campout, canoe, and even hike a little. I indulge in about anything that will get me outdoors and closer to the lakes, rivers, and forests. There is no other place I'd rather be. I never have enough time to do it as often as I'd like, but I am working on allocating my time better.

As someone posted already, I have a son who is almost 9, and is already a better shot than me, and usually catches the biggest fish. The time the two of us spend together in the woods or on a lake or river are treasures we will have forever.

Nice thread.
-Dan-

D_Wood said:

As someone posted already, I have a son who is almost 9, and is already a better shot than me -Dan-

Probably due to more practice. I'll bet he has a BB gun he uses all the time. In my youth I had a Daisy (880 powerline??) that you pump from 1 to 10 times depending on the power you wanted. I actually had 3 of 'em -- they kept wearing out in the warranty period! At 10 pumps it would put a BB thru both sides of a 5 gallon steel bucket. I shot it all the time, most every day, at blackbirds, pop cans, pinecones, anything. It had rough iron sights and a bad trigger but I had good eyes and was deadly with that thing. When I got my .22 I was the same way -- not many people could outshoot me. Now...well that's another story. :(

skullsike said:

Now I like to debone those flukeflounders and stuff the cavity with the crab meat or a crawfish & shrimp rice stuffing but what is better than that is a turtle sauce piquant !


Dont throw away that turtle that is gold down here!

Pepper will kill dat pcb and the mercury will rise :biglaugh:

Hey Skull,

You never finished that recipe you posted, for the inquiring minds. Like what size cans, etc..Take care of unfinished business, for Goodness "Sikes", before we see the Turtle Sauce Pissant!
:vfunny: :smokin:

Mike S. said:

not many people could outshoot me.

Now, that's no Bull! :smokin: Have a good weekend. Fishin Sunday!

skullsike said:

I told ya go look!:lick:


OOOOOPS! Mea Culpa.
:agree: :smokin:

Turtle meat is great. I had it in Florida back in the late 60's, early 70's. It was turtle soup with a turtle and frogleg type of stew and rice. I was about 14 at the time. Of course this was also a time when they stitched dried baby gators to womens purses in Tarpon Springs. Boy they had some good eats there and you could actually buy real sponges off of the docks.!!!!

I can only imagine that once in a lifetime tase now and of course turtle is now in short order. This was back when there were lots of turtle and few gators, the it has come full circle. I've never tasted gator but I hear it's good!!!:bigwave:

And no, Turtle does not tase like Chicken, it tastes like Turtle!!:)

pancreas said:

Turtle meat is great. I had it in Florida back in the late 60's, early 70's. It was turtle soup with a turtle and frogleg type of stew and rice.
I understand from a friend who visited China a few years back that their finest turtle soup recipe involves putting the WHOLE live turtle into a pot of water, and simmering it until the shell gets soft, then the whole mess is ladled into your bowl. Yecch! :eek:

pancreas

Gator tail is good, but it has to be VERY tenderized or its like shoe leather.

We (in GA) are getting our first gator season this year, I think.

I am told that the old timers here used to wade in the river and catch the turtles on the bottom, by hand. I'm not sure I believe it, but I have heard this from a few independant sources...

Of course, back then there were no aligators in the river, either.

Craig

Mike S. said:

I understand from a friend who visited China a few years back that their finest turtle soup recipe involves putting the WHOLE live turtle into a pot of water, and simmering it until the shell gets soft, then the whole mess is ladled into your bowl. Yecch!

There is a blueish looking sack inside that must never be compromised lest you release all kind of bad stuff onto the flesh. I saw it and it is abominable. But, for the Chinese, that may be a blessing!;) Bon Apetite! :smokin:

Turtles! I won't bore you guys with another story, but we used to catch them for a local bar owner. He gave us 29 cents a pound.

He actually made bowls out of the shells and served the soup in them. Man, I have not had turtle soup in years...guess I might have to fix that.

energy, out turkey hunting tomorrow in the am and then a fish and game banquet tomorrow night.

Well look what happens when you turn your back for a minute! All I can say is "I resemble that remark energy"! However, I was not a surface puke so in actuality I was not a "squid", I was either a "bubble head" or "brown water sailor" depending on my rotation. We learned to expect that kind of stuff from those uneducated, stuck-up, prissy boys that were so scared of the "real" Navy that they had to play "aerodale". I don't know how many times I've come back from a 90 - 120 day deployment and would be walking down the pier to hear some over weight, wind bag of a chief (E-7 +) tell me to get a hair cut!!! Where we went we didn't have a ships store or barber. That was for all those spoiled cry babies too afraid to cut the apron string from mama. They just couldn't take being away from all those luxuries of shore!!!!:biglaugh: :vfunny: Bottom line is that if you couldn't take a joke you had no place in the Navy!
Got the boat in the water Friday, but ended up going to PA on Saturday for my son's track meet. My son Paul won the Midwestern Athletic Conference Pole Vault Championship and made the Lawrence County Track Honor Roll!!!!! He jump 14'2" and on his last attempt just brushed the bar at 14'6"! This weekend he's in the WPIAL playoffs. Got all summer to fish but only a couple more months to see him jump in high school.

Mike S.

I have the Daisey 880 for my use. My son's gun is the Crosman 760. Mine is very accurate shooting the pellets, but BB's kind of wander. My son's Crosman is deadly with BB's, but wanders with pellets.

As for turtles, I helped my Dad trap turtles for years when I was younger. We went through many "cleaning" techniques. Besides the head, them claws could get you too. Now I know this may sound cruel, but it was actually very quick, and precise. The best method we ever derived to kill the turtle so we could clean it was using a suicide cord. You put one lead in the turtle's anus and got the turtle to bite the other lead. Then plug in the cord. :eek:
Now cleaning the turtle was very easy. There was no alteration to the taste of the meat. As in all turtle meat, each piece has its own unique flavor.
-Dan-

Randy Stewart said:

I don't know how many times I've come back from a 90 - 120 day deployment and would be walking down the pier to hear some over weight, wind bag of a chief (E-7 +) tell me to get a hair cut!!! Where we went we didn't have a ships store or barber. That was for all those spoiled cry babies too afraid to cut the apron string from mama. They just couldn't take being away from all those luxuries of shore.

That was the main reason I didn't re-up. Too much chicken sh1t! I always had a problem with authority. I mean someone with one more stripe expecting you genuflect got to be too much. Having one boss is bad enough. Having thousands is much worse. I have been written up for having my sleeves rolled while taking garbage to the fantail!. I ended up in the mess decks for telling that Master-At-Arms what do do with his report. Imagine this guy hiding behind the Admiral's launch to prey on us poor slobs doing a distasteful chore. Good thing he didn't follow us out there. "Man Overboard". I knew that wasn't the real Navy. But, another 4 years was too risky to gamble and if I made the wrong choice, I would have ended up in the Brig with guys like Randy busting my ba**s! :vfunny: :ko: :smokin:

Those guys always seemed to be the ones that made it due to just being around too long or re-upping for it. They didn't have a clue about leadership. I saw a few marines come back from a LRRP one time (maybe out for 4 days) with there uniforms ripped up from elephant grass and a butter bar started ragging on them about proper dress! Their LT about ripped his head off!
We were lucky most of the time, we didn't have to deal with MAAs and when we were on base most of them gave us a wide berth. But I know what you mean.
Anyway, meanwhile back at the ranch . . . .
There was a restuarant in Charleston called Poogan's Porch that specialized in 'gator! I tried some at the Charleston Taste Fest and fell in love. That is some of the best eating there is. :smokin:

You guy's were such great dance partners.:vfunny:

One of the benefits of serving on a capital class ship was the ability to escape to Marine Country. We never got invaded except for the occasional visit by the Captain, XO, CAG (on carriers) and the ships Master Chief and 1 or 2 other heavy weights. We definitely didn't have the average squid dropping by to shoot-the-sh*t.

The crew guys did enjoys the opportunities we gave them to fire our weapons off the aft when we were training, they particularly like the M-60 and M-203 or M-79

A few of us Flight Deck pussys would be standing around shooting the bull and we hear "Make a hole" a split second before getting slammed in the back by a prisoner the Jarheads were running around to keep them fit. The Jarhead would laugh and say, "I told you to make a hole!" Once we were sunning ourselves near our Birds and we were laughing at these Gung Ho soldiers running around in the 90+ degree temp in full combat gear. After a couple of laps of our snickering, they started to sing something in cadence that sounded very much like the last line was "and we're gonna kick the sh1t out of you". I went below to the air conditioned Ready Room. It seemed like a safer place to be!:vfunny: :ko: :smokin:

Hey look! I made a turtle map. Perhaps this needs to be in the ISO thread!

I know the marines use to love it when a Security Alert went down on the tender. If you didn't make yourself part of the bulkhead you usually ended up eating part of an M-16! I know I didn't like standing topside of the sub, with a muzzle hatch open on a missile tube and having about a dozen M-16s pointed down at you. No where to hide.

Every time we went to Kingsbay GA we had to play some full contact basketball with the marines. It was the only way those guys would give you any respect. Can't say I blame them, those guys put up with more crap than we had to. Their Gunny and our Chief made us quit after about the 4th game, too many from both sides were ending up at sickcall!!! With no refs and the only fouls were if you caused blood, all us got roughed up good.

db said:

Hey look! I made a turtle map. Perhaps this needs to be in the ISO thread!

Dave

'scuse me, but don't most processes have inputs AND outputs?


:vfunny:

'scuse me, but don't most processes have inputs AND outputs?

Craig, Thank you for the inquiry. Due to technical and proprietary reasons, the outputs have remained submerged and are thus shielded. We hope you understand. :thedeal:

db said:

Craig, Thank you for the inquiry. Due to technical and proprietary reasons, the outputs have remained submerged and are thus shielded. We hope you understand. :thedeal:


If you ask me, your process is all wet!!

Kinda crusty too, but still a shell of a good design.

Reckon it'll float?

:biglaugh:

Craig

Keeping with good taste and my fondness for sending attachments, here's a pic of my son watching his bobber that he casted about a 1/4 mile away. The result was a much undersized Pike, but worth the interest he shows. :smokin:

So, you have nothing to post? That's Okay. here's a pic of what it takes to be a successful Fisherman. I realize that not many of you can afford this kind of luxury, but keep trying. It's within your grasp!:vfunny: :smokin:

db,

Outstanding turtle picture, looks like a big sucker though! Might take 2 people to grab it let alone put it into the fryer!!!!

Sure we joke, but there are relatively few turtles left these days and those that are left should be let alone to reproduce. Then someday we can all enjoy turtle soup and turtle burgers!!!

Al...

Oh Lord. Now you've went and done it. Over the edge. Now you bring PETA into this thread! :rolleyes: There are more nuts in PETA than you can shake a stick at. These are the folks whose leaders say things like (paraphrasing from memory) "A dog is a pig is a rat is a boy. They all have equal right to live." They also took Mr. Arafat to task for his suicide bombers of late -- because they used a donkey to carry the bomb. :rolleyes:

Please -- no more PETA posts -- at least in this thread. Have some decency! :bonk:

Please -- no more PETA posts

Mike, earlier in the RoadKill thread someone pointed out that PETA stands for "People Eating Tasty Animals". I've since seen several tee shirts with that on them.

Sorry if I brought it up :eek:

You know what they say about a boat owner Engergy. The happiest days of their lives is the day they buy their boat and the day they sell it!!!! Don't know what I'd do without the fishing rig or the paddle boat.
I had a nice time on the lake last night. I don't know of a better way to get over the "chicken with it's head cutoff" running around, that takes place prior and during an audit. But now that I know fish feel pain . . . . even heard that report on my way home last night, it kept me up. I kept hearing those poor fish in the lake crying out over and over again. Couldn't get it out of my head, all night long I kept hearing their fishy little voices saying . . . . "Here I am, COME CATCH ME!" I can't wait until this weekend!!!:biglaugh: :vfunny:

Randy,

I went out from 7AM to 2:30 yesterday. Not a soul on the lake but me. I caught a half dozen fish. One greedy Calico required some expert sugery and it went back missing just a tiny, tiny, itty bitty piece of internal tissue. Never saw it come back up, so I hope all went well. No net or camera required. But, it is still nice. Water levels are up and they're really not biting yet. You gotta love it. ;) :smokin:

I bought some excellant shark at the commissary last week. It hardly put up a fight at all.;)

Here's one for you!

Here's another one. My sister sent me these pics. I'm not trying to sell you a fish story here!:biglaugh:

I've heard of big catfish, but that thing? Jeesh! I read where some lower Mississippi boys go "grappling" I think it is called, basically going underwater and pulling these huge cats -- like 100 pounds + out of traps. But I don't remember the pics being that big. Since I don't know I won't say, but it looks a bit suspicious to me. In the first pic the guy's biceps don't look strained despite him lifting such a huge fish. I dunno... :confused:

I do know that my personal largest cat, 10 pounds, would only be a light snack for that boy! But everything is relative. Relative to where I fish, 10 pounds is the largest cat I ever saw caught by anyone in over 25 years of fishing there.

Mike:

Actually, they don't pull them out of traps, but stump holes. They stick their hands in, and the cat bites it, thinking it is a fish. Then, they pull them out.

And, no, I haven't done this, but there was a fishing show on TV where they demonstrated the technique. Some of the fish they caught were about as big as those.

About 30 miles from here, there is a lake named Lake Sinclair that has a hydroelectric dam, and a large lake. The story goes that years ago some divers went in to inspect the dam, but had to leave because of some aggressive, quite large, catfish.

After the fishing the last few days, a sardene would be a trophy for me.

Craig

I agree Mike, I never take things off the internet as 100% true. You can do amazing things with graphic programs. I was looking at the ripples in the water, shadows, hand placement, etc. and they seem okay.
According to the email she sent this is called "noodling". I heard a STORY (could have been a sea story) of guy in SC doing this and had most of the skin on his hand peeled off. Seems he stuck his hand in a hole and the fish bit down past the glove. As he pulled his hand out the fish stayed put. I wasn't there so who knows? Good story and pics though.

Craig,

Traps was the wrong word. Baskets or boxes, I believe, rectangular, one end open, were placed at certain locations and the cats would sort of "den up" in them, then they'd feel with a toe or stick in the boxes to see if anyone was home, then go down UNDERWATER! after these big cats, and bring them up (sometimes). Not for the faint of heart. I just don't remember any pics that big. But my memory ain't perfect!

Stew, I was going to make my comment about them being the size of my "bait" again, but I got to admit...........


Those are big fish! Even if I had energy's fishing skills, I don't think I could land them on my ultralight gear. Although you know how big muskies get in these parts!

db said:

Those are big fish! Even if I had energy's fishing skills, I don't think I could land them on my ultralight gear. Although you know how big muskies get in these parts!

db,

Like you, I'm out of this one. My largest cat was 7lb 14oz and that's real good for this area. These cats are frightening. I have to look again but they appear to be missing those stingers we have on the type of cats around here. If they have them, you can get gutted real good.
:vfunny: :smokin:

No, I see them on the lead edge of the side fins, but they are not the proportional size to the Hornpouts (Bullhead) around here. I've got a few punctures by grabbing them the wrong way.

We have mostly channel cats, and the sharp spines on those front fins have gotten me more than once. Those cuts get really sore. I'd rather handle the big ones than the little ones, which often seem to get me on the release.

So, what do y'all use for bait? For me, it is mostly shiners that I dip from the river, and hellgrammites, or worms if I can't get the hellgrammites. On rare occasions creek chubs and/or stonecats are great, but hard to get anymore. When I get a hankerin' for casting artificials, I use mostly Rebel-type shallow-run minnows and Big-O type medium-running crankbaits.

So, what do y'all use for bait?

Mostly QMS auditors! :vfunny: :biglaugh:

So, what do y'all use for bait?
Consultants mostly, but if you want to use something that really works:biglaugh: especially for the bottom dwellers, try some hamburger. We'll take some with us and let it sit out all day. When the sun starts to dip in the sky just drop a line with some of the rancid meat on it and it doesn't take much time to get a bite! If you're fishing for those big guys in those pictures, use the whole cow!!!:biglaugh:

db and company, just kidding about using consultants for bait. With all the racket they make while you're putting in the hook and throwing them in the water, they scare away all the fish. Besides, you're taking a chance on getting a ticket for polluting!!!!!:biglaugh:smokin:

I guess I better be careful what I say about consultants now. I just received my first payment for consulting!!! :bonk:

Just to think, a few months ago I didn't know how to spell consultant, now I are one!!!:biglaugh:

Better watch my back, my daughter might try to use me for bait!:vfunny:

Just unthinkable,
Auditor, Management, CONSULTANT!!!!! What will stop this downward spiral? I may need to go into rehab!!!! "Say it ain't Joe, say it ain't so". Somebody stop me!:eek:

Auditor, Management, CONSULTANT!!!!! What will stop this downward spiral?

(To be read in the voice of Darth Vader) "So Randy Stewert, it appears you have been seduce by the dark side. Feel the power of the dark side." :eek:

Well now that I've visited the dark side I have to take a break to make sure I'm on the right track. I'm heading up to Lake City/Cadillac for the weekend to do some fishing. Should be overcast and rainy so hope to get a few good ones. Hopefully I won't be used for bait and I'll type at you Monday.
Happy Mothers Day to all of you who qualify (no energy not that type of mother :biglaugh: ).
:bigwave:

The only think I have caught recently gave me one helluva fight!

It swooped left, it swooped right, it dove to unbelievable depth before rearing its' head to me, a 5 pound carp with slime all over it. So much for the Flint River!!!:biglaugh:

I hear the locals call them "inland" perch,

Don't despair too much, Al, after all you got to go fishing, had a good fight, and you caught 5 pounds of good fertilizer!

Having never caught a carp, I always wondered what the attraction was. Around here, there is a particular ethnic group (Portuguese) that deliberately fishes for them (Golden Carp) and they would pay you for any you catch because the way they prepare them makes them more than palatable. Also, I was under the (false?) impression that they make a good, this spelling will be wrong, Gaviltafish. (Jewish?) Like a pickeled herring? I know that they put up a good fight because of their size. Any experts out there who know a use for this species besides garden fertilizer? If that's all they are good for, why take them, you greedy P****s?:vfunny: :smokin:

Energy said "Any experts out there who know a use for this species besides garden fertilizer? If that's all they are good for, why take them, you greedy P****s?"

What is a p****s?

Anyway, I can't say if they are good to eat or not. I've heard they aren't good and I've heard they are good "if prepared right", but I've heard that about crows and groundhogs, too, and never tried it.

But using them for fertilizer has nothing to do with "greed" on my part. I don't go after carp on purpose, but sometimes catch one anyway. They can put up a good fight, which is always fun. But I usually kill them because they wreck pure havoc on bass, sunfish, catfish, and other more desirable fish, destroying spawning areas, churning up the water into a mess, and eating like pigs. There are so many of them that there is no chance they will be fished-out. In my view they are kinda in the varmit category. JMO.

Mike S. said:

1. What is a p****s?

2. Anyway, I can't say if they are good to eat or not. I've heard they aren't good and I've heard they are good "if prepared right"

3. But I usually kill them because they wreck pure havoc on bass, sunfish, catfish, and other more desirable fish, destroying spawning areas, churning up the water into a mess, and eating like pigs. There are so many of them that there is no chance they will be fished-out. In my view they are kinda in the varmit category. JMO.

1. icks

2. See the website posted. There are lots of them. Go for it, Skull!

3. The information provided lends credence to your observation. They can be destructive, even though they were introduced to control vegetation. Enjoy.

Although carp are generally considered a nuisance by North American anglers, they are highly prized as sportfish in Europe, as they are often excellent fighters. A growing number of anglers in the US are becoming interested in carp as a sportfish. Although flavor varies with the quality of the water from which fish were captured, their sheer abundance has made them an important food fish in some areas.

Although common carp was not introduced to North America for aquatic weed control, its foraging behavior results in vegetation removal both by direct consumption and by uprooting due to its proclivity to dig through substrate in search of food. The latter activity also results in increased water turbidity. The common carp is the most often cited nuisance introduced fish in North America (Kohler and Stanley 1984) with millions of dollars having been spent for control and eradication, but with little success (Laycock 1966; Courtenay and Robins 1973).

In China, Carp were the first fish to be bread for food with several domesticated verities emerging.

KOSHER FISH
Carps and minnows (Family Cyprinidae), Including: the carp, leather carp, mirror carp (Cyprinus carpio); Crucian carp (Carassius carassius); Goldfish (Carassius auratus); tench (Tinca tinca); Splittail (Pogonichthys macrolepidotus); Squawfishes (Ptychocheilus species); Scramento backfish or hardhead (Orthodon microlepidotus); Freshwater breams (Abramis species, Blicca species
Izaak Walton - Author of "The Complete Angler" in 1653. writes: carp roe was in great demand by Jewish people in order to be made into caviar. The eggs of sturgeon were not admissible for kosher caviar because sturgeon are scaleless and, therefore, unclean.
For quite a few Carp recipes, visit:

http://www.idfishnhunt.com/eatcarp.htm

One more thing, it appears that in some parts of Australia/England, anglers are forbidden to return them to the water. Hence, good gardens!:vfunny: :smokin:

energy said:
My understanding that even non-contributors, like yourself can open attachments in the coffee break threads.

I can't open any attachments even in coffe break threads.
:confused:

ISO GUY said:

I can't open any attachments even in coffe break threads.
:confused:

Same here. It actually started a couple days ago. :confused:

ISO GUY said:

I can't open any attachments even in coffe break threads.
:confused:

ISO GUY,

What message are you getting? Besides one of not being wanted?:vfunny:

Jim Wade,

Pedant THIS :smokin:

If one were a pedant (whatever that is), which one feels like being today, one would observe that there are two interesting inaccuracies in this sentence.

1 Fish can never be bread. Even Jesus couldn't pull this one off!

Unless you have information that none of else has, it might be best to say "Jesus didn't" instead of "Jesus couldn't".

2 The consumption of fish - carp or otherwise - in China or elsewhere, although providing several benefits, does not lead to the emergence of enduring or necessary ethical, religious or aesthetic truths.

I'm not certain energy's comments mentioned the "emergence of enduring or necessary ethical, religious or aesthetic truths". It seems to me that this statement nonsensical in relation to energy’s post.

On the other hand:

with several domesticated verities emerging

What does this mean? Like did they vacuum, or perhaps become lap pets?

energy said:

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energy said:

ISO GUY,

What message are you getting? Besides one of not being wanted?:vfunny:



I get one that states I need to be a contributor to open/download the attachment.

I already knoew I was not wanted, I remember you don't like the younger people such as myself!
:biglaugh: :vfunny:

Hi, y'all

The pond I live on several years ago had a problem with Duckweed. By problem, I mean it was impossible to fish, the stringy weed was so thick. So, we put 20 - 30 grass carp in. These carp were sterile, and they did the trick on Duckweed. My next door neighbor caught one a couple of weeks ago that tipped the scales at 50 pounds! Wish I was there to take a picture.

Anyhow, no one here fishes for them much, but just throwing a cricket out is sometimes enough. Just hang on!

Craig

db said:

I'm not certain energy's comments mentioned the "emergence of enduring or necessary ethical, religious or aesthetic truths". It seems to me that this statement nonsensical in relation to energy’s post.


This is just Jim being Jim. The smart a$$ linguistic perfectionist. Verities means "Something, such as a statement, principle, or belief, that is true, especially an enduring truth". He has many times made fun of typos and misspellings of others' in their posts, as though he is the English teacher from he11 grading papers. Or maybe to show-off how smart he is? I dunno. Despite this his posts are not always free of spelling or grammar errors, but most people look at such minor mistakes, considering the forum (pardon the pun), as "who cares" and leave it alone. Not Jim. I guess it is just him being a pedant. :vfunny:

This is just Jim being Jim.

And that was just db being db. That db can be quite a smart alec himself! :eek:

ISO GUY said:

I get one that states I need to be a contributor to open/download the attachment.

I already knew I was not wanted, I remember you don't like the younger people such as myself!


That's not supposed to be. Maybe it was because Mike S. hinted to another member that they could post and open attachments for free in these threads. :vfunny:

As for the suggestion that I do not like younger people, you are mistaken. I like Nosmo!;)

ISO GUY said:

I get one that states I need to be a contributor to open/download the attachment.

I already knoew I was not wanted, I remember you don't like the younger people such as myself!


Yeah, I get the same thing. Maybe now if you don't pay the bucks you can't download anything for free? :confused: Or maybe just "the unwanted" get this!:eek:

energy said:

That's not supposed to be. Maybe it was because Mike S. hinted to another member that they could post and open attachments for free in these threads. :vfunny:


Oh nice! Something else I'm to blame for! :bonk:

Mike S. said:

Yeah, I get the same thing. Maybe now if you don't pay the bucks you can't download anything for free? :confused: Or maybe just "the unwanted" get this!:eek:

If that is true, it is unfortunate. I may have to reconsider my support for the site.

Energy said
"As for the suggestion that I do not like younger people, you are mistaken. I like Nosmo!"

I bet you are one of those dirty old men that go to the local mall and sits at the food court and watches all the young ladies! LOL
:vfunny: Just kidding dude!

ISO GUY said:

If that is true, it is unfortunate. I may have to reconsider my support for the site.

Energy said
"As for the suggestion that I do not like younger people, you are mistaken. I like Nosmo!"

I bet you are one of those dirty old men that go to the local mall and sits at the food court and watches all the young ladies! LOL
:vfunny: Just kidding dude!

I have to let that first sentence go. I promised. Let's just say "No tickee...no washee":vfunny:

As for the rest of it, I'll have you know that I shower daily. Kind of a carry over from those Navy days!:p

energy said:

I have to let that first sentence go. I promised. Let's just say "No tickee...no washee":vfunny:

As for the rest of it, I'll have you know that I shower daily. Kind of a carry over from those Navy days!:p

Say what you want. I can't justify the 25 bones a year for the privelage to download things, when I don't download a lot of things to begin with.

So I should presume you didn't shower daily prior to joining the Navy?? You are such a wiseacher!:biglaugh:

energy said:

As for the suggestion that I do not like younger people, you are mistaken. I like Nosmo!;)

The feeling is mutual, energy.

I like older people and you put me in mind of my grandfather!!

Nosmo King said:

The feeling is mutual, energy.

I like older people and you put me in mind of my grandfather!!

OUCH!!! LOL
:vfunny:

Jim Wade said:

But she (the teech) at least had standards about which she cared.

Right. Mike? :biglaugh: :vfunny:

Wazzat meen. youze are now gonna be da rezident grammer; speleng; and punktuation po-lice!

Nosmo King said:

The feeling is mutual, energy.

I like older people and you put me in mind of my grandfather!!
:vfunny: :biglaugh: :ko:

Dave, don't get all pedantic with me.

What does that mean? You Brits need to learn English! :biglaugh:

Nosmo King said:

The feeling is mutual, energy.

I like older people and you put me in mind of my grandfather!!

These guys think that being Gramps isn't fun. So, my little Nosmo, come sit on Grampy's lap and let's talk about these other not so far into the future Grampys. "What's that you say?" Oh just one of Grampys creaky old bones! :vfunny: :agree:

Energy, you should be ashamed, but I know you're not! :eek:

Mike S. said:

Energy, you should be ashamed, but I know you're not! :eek:

You guys should be ashamed of such open Senior Citizen abuse. Would you have preferred, "Oh, that's just Grampy's pocket knife."? A Kazoo? Yoyo? Whatever, have a nice Mother's Day!
:smokin:

Probably the best bait for carp is whole kernal corn. Chum the area first and then place a few on your hook.

A real challenge is bowfishing for carp. Early spring is the best time when they come into the shallows to spawn.

They are also very good smoked after being soaked in a brown sugar brine solution.

Here is a set-up to use.

swankhammer said:

Here is a set-up to use.

The best of both worlds. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Is it hunting or fishing? :vfunny: As I have never tasted Carp, are they as bony as Pickerel? Lot of bow for the young man.:smokin:

Here is a link to the best bait for using on the Flint River, guarateed rain or shine!


http://images.tntfireworks.com/tnt/images/FC/9/1/8/FC918_lg.jpg

Lets try that link again folks!!

Al...

Al Dyer said:

Here is a link to the best bait for using on the Flint River, guarateed rain or shine!

http://www.geocities.com/pyromasterman2003/Pyro_pics_123.jpg

Al...:eek:

I tried, my man! Nada, zilch, zero. Page unavailable-Yahoo. Maybe you can try again with a more detailed page? Try opening from here. I'm an interested fan.

All set now Energy.

Al Dyer said:

All set now Energy.

I wonder if you can send them by mail. Like, to Ohio! Label them as Barbecue Grill Briquets! :vfunny: :smokin:

It is classified as bowfishing, so you need a current fishing license.
Carp have far fewer bones than a northern or pickerel, although not as tasty as either one.

The way I figure it the Flint River is a tributary from all the old G.M. plants and what was released into the water. As carp are bottom feeders I don't really want to try them smoked. **** in that river they have been smoking for a couple of years now.

Now, has anybody really had a carp that is tasty??? I sure don't see them on any menus!

Carp may be a delicacy someplace where the water is clean, but in Michigan the suckers are like lobster compared to the carp, which usually have two heads, no tail and swear at you when they are landed.

Sure carp have fewer bones, they have been worked away by evolution in a polluted environment and now have vocal cords. The only thing coming close to the sheer disgust of a carp is the sheepshead, like carp but not as smart.

Plus, nobody in Michigan really eats northerns, pickeral, or bass, we like smelt, lake perch and walleye lightly fried in butter with a little flour coating.

Al...:bigwave:

For those who do Striper Fishing, attached is a pic of the 50+ lb critter caught near Fisher's Island, NY. The person holding this enormous fish is apprx. 5'8" tall so you can get an appreciation for the size of this beauty. Enjoy!

Energy,
They're catchin 50+" rock (stripers) on the Chesapeake bay right now, mostly trolling. The one pictured looks to be about 40-45", right? My friend that works for Maryland DNR says it's contributed to a late spawning season this year due to the weather and water temps. They'll be heading north soon. Problem is, the **** rock are eating up all of our delicious crabs! MMMMMMMM, steamed crabs and cold daddies!

Originally posted by Freddiem11
Energy,
They're catchin 50+" rock (stripers) on the Chesapeake bay right now, mostly trolling. The one pictured looks to be about 40-45", right? My friend that works for Maryland DNR says it's contributed to a late spawning season this year due to the weather and water temps. They'll be heading north soon. Problem is, the **** rock are eating up all of our delicious crabs! MMMMMMMM, steamed crabs and cold daddies!

That striper was all of 50". We vacation in Ocean City every year. Love those crabs, all you can eat. Beautiful area, but the Fishing Charters are off the chart-$$$$. We try to find places to drop a line, but they are rare. Too commercialized. We usually hit the "Pier" down by the boardwalk, but the seasoned salts usually get there around 4AM and stake out their territory. That's usually Fluke season. We go just to go and hope to get lucky. Every year they add another inch to the length for keepers. Last year, I believe it was 18". ;) :smokin:

You know Al, since your so close to a world class walleye fishery, you should eat a couple of those carp...just to keep you honest and realize people travel hundreds of miles to fish it. At least it stopped burning.

Besides, you probably wouldn't need a lantern or flashlight or nightlite anymore after a couple of those carp.

Energy,
I know what you mean about O.C. gets really crowded on that pier! I get to use the Coast Guard Station right next to it. A small john boat is all you need on the bayside to smoke the flounder. Have you heard of Crisfield,Maryland? About 1 1/2 hours from O.C., excellent fishing. Rt 13 to Rt413 . The soft crab capital of Maryland, makes the best bait by the way. A few years ago you could get a dozen live softcrabs for $10-12. Not sure now. Speckled trout love em. Drifting for flounder works great there. We were catchin 20"-22" all day long on squid. Occassionaly the black and red drum come through. Crabpot city though, so watch your prop!

Freddie,

I printed your last post. Maybe the Boy and I will take a day trip. Prices have to go down proportionally the farther you get from O.C. and we aren't against taking a charter. I'm not set up to haul my little boat all the way down there. Thanks for the advice.

Energy,
Crisfield is on the Chesapeake Bay side of the Delmarva Peninsula. Almost the southern tip on the Eastern Shore, at the mouth of the bay. James Island state Park is a cool place to camp in the area. Good Luck, By the way, there's a Coast guard Station there too, just in case you get into trouble at sea!

Originally posted by Freddiem11
Energy,
Crisfield is on the Chesapeake Bay side of the Delmarva Peninsula. Almost the southern tip on the Eastern Shore, at the mouth of the bay. James Island state Park is a cool place to camp in the area. Good Luck, By the way, there's a Coast guard Station there too, just in case you get into trouble at sea!
After some searching for James, I found this:

Location - The park is in Somerset County near Crisfield and may be reached by MD RT 13 to Westover; RT 413, approximately 11 miles to Plantation Road (right turn), 1 1/2 miles to park entrance (Alfred Lawson Drive, right turn).

Janes Island State Park
26280 Alfred Lawson Drive
Crisfield, MD 21817
(410)968-1565 (office)
(410)968-2515 (fax)
E-mail the park at PARK-JANES-ISLAND@dnr.state.md.us
Call 1-888-432-CAMP(2267) for reservations

Thanks again, Freddie

:smokin:

Anybody out there bounce for Walleye on the Detroit River, or Muskie hunt in the St. Clair???

Al...:bigwave:

Energy,
Yep that's the place. Sorry for the typo. Great campground with deer roaming around, a pier for crabbing, and small boat rental with boat launch ramp. Soft crab sloughing houses are right around the corner in the town. Not sure of boat rental prices, I took my 64 starcraft 18' aluminum v bottom, which has since been sold. That boat was the perfect size for there, but the hull was deteriorating. It didn't help to get my wife pregnant either, no time for anything. Can't wait til she (and the baby) lets me get a new one!

Any whitetail hunters out there? We finally get to hunt on Sunday this year. First Sunday of rifle season. Republicans rule!

That's only on private land in MD, right? It wouldn't help me -- I lost my private land hunting area a few years ago when the owner leased the farmland and hunting rights. So, I'm a public-land deer hunter and Sunday is still off-limits for me. :(

I'm late into this thread, but I love to fish and hunt. I birdhunted for years with my Dad and his friends while growing up. Don't do it anymore, because it's hard to find a place to go, and I no longer have a bird dog. Never was a good shot, but I love to watch the dogs work.

I still fish, but rarely have the time nowadays, because of work. I live 10 minutes from Kentucky and Barkley Lakes (both connected by a canal), and we are blessed with some GREAT fishing. I fish mostly for Bass, but will go after all species. We have a lot of the little oxbow lakes around here, off the rivers, and they are great to fish as well.

Someone mentioned fishing for catfish by hand. My Dad's father used to do this many years ago. They call it "Hawgin'" or "Hoggin'" around here, and some folks still do it. I never had the nerve to try it, as I was afraid of sticking my hand in front of a big alligator snapping turtle. That would be a tough argument. We have some big catfish down here, especially below the 2 dams. My best is a 30 lber, when I was still in college. That is a nice fish, but nthing of note around here for catfish.

Joe

Hi All.
I thought I'd let you in on what we do downunder (Don't think this is what all Australians do). I live outside Rockhampton in Central Queensland (look it up on a map) on a property (ranch) that is about 700 acres. We run a few head of Brahman cattle and a couple of horses. Adjacent to us is a National Park (read: breeding place for feral animals, bushfires and noxious weeds) and the Fitzroy river which flows into the Pacific (Great Barrier reef). It is a great location. The best of the Beach and Bush (Not as in President - it is Australian slang for Forest or Outback re: Not the City). Anyway, we fish for Barrumundi in the river and the legal size for these is 55 cm (22 inches). They are a great fighting fish and even better table fish. On the open water we fish for Coral trout and Mackeral, most of the time. The reef has an abundance of species. On the property (ranch), we mainly use the rifles for shooting feral animals such as Wild Pigs (they are huge) and Dingoes (Native dog that love young cattle and sheep). I also have a shotgun for snakes and there are plenty during summer. Most snakes in Australia are poisonous (VERY) so we have a rule - if we see them they die before we do. Some of the great species are Red Belly Black, Eastern Brown and Eastern taipan. Look up world's Deadliest Snakes and you will probably have the top three.

P.S The worst Feral animal in Australia is the house CAT. It is the new national pest of all pests. They kill many native species including birds and I take great delight in shooting any that set foot on my land. They are all run aways or people have dumped the christmas present that kids no longer want. Either way they are out and out killers. All cats should be desexed and wear bells.


I'll put some pictures up next time. I just got a new Kodak digital and can't wait to share the views.

GregbB

Originally posted by Greg B
P.S The worst Feral animal in Australia is the house CAT. It is the new national pest of all pests. They kill many native species including birds and I take great delight in shooting any that set foot on my land. They are all run aways or people have dumped the christmas present that kids no longer want. Either way they are out and out killers. All cats should be desexed and wear bells.

I'll put some pictures up next time. I just got a new Kodak digital and can't wait to share the views.

GregbB

Greg,
Great place to enjoy the wildlife. I, for one, am envious. I have two cats and care for them dearly. But, to be running wild is a danger to the environment. We have cats running around our neighborhood, reproducing and attacking other vaccinated, neutered cats and are in need of thinning out. We can't shoot them, but I have trapped them and took care of business. There is no more cunning or skillful hunter. Blast away.;) :smokin:

Cats are a sneaky bunch.

Last year I let the cat out of the house a couple of times. He sat hidden under a pine tree looking as sweet as possible until a crow walked by. Even though he has no front claws he had no trouble dispaching the crow and leaving it at the back door.

I think he was waiting for me to fry it up like a "roadkill" recipe.

He is an inside cat this year.

Al...

Greg B.

Wild pigs sound like great fun to hunt. How big is big? 300 pounds? How do they taste? What rifle do you use on 'em? I imagine they're tough buggers.

How bad are the gun laws Down Under? I thought I read where there was a crackdown on private ownership there.

As for the snakes, sounds like you must do a lot of looking down when you walk! They sound nasty, are they agressive or passive? I understand most snakes are passive, but Africa has a snake called the Black Mamba that will actually chase humans if disturbed in the least, and is verrry poisonous.

For any hunters who like reading, especially about African safaris, I strongly suggest you read the series of books by (the now sadly deceased) author Peter Hathaway Capstick. He was a former Wall Street stockbroker who tossed it all and became a professional safari guide and government game officer in Africa. A real "been there, done that" guy and most of his books are based on personal experience, but at least one covers other great African hunters' lives. This guy's writing is magnificent in my opinion, and the action is truly riveting. If you just wanna try one book, try "Death in the Long Grass". "Maneaters" and "Death in a Lonely Land" are also excellent reads. If you like to read and are a hunter, I'm positive you won't be disappointed in anything written by this author.

Originally posted by energy
Greg,
Great place to enjoy the wildlife. I, for one, am envious. I have two cats and care for them dearly. But, to be running wild is a danger to the environment. We have cats running around our neighborhood, reproducing and attacking other vaccinated, neutered cats and are in need of thinning out. We can't shoot them, but I have trapped them and took care of business. There is no more cunning or skillful hunter. Blast away.;) :smokin:

Energy,

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate cats as such. I hate FERAL cats that have been abandoned or run away. They are decimating Australia's wildlife. So much so that there are areas that have erected cat proof fences on large land holdings (hundreds of square kilometers) and then systematically hunted the cats down within it its borders. They have then introduced native species (usually small marsupials such as the Bilby) to keep them safe and to help them get off the indangered lists. It's pretty sad that we have to go to these lengths.

Australia is suffering a lot from introduced pests. The rabbit was bought in a few hundred years ago and reached plague proportions before being almost wiped out by a virus that our scientists let go through their population. They are manageable now and good shooting and eating. Foxes are almost as bad as cats but can't climb so leave the native birds alone. The Carp are chocking a lot of our rivers so native cod and bass are suffering. It is law that if you catch a Carp you must dispose of it above the highwater mark of the river so it cannot reenter the water course. Australians don't eat Carp. If they are caught in large numbers they are exported to Europe (they eat anything). Our other major pest is the Cane toad introduced in 1935 from South America to combat the native cane beetle. It didn't work and the cane toads found paradise. anything that eats them dies as they have poison glands on their heads. Our native birds and reptiles don't know that they are poisonous so they eat them and die. Pretty bloody tragic.
Cats are very adaptable. We had a feral on my property for 18 months and I could never catch it or shoot it. It got out of two traps but I finally caught it in the third. It had a tag onit's collar and I rang the owner only to find out that it was a highly prized pedigree persian that had run away after a fight with a stray Tom. His kids were worried sick and they naturally thought that it had died. I did'nt have the heart to tell them that it wasn't from lack of trying on my part. Anyway, I gave it back to them and they are happy. They live over 35 miles away now and keep it in the house.
We are actually thinking of getting a cat for the small tree snakes that keep hanging around and scaring my kids. We will desex it and put a bell on it. Snakes are deaf but native animals are not.
Weel, I have garbled on for a while so I'll get off my soapbox.

P.S I like your posts energy they keep me entertained and aren't clouded by Bulls**t. Keep up the good work.

Greg B

Originally posted by Mike S.
Greg B.

Wild pigs sound like great fun to hunt. How big is big? 300 pounds? How do they taste? What rifle do you use on 'em? I imagine they're tough buggers.

How bad are the gun laws Down Under? I thought I read where there was a crackdown on private ownership there.

As for the snakes, sounds like you must do a lot of looking down when you walk! They sound nasty, are they agressive or passive? I understand most snakes are passive, but Africa has a snake called the Black Mamba that will actually chase humans if disturbed in the least, and is verrry poisonous.



Mike,

The pigs can get to enourmous size and probably average about 200 plus lbs. We don't eat feral pigs in Australia. We export them to Europe for the game market. In this area, we mainly get licensed pig hunters to trap and slaughter them as they are very eluasive and come out at night. If you see them in the day it is a long way off and fleeting.
We shoot those that venture onto the property to eat the mangoes that fall to the ground (I have 15 large trees). They can't resist them. My mate brings his .222 magnum and 30/30 over. he sometimes brings his Pig Dogs and they chase the pigs down. The dogs are huge and wear protective leather vests to protect them from tusks.
The gun laws are very strict since that whacko wasted 35 people in Tasmania a few years ago. You have to undertale two safety courses and the usual police checks before applying for a license. You must then show cause as to why you want a weapon. Club use or to use on the land. I use mine to cull sick cattle and feral animals. I guy in town could not get a weapon unless he was a member of a shooting club. We are limited in caliber too. You need a good reason to have a .308 unless your in the Northern territory and hunting water Buffalo. If you don't have a valid reason you don't get one. It is that simple. I only have a .22 and a shotgun. My mate because he is a licensed shooter for feral pigs and kangaroos has a .222 magnum and a 30/30. I was in the defence force for 20 years (joined at 15) and taught small arms ( 9mm browning, SLR 7.62mm, Steyr 5.56 and M60 etc) yet I still had to undertake safety traiing.
Snakes aren't as bad as I may have made out. We have fox terriers that are pretty effective in cleaning them up yet we have lost four dogs in three years.
The Brown snake is the most poisonous followed by the Black but the Taipan is the most aggresive and will keep striking until it thinks your dead. Very rare behaviour for a snake. I saw one on TV that atacked a burrow full of rats and they slowed it down but it was still fast. It attacked evry rat and kept attacking until they were all dead. Rats are quick but none of them escaped. It is a scary snake. I'll locate a web site for you.
I like Wilbur Smith's descriptions of Africa and the game. Dale Brown, Stephen Coonts and Tom Clancy (all those years in the service) are my favourite authors.

Greg B

Originally posted by Greg B


P.S I like your posts energy they keep me entertained and aren't clouded by Bulls**t. Keep up the good work.

Greg B

Oh really?:biglaugh: Thanks Greg. There are those that would vehemently disagree. Your posts are loaded with facts and cut straight to the chase. Keep em coming. Some of them are startling in their details and candidness. Once more, you are lucky to be living in that part of the world, except for those friggin snakes. I don't know how I would deal with them. Yuck!:smokin:

Hi All,

Here is a website about Australian Snakes and I learnt a few facts about the buggers myself. I reported that the Black snake was in the top three but I was wrong it is way down the list with the Brown and Taipan up the top. I even found out the Brown tree snake is venomous but only slightly. What do they mean by slightly? you will take longer to die? I don't want to find out.

qmuseum.qld.gov.au/features/snakes/dangerous/index.asp (http://www.qmuseum.qld.gov.au/features/snakes/dangerous/index.asp)

Makes me think twice about going outside.

Greg B

Greg,

What is the significance of the uniform shown in your avitar? Ranger? Policeman? It kind of resembles the Canadian Mounted Police. Just curious.:agree: :smokin:

Originally posted by Greg B
Mike,

The gun laws are very strict since that whacko wasted 35 people in Tasmania a few years ago. You have to undertale two safety courses and the usual police checks before applying for a license. You must then show cause as to why you want a weapon. Club use or to use on the land. I use mine to cull sick cattle and feral animals. I guy in town could not get a weapon unless he was a member of a shooting club. We are limited in caliber too. You need a good reason to have a .308 unless your in the Northern territory and hunting water Buffalo. If you don't have a valid reason you don't get one. It is that simple. I only have a .22 and a shotgun. My mate because he is a licensed shooter for feral pigs and kangaroos has a .222 magnum and a 30/30. I was in the defence force for 20 years (joined at 15) and taught small arms ( 9mm browning, SLR 7.62mm, Steyr 5.56 and M60 etc) yet I still had to undertake safety traiing.


I hope every US gun owner, or person who believes in the private ownership of guns and the 2nd. Amemdment, on this Cove reads the above very carefully. This is exactly the kinda crap Sarah Brady, Chuckie Schumer, and Hillary and Company want for the law-abiding citizens of the US -- and worse. Show proof why you need a gun. Take government courses. Limits on caliber, looks, number, etc. Like the 22,000 gun laws on the books aren't quite enough -- maybe 22,001 will work and the criminals will suddenly see the light. What pure bu11sheet.

If you are a gun owner, or supporter of gun rights, PLEASE join the NRA or another gun rights organization (there are several good ones). Write your representatives and let them know how you feel. And vote for candidates who believe as you do. Don't let the anti-gun lobby be the loudest voice. They have the mostly liberal media to trumpet their views preferentially and for free; we mostly have to pay for our side to get out. All it takes for this evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Don't let it happen here. Please!

You're right Mike. I've been a member for 10+ years now. I really don't understand how anyone thinks that new laws will help. :eek:

This is an example of what will be exploited if the gun control people have their way. This really happened about 6 years ago.
My son comes home from High School one day and tells me he has had a problem (got in a fight) at school. I get a call later informing me that I'll need to bring him to the office the next day or he will not be let in. Seems some guys were picking on some 9th grade girl, putting their hands where they shouldn't be. Well my son and a friend stepped in to help her out and it ended. Later on after class one of them jumped on my son.
To make a long story short they show up at our place later that night. My son is out playing street hockey and they pull up and open the trunk. I heard "GUN" and ran out on the balcony (2nd floor). Looking down into their trunk I could see 3 rifles and at least 4 hand guns (.45s, 9 or 10mms) and each kid (3) that got out of the car had a pistol. Nothing happened, they were showing off and the police picked them up that night. Not one of the guns were registered or were they owned by one of the parents!
How did they get all those weapons? Was it by going through all the paperwork and complying with all the laws on the books? I don't think so. I own 3 guns and went through all the paperwork and all the checks, etc, etc, to be completely legal, registered and all.
So my question is how would limiting the number owned, caliber size and showing need stop these kids from picking them up? I don't live in Detroit now, it isn't a high crime area or anything. I do believe the statement that "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns".:frust:

Right, Stew, all we need to do is look at what has happened crime-wise in the UK since they went bonkers and made it almost impossible for a citizen to own a gun. And Lord help you if you have one there and shoot an intruder!

And, for that matter, a few months ago a New Yorker had a similar problem because his gun (bought legally in FL, but he moved to NY) registration paperwork was filed but had not gone thru the NY beauracracy yet and he used the gun to shoot an intruder. The DA is still trying to crucify this poor guy. Shame.

This is an area of the Cove that I generally peruse but don't participate in, but you've struck some buttons.

I to strongly support our 2nd admendment. I have owned a gun since I was given my first .22 at age 9 (a 10 year old Marlin single-shot, that is now over 60 years old and has been handed down to my oldest son).

At the time I received my first, my father enrolled me in a program the NRA was offering for Junior shooters. This program taught all of the gun safety rules (it's alway loaded, never point, etc.) and some skill sets such as how to aim, when to breath, stances, etc.

I have since taught ALL my children (daughter and 2 sons) how to shoot (including ALL of the safety rules) and have purchased guns for the 2 boys for their birthdays (my daughter never wanted one of her own - although she even enjoys shooting the old War-time .30 cal collectables that my son and I have gotten into).

Do I allow my children to be around guns? You betcha. But, ONLY after they have received the proper education. Knowledge is what our children need, and a controlled environment in which to exercise that knowledge, NOT more laws and regulations.

Criminals kill, but shooting accidents involving children is caused by ignorance.

BTW: My father (who lives in the country) and I built a outdoor range about 20 years ago, and now my kids can't stay away from there. I would hate to add up all of the money we have spent on ammo plinking at steels, tin cans and paper targets.:bigwave:

This is an area of the Cove that I generally peruse but don't participate in, but you've struck some buttons.

I to strongly support our 2nd admendment. I have owned a gun since I was given my first .22 at age 9 (a 10 year old Marlin single-shot, that is now over 60 years old and has been handed down to my oldest son).

At the time I received my first, my father enrolled me in a program the NRA was offering for Junior shooters. This program taught all of the gun safety rules (it's alway loaded, never point, etc.) and some skill sets such as how to aim, when to breath, stances, etc.

I have since taught ALL my children (daughter and 2 sons) how to shoot (including ALL of the safety rules) and have purchased guns for the 2 boys for their birthdays (my daughter never wanted one of her own - although she even enjoys shooting the old War-time .30 cal collectables that my son and I have gotten into).

Do I allow my children to be around guns? You betcha. But, ONLY after they have received the proper education. Knowledge is what our children need, and a controlled environment in which to exercise that knowledge, NOT more laws and regulations.

Criminals kill, but shooting accidents involving children is caused by ignorance.

BTW: My father (who lives in the country) and I built a outdoor range about 20 years ago, and now my kids can't stay away from there. I would hate to add up all of the money we have spent on ammo plinking at steels, tin cans and paper targets.:bigwave:

DD,

That was good enough to post twice! :bigwave:

May your tribe increase!

Are you an NRA (or similar organization) member?

Sorry, wasn't my intent to post twice.:o I'm not sure what I did wrong - probably was the computer's fault.:rolleyes:

No, not a member of any of the organizations today; was for years, but with being unemployed for 19 months (before gaining the job I have now) many of my loves/hobbies kind of fell to the wayside.:frust:

If this job becomes a little more permanent (into the last 2 months of a 6 month contract), then I'll be getting back into supporting the cause.

Ladies and Gentlemen, it is my pleasure to announce that our very own energy has bagged a world record Wade Carp.

Go to the "terrorist" thread to see him take the scale-covered menace!!!

I kinda' thought it was a snake, myself. :vfunny:

Well, Energy, what IS it?

Mike,

Well said, at least in Michigan we cannot be denied a CCW unless we are a felon or a resident of a nut house.

In my area of the state guns are paramount and the crime rate is negligable, 1 murder in ten years. We also live in the county that hosts the Michigan Militia.

In our county we know that any man or woman might be carrying a weapon that they were trained to use. Funny thing is that the criminals don't like it.:rolleyes:

Al...

It's not a snake, it is an electric eel, ready to pounce at any moment!!!:bigwave:

Originally posted by energy
Greg,

What is the significance of the uniform shown in your avitar? Ranger? Policeman? It kind of resembles the Canadian Mounted Police. Just curious.:agree: :smokin:

Energy,

The uniform is a Drill Instructor in the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF)(taken Some years ago) I was DI for two years and that is where I taught kids how to handle weapons safely. I was in the Navy for 8 years (joined at 15) and then I was transferred to the RAAF (after we decommisioned our last remaining carrier) where I completed another 12 years. I have been out for nearly 7 years and I really miss the comaraderie. My old squadron just came home from IRAQ yesterday and I saw some of the guys on TV. (Yes we were there.)

Greg B

Originally posted by Mike S.
I kinda' thought it was a snake, myself. :vfunny:

Well, Energy, what IS it?

Al & Mike,

I'm not sure. It's slimey though. Nothing you would want to bring in the boat. Traditionally, you whack these suckers (maybe that's what it is?) (no that's us)with an oar and watch them sink to the bottom. No wait, they live there. You gaff them and launch them onto dry land where the racoons throw up after eating one!:p :smokin:

Originally posted by Greg B
Energy,

The uniform is a Drill Instructor in the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF)(taken Some years ago) I was DI for two years and that is where I taught kids how to handle weapons safely. I was in the Navy for 8 years (joined at 15) and then I was transferred to the RAAF (after we decommisioned our last remaining carrier) where I completed another 12 years. I have been out for nearly 7 years and I really miss the comaraderie. My old squadron just came home from IRAQ yesterday and I saw some of the guys on TV. (Yes we were there.)

Greg B

greg,

Very impressive history and I have no doubt that the Aussies were there. Like the Brits, they always are. :agree: :smokin:

Criminals kill, but shooting accidents involving children is caused by ignorance.

Very, very, true. Not only on the childrens part either. Kids get their tongues stuck on flag poles in the winter, why? Their curious.
No. 1 son came very close to causing some serious accidents with pots on the stove. One day I picked him up and let him see the red hot burning of the stove eye. I placed his hand above it and let him feel how hot it was. I never let him touch the eye (before someone asked) but he was close enough to be able to feel the heat coming off of it. He never tried to pull a pot off the stove again.
By applying the proper safeguards, whether it be trigger guards or gun safes and allowing them to have the experience in a controlled environment you teach them respect for the weapon.
Parents won't allow kidsto take the car out without a license, but how many of us learned to drive on some back street or lot with our dads long before Drivers Ed? In that way weren't we taught first hand not only how to drive but how difficult and dangerous it could be? Why don't they look at guns the same way?????

Do I allow my children to be around guns? You betcha. But, ONLY after they have received the proper education. Knowledge is what our children need, and a controlled environment in which to exercise that knowledge, NOT more laws and regulations.

By applying the proper safeguards, whether it be trigger guards or gun safes and allowing them to have the experience in a controlled environment you teach them respect for the weapon.

I remember reading a report that stated that over 50% of highschool kids have access to guns. The conclusion of the report was that was the reason so many kids are accidently getting shot. The folks who came up with the report clearly did not study history. I would think the percentage is dwindling each year, not going up. I would not be surprised to find that 100% of highschool kids (or of that age anyway) had access to guns in the 1800's. Statements like David's and Stew's get to the real meat.

The gun laws are very strict since that whacko wasted 35 people in Tasmania a few years ago.

Gregg, If the whacko had used a pickup truck, would they have placed greater restrictions on vehicle ownership? A whacko will use anything he/she can get their hands on.

Originally posted by Greg B
Energy,

The uniform is a Drill Instructor in the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF)(taken Some years ago) I was DI for two years and that is where I taught kids how to handle weapons safely. I was in the Navy for 8 years (joined at 15) and then I was transferred to the RAAF (after we decommisioned our last remaining carrier) where I completed another 12 years.
Greg B

Now here is obviously a guy who should not be trusted by his government to own a .308 rifle or, God forbid, a handgun for protection if he lived in the city! Heaven knows what atrocities he might commit! :rolleyes: And some anti-freedom nuts here in the US want to make the same kinda rules apply in the US. How can anyone defend this kinda crap?

(For those unfamiliar with this gun terminology, a .308 Winchester is a medium-power round which is very popular in the US for deer-sized game, slightly less powerful than the rifle round which is #1 in popularity, the .30-06 Springfield, but both were former US Army rounds. We're not talkin' artillery or mortars or grenades here.)

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Gregg, If the whacko had used a pickup truck, would they have placed greater restrictions on vehicle ownership? A whacko will use anything he/she can get their hands on. [/B]

No fair using reason and common-sense in this argument, db. Ask Hillary, Schumer, Mikulski, et. al. :rolleyes:

A few years ago I found an article buried DEEP in the newspaper where a whacko (here in the US) drove his Cadillac thru an elementary school playground, admittedly to kill as many children as he could. He unfortunately succeeded and killed several and injured many others. I never heard about it on TV or radio, only via this story buried in the paper. Had that nut used a gun I guarantee it would have been front-page, on the major networks' news shows, and Al Gore and Billy Clinton (in office at the time) and their anti-gun cronies would have been giving quotes out the wazoo about how we need more gun laws.

During the presidential campaign if memory serves Al Gore couldn't wait for the blood to dry to run before a microphone and call for more gun laws after a shooting at the DC Zoo. Same kinda calls came out during the sniper attacks in DC last year. The nuts already broke several dozen laws, I'm sure another would have made the difference. That's why they're called criminals!:rolleyes:

I wonder if any Cove members wanna go on record as being in favor of more gun laws?

Originally posted by Mike S.


I wonder if any Cove members wanna go on record as being in favor of more gun laws?

Sure, Mike, I"d like more gun laws

First, how about law, no a constitutional ammendment, guaranteeing my rights...oops, we have that.

How about a law making it a crime to commit robbery while... oh, we have that, too.

Maybe a law that we enforce the (already too many) gun laws on the books.

There you go, how about that?

Craig

How about people like me that want to repeal gun laws!!!

To tell the truth I would rather be killed by a bullit as opposed to watching someone beat me slowly to death with a baseball bat.

Guns don't kill, government laws do!:ko:

Al...

Originally posted by db
Gregg, If the whacko had used a pickup truck, would they have placed greater restrictions on vehicle ownership? A whacko will use anything he/she can get their hands on.

Dave B

Don't get me wrong, I'm from the bush (re: country) and agree that people should be allowed to have weapons if they choose. I also agree that people should be screened....but.... We know were all the sane people with legal guns are in this country - We don't know were all the whackos are with their illegal guns are.

This particular whacko chased down 35 innocent people including small children and used either an AK or an SSK on them. The tree huggers, animal rights activists and people that don't know any better started howling that it was the guns and not the guy (this guy is certifiable, still alive and in jail).
We now have the strict laws that I have mentioned previously in this thread. The big part I forgot to tell you is that we are not allowed to have semi automatic weapons. We have never been allowed (at least since the '70s) to have automatic weapons and I cannot see the point in having them but Semi auto?
When we hunt pigs we have one shot and we had better hit or they are off before we can recock the action. I'm not allowed to have a semi auto .22M - I had to sell mine (goverment buy back scheme) and get a bolt action. Pathetic.

Greg B

I don't mind the restriction on Fully Automatic weapons, I support them. I can see no functional purpose to own one. What is even more confusing is that in the US it is legal to manufacture kits to convert weapons to full automatic (i.e. MR-15s), legal to sell and buy the kits, legal to own the kits, but it's illegal to install the kits! It may be a means to control it and provide some type of traceability through orders, etc. I don't know.
Like you have stated Greg, you turned yours in. So who are left owning them??????
Last year they had one of those buy-back things also. They collected a lot of hand held weapons most looked like they were found in the junk yard - rusted out, beat up, etc. But it was big news for the anti-gun people anyway. What wasn't reported was that before the police destroyed them, 100+ came up missing, and this wasn't the first time something like this had happened!!!

Al,
You've never been shot have you? If you haven't, you may want to reconsider your statement. It hurts like H3LL and I wouldn't want to be gut shot at all - that can be very slow and painful. But now we're just getting morbid.

I wish they'd have a gun buy-back in my area -- with non-taxpayer money. I've got an old, beaten-up single-shot 12-guage that has a cracked stock and a pitted barrel that I am keeping around just so I can get some darn fool to give me $100 for turning it in! :p

As for full-auto guns. Prior to -- I think -- 1969, you could own a full-auto gun in the US. Not for hunting, but for playing and collecting. The catch was you had to pay about $300 (lot of money back then and even now) for a full FBI heavy-duty background check and pay big bucks to keep it year after year. Not once was any of these full-auto guns ever used in a crime -- NOT ONCE -- but that did not matter. Facts don't matter. Feelings matter. Gun-haters "felt" these guns were too dangerous to have even though NO crime was ever committed with one. So they changed the law. Makes sense, huh?

BTW -- Craig: :bigwave:

Actually, it still is legal in the US to own a full-auto weapon. They are called Class III firearms.

If I am not mistaken, it is the weapon itself that is licensed, there is an extensive background check, you have to keep it in a safe, etc. etc.

If you look in a magazine such as the Shotgun News, the selection is impressive, and pricey. Who wants to spend $3000 on a license for a $100 firearm?

And, I think the record still shows that none of these firearms has been used during an illegal act.

I know a couple of guys that have them. Its a real quick way to burn lots of $. At those rates of fire, even the cheap ammo isn't cheap to shoot.

Craig

Randy,

I was once shot, in the foot, and luckily it was a pellet gun. But it was painful.

I was alluding to a "fatal" shot with instant death, surely not self-inflicted.:bigwave:

Okay Al,
A few years ago (maybe 6) there was a newspaper article from WV read on the Jay Leno show. The story went that I guy was cleaning his 22 pistol and it went off and he shot himself in the foot. After another beer or so, he picks up his 45 to clean. It goes off and he shoots himself in the same foot! It wasn't bad, so he has another beer and decides to clean his 357 magnum. And yes, it goes off, but this time he has his wife call emergency because "that sucker hurt"!
This happened in either Princeton or Bluefield WV and was read on the Tonight show. My mom still has the clipping out of the Bluefield Daily Telegraph.

Okay Al, so we'll take you off the suicide watch now!!!:vfunny:

Seems I was wrong -- there was a crime (murder) committed with a full-auto firearm. Wait till you see WHO committed it! Here is some info. from gunsite.com to set the record straight:

Federal Firearms Regulations

[Disclaimer: Firearms laws change frequently, and vary from state to state. None of the information here should be considered legal advice or a legal restatement of any Federal firearms laws or regulations. Consult a lawyer, your local law enforcement, and/or the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms for further information regarding firearms laws and taxes in your area.]

It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department. Machine guns are subject to a $200 tax every time their ownership changes from one federally registered owner to another, and each new weapon is subject to a manufacturing tax when it is made, and it must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) in its National Firearms Registry.

To become a registered owner, a complete FBI background investigation is conducted, checking for any criminal history or tendencies toward violence, and an application must be submitted to the BATF including two sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of the NFA firearm is of "reasonable necessity," and that sale to and possession of the weapon by the applicant "would be consistent with public safety." The application form also requires the signature of a chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant's residence.

Since the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of May 19, 1986, ownership of newly manufactured machine guns has been prohibited to civilians. Machine guns which were manufactured prior to the Act's passage are regulated under the National Firearms Act, but those manufactured after the ban cannot ordinarily be sold to or owned by civilians.

(Sources: talk.politics.guns FAQ, part 2, "FAQ on National Firearms Act Weapons", and from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, National Firearms Act FAQ.)

Twenty-five states have no further restrictions on civilian ownership of machine guns (some require registration with the state) than what is required by federal law. Other states have either placed further restrictions or outlawed operable machine guns to civilians entirely. For further details see NRA state firearm law summaries.

Crime with Legally Owned Machine Guns

In 1995 there were over 240,000 machine guns registered with the BATF. (Zawitz, Marianne,Bureau of Justice Statistics, Guns Used in Crime [PDF].) About half are owned by civilians and the other half by police departments and other governmental agencies (Gary Kleck, Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control, Walter de Gruyter, Inc., New York, 1997.)

Since 1934, only one legally owned machine gun has ever been used in crime, and that was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machine guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies.
---
Thanks to the staff of the Columbus, Ohio Public Library for the details of the Waller case.

Source: talk.politics.guns FAQ, part 2.

In Targeting Guns, Kleck cites the director of BATF testifying before Congress that he knew of less than ten crimes that were committed with legally owned machine guns (no time period was specified). Kleck says these crimes could have been nothing more than violations of gun regulations such as failure to notify BATF after moving a registered gun between states.

Crime Involving Illegally Owned Machine Guns

Again in Targeting Guns, Kleck writes, four police officers were killed in the line of duty by machine guns from 1983 to 1992. (713 law enforcement officers were killed during that period, 651 with guns.)

In 1980, when Miami's homicide rate was at an all-time high, less than 1% of all homicides involved machine guns. (Miami was supposedly a "machine gun Mecca" and drug trafficking capital of the U.S.) Although there are no national figures to compare to, machine gun deaths were probably lower elsewhere. Kleck cites several examples:

Of 2,200 guns recovered by Minneapolis police (1987-1989), not one was fully automatic.

A total of 420 weapons, including 375 guns, were seized during drug warrant executions and arrests by the Metropolitan Area Narcotics Squad (Will and Grundie counties in the Chicago metropolitan area, 1980-1989). None of the guns was a machine gun.

16 of 2,359 (0.7%) of the guns seized in the Detroit area (1991-1992) in connection with "the investigation of narcotics trafficking operations" were machine guns.
A Good Argument for Gun Registration?

An observant reader would think the strict registration requirements and extremely low rates of crime committed with legally owned automatic weapons are powerful arguments for "sensible" gun control. However an even keener reader notices that despite the sterling record of auto-weapons owners for over fifty years, and despite: registration, police approval, state approval, special taxes, waiting periods, and extensive background checks, in 1986, ownership of newly manufactured automatic weapons was prohibited to civilians.

Dadgum it, Mike!!

Here I was going from memory, and you have to cloud the issue with facts!

Thanks for filling in the gaps.

BTW, If memory serves (sometimes it serves badly) the ban on sales of new auto weapons came at the same time as the ban on new "assult" weapons and large ammo clips.

The gun makers had a year or so to stock up, and stock up they did. Again, in Shotgun News there are still plenty of "new" assult fifles and autoloaders available. I don't think the prices of, say, the SKS have risen much. Watch out for those Chinese SKSs though. A pea shooter is more accurate.

Craig

However an even keener reader notices that despite the sterling record of auto-weapons owners for over fifty years, and despite: registration, police approval, state approval, special taxes, waiting periods, and extensive background checks, in 1986, ownership of newly manufactured automatic weapons was prohibited to civilians

But were the automatic weapons seized, from the prohibited civilians, manufactured to be fully auto or modified to be that way?

An AR-15 and M-16 sure look alike. The AR can be modified (only cost $45) to be fully auto and that's the only real difference that I know of. There probably are some other military manufacturing mods though.

Randy,

You are very good in describing weapons and their uses.

I have a question;

Is it true that for up close work the .22 is the best because it is not strong enough to break through many bones but be re-directed by those bones to hit other vital areas?

No, not suicidal and I am not a professional hit-man (even though I do audit).

Al...

Added later:

AL

OK, I reread this, and my tone could be misinterpreted. Sorry.

Think of it like this. If the bullet has a lot of mass/speed, it can go straight through, doing little damage. If, though, the bullet "mushrooms" (deforms - the leading part expands), the bullet tumbles (the old British Enfield was known for this) or otherwise does something other than go straight through, it does more damage. This is important for hunters because a true sportsman wants a quick, clean, humane kill.

Is that better?

Craig

Craig,

Maybe terminolgy for a novice? As I said, I have very little experience with firearms and understand little of what you posted.

All I did was ask a question, is there a problem?

Al...

I'm no expert with these weapons Al, just had training in the military, I use to blow stuff up, but you are correct. It is one of the reasons for the M-16 being a .223. You may hit something in the leg only to have it exit from the shoulder. The entry wound could be the size of a dime but the exit could be big enough to put your fist into and with a lot of little pieces left behind.
If you look at the inside of my right ankle it looks like someone put a cigar out on me, but the exit took over 200 stitches up my shin to close and I still can't get through a metal detector at the airport or courthouse the first time!
If you don't mind me asking, why the interest?

Originally posted by Al Dyer
Randy,

You are very good in describing weapons and their uses.

I have a question;

Is it true that for up close work the .22 is the best because it is not strong enough to break through many bones but be re-directed by those bones to hit other vital areas?

No, not suicidal and I am not a professional hit-man (even though I do audit).

Al...

Al,

Sometimes small-caliber bullets do wild things in flesh as you describe, but they also sometimes fail to penetrate at all or do very little damage. If they were really good all the time, police would only use .22's for the reason you cite and reduced recoil/increased shootability and lower risk of overpenetration (bullet exiting and hitting an unintended target). But they don't use .22's.

There are many complex factors involved in the effectiveness of a given shot on man or beast. The best and most comprehensive data I saw was in a magazine a few years ago where there was a great database of the results of police shootings and other shootings the police recorded using almost every caliber of handgun you could think of. And I think they even recorded the type/brand of ammo used. The ultimate desire is a "one-shot stop" where the bad-guy is stopped with a single hit. Of course nothing worked 100% of the time. If I recall correctly, of all calibers studied the tops for a one-shot stop was the .357 Mag with 158 grain jacketed hollow-point ammo, followed closely by the .45 auto. .22's were waaay down the list. If I can put my hands on the article I'll give more complete results. I've also read some military men complaining about the military giving most soldiers who get a handgun the 9mm vs. the old .45 auto "1911-style" because they are not as effective, yet the 9mm is much heavier and more powerful than the .22.

They had started giving us a 10mm in place of the old .45s. And you're right about the knock-down effect.
One of the things nice about an AK is that it could use the US M-16 round or its own ammo. However, the M-16 could not use the bigger AK-47 round.

A quick Google led me here -- check it out for lots of data on effectiveness of various rounds. http://www.internetarmory.com/handgunammo.htm

I was right about the .357 Mag. but wrong about the bullet most effective. The site says "The .357 Magnum, in Remington or Federal JHP, 125 grains, is unquestionably the most effective handgun cartridge in existence. Its proven ability to produce one shot stops exceeds that of any other round, including more powerful cartridges such as the .41 Magnum and .44 Magnum."

Our lesson for the day. :bigwave:

Thanks for the info and link guys!

Al...

This morning, I thought I would sneak in a few hours of fishing. Having no luck with the shiners, I decided to pitch some hardware along the shoreline. As I swiveled my clamp on boat seat sideways, the seat let go and pitched me over the side. Fortunately, I was only 10 ft from shore and as the boat filled uo with water and stuff started to float, my feet found bottom. What an embarassing moment and a shock it was to go for a early morning swim with your clothes on. Anyway, I found land, pulled the boat up and salvaged everything, except my sweatshirt. Re-loaded the craft and made haste for my vehicle and went home in shame. Now, re-assessing the design of the clamp on boat seats, I have a foolproof idea to make sure that no matter what happens, the seat will not eject you like a fighter pilot from his aircraft. What a trip. Oh, I caught one small bass before the fiasco. Go ahead and laugh. It's on me!:vfunny: :smokin:

Top 20 Reasons Why Fishing Is Better Than Sex

20 - No matter how much whiskey you have, you can still fish.

19 - A limp rod is still useful while fishing.

18 - You don't have to hide your Fishing magazines.

17 - It is perfectly acceptable to pay a professional to Fish with
you once in a while.

16 - The Ten Commandments don't say anything about Fishing.

15 - If your partner takes pictures or videotapes of you Fishing,
you don't have to worry about them showing up on the
Internet if you become famous.

14 - Your Fishing partner doesn't get upset about people you
fished with a long time ago.

13 - It's perfectly respectable to Fish with a total stranger.

12 - When you see a really good Fisherperson, you don't have to
feel guilty about imagining the two of you Fishing together.

11 - If your regular Fishing partner isn't available, he/she won't
object if you Fish with someone else.

10 - Nobody will ever tell you that you will go blind if you Fish by
yourself.

9 - When dealing with a Fishing pro, you never have to wonder if
they are really an undercover cop.

8 - You don't have to go to a sleazy shop in a seedy
neighborhood to buy Fishing stuff.

7 - You can have a Fishing calendar on your wall at the office, tell
Fishing jokes, and invite coworkers to Fish with you without
getting sued for harassment.

6 - There are no Fishing-transmitted diseases.

5 - If you want to watch Fishing on television, you don't have to
subscribe to the Playboy channel.

4 - Nobody expects you to Fish with the same partner for the rest
of your life.

3 - Nobody expects you to give up Fishing if your partner loses
interest in it.

2 - You don't have to be a newlywed to plan a vacation primarily
to enjoy your favorite activity.

1 - Your Fishing partner will never say, "Not again? We just
Fished last month! Is Fishing all you ever think about?"
:vfunny: :smokin:

Energy,

Being an old Sea Dog I assume you swim pretty well, but do you wear a life-vest, or at least have one on board? It's best to wear it despite the bulk -- never know when you might conk your head on the way out of the boat! We don't want you to drown -- SOME people on this Cove can disappear and no one sheds a tear, but how would we ever replace YOU? :smokin:

At least you got to fish -- the constant rains in our area makes it impossible to launch a boat so I have not wet a line yet this year.

Mike,

Yes, I'm a swimmin Mo Fo! My life vest was floating right by me, if I needed it. I was ready to kick off the sneakers, but I found bottom first and walked in. I'm also aware that with the water temps not exactly up to summertime, hypothermia can set in quick, so it doesn't matter how well you can swim. Thanks for worrying, though. :p :smokin:

Was it a lake, pond, or river? On the river I fish there are places where the current can do ugly things to you, no matter how well you swim. It happens to a few, unfortunately, every year, and many years ago a neighbor friend drowned this way -- his brother grabbed for him and brushed his hand but couldn't hold-on. :( Let's be careful out there, all fishermen, boaters, etc.

The majority of it 6-12 ft. There are spots where it's 20+, but I usually don't fish there. My fix? Binder straps below the seat holding the clamps, just in case. :rolleyes: :bonk:

energy:

Don't feel badly, I fell in about 1/2 hour before dark last night - off of the dock walkway, before I could even wet a line.

The pond is up 4+ feet (dam problem), and our floating dock walkway is partially under water. The walk is hinged in several places, to allow for changes in depth. Well, the part that is underwater is next to a hinged joint, and has managed grow a sudden, invisible, layer of pond slime. Slicker than greased ice.

Fortunately, I don't think anyone was filming, and I landed mostly in the water. No fish kill, even. I felt allright last night, but I am sore today. Hey, why bother drowning crickets one at a time, when you can just drop the whole cage in at once?

This is third time in my life I have fallen in while fishing, but the other 2 times were in February. This wasn't so bad...

Craig

Energy,

What kinda boat is it? I think you posted a pic once but my memory fails me (again).

Al,

Regarding your earlier ballistics questions: Were you thinking of buying a gun for self-defense or just curious?

Originally posted by Craig H.
energy:


This is third time in my life I have fallen in while fishing, but the other 2 times were in February. Craig

If you haven't hit the water a few times you probably haven’t done much fishing. It kinda comes with the territory. Hopefully no one gets hurt and you can laugh about it later. The last time anyone on my group hit the water was early in the year 2 years ago. My son, Dad, and I were dipping some shiners for bait and had gotten enough so we were ready to head upriver for some fishing. We put away the net and got ready to go. Dad, in the front of the boat, said let's go. I cranked-up the motor and started off at about 1/3 throttle when all of a sudden we came to a quick halt, it felt like hitting a log in the water, but I didn't hear anything. Dad did an involuntary head-first dive out the right front with such poor form that the Russian judge would have scored it low. I killed the motor and ran to the front to help him into the boat with my son, but he was really heavy with the wet layers of clothes on and kinda in shock fromt he cold and suddenness of the thing (Dad was 70+ at the time). We came to realize Dad forgot to raise his anchor before we took off. Not wanting to squash the fishing trip before it got started, my son and I took off enough clothes to give Dad a dry change of clothes and, while the fashipn police might frown on fishing in only long-johns, we went fishin' and had a good time. But now, every time we're ready to go on the first trip of the year, I have to ask Dad, "are you SURE you have the anchor up?"

Picked up a little XP-100R yesterday. I couldn't help it, it was on sale and had a nice site on it. Besides it's a .223 so it takes the same ammo.

I usually fall in once or twice a year. Lost a camera once but that's been the worst of it.

Stew,

That's the Remington bolt-action big handgun, right?

Gonna use it for plinkin' or varmits? What kinda sight?

You have other .223's?

Plinkin' mostly, I got it for the target range. Hey, under a "C" note, I couldn't pass it up. Your right it is the bolt hand gun, and I'll have to get back to you on the scope. Don't have the sheet with me.

I have an AR-15 too.
AR16 Specifications
·CALIBER .223 REM (5.56 MM NATO)
·MODES OF FIRE: SAFE/SEMI/AUTO/BURST
·20/30/40 ROUND MAGAZINE
·39.25" OVERALL LENGTH
·20" BARREL LENGTH
·RIFLING - 1 IN 7" OR 1 IN 9" OR 1 IN 12"
·WEIGHT W/O MAG. - 7.5 LBS (3.4 KG)
·WEIGHT W/LOADED MAG. - 8.75 LBS (4 KG)

Weight US CUSTOMARY METRIC
Rifle AR-15, 7.2 lb 3.40 kg
without magazine and sling
Sling; adjustable 4 oz 0.11 kg
Empty magazine 4 oz 0.11 kg
Loaded magazine 1 lb 1 oz 0.46 kg

Length
Rifle with compensator 39.625 in 100.65 cm
Barrel 20 in 50.8 cm
Barrel with compensator 21 in 53.34 cm

Mechanical features
Rifling right-hand twist 6 grooves 1:7
Method of operation direct gas
Type of breach mechanism rotating bolt
Method of feeding magazine
Cooling air
Trigger pull 5.5 to 9.5 lb 2.49 to 4.31 kg

Ammunition
Caliber .223 5.56 mm
Type ball,blank,dummy,tracer
Firing characteristics
Muzzle velocity (approx) 3,100 fps 94,488 cmps
Muzzle energy 1,322 ft-lb 1,785 N-m
Chamber pressure 52,000 psi 358,540 kPa
Maximum rate of fire
Semiautomatic 45 rds/m
Sustained rate of fire 12/15 rds/m
Maximum range 3,938 yds 3,600 meters

Maximum effective range
Individual point targets 602 yds 550 meters
Area targets 875 yds 800 meters

Stew,

Neat toys. But I wonder who determines that "maximum effective range" number, and how they do it? 600 yards? Maybe with Sgt. York shooting it, but otherwise... Gives new meaning to the word "effective" IMO. That thing has to be dropping 3-4 feet at 500 yards and probably drifting about that far if there were a 10 mph crosswind. I wouldn't want my life depending on someone hitting a target at 600 yards (or even 500) with a .223 under "field" conditions. Those old devils gravity and drift start to play heck with any rifle bullet once you get much past 300 yards, even the bigger rounds. But a .223 is a great plinker -- you can get ammo pretty cheap. Good shooting!

Originally posted by Mike S.
Energy,

What kinda boat is it? I think you posted a pic once but my memory fails me (again).


This thread. Post #84 of 218. Real light. The seat has a column so it has a tendency to be a little top heavy. Glub Glub Glub....:vfunny: :smokin:

Energy:

Thanks for being a sport. I can't seem to reattach here, so I'll do it below.

Surprised you havn't come up with a "docking device" to counter...

Craig,

Is that a spring under the seat? I'm impressed with the artwork. I wasn't aware that you can do that in Excel. It is imbedded on the surface? I always thought that artwork would have to be contained within a cell. Do you have a lot of time on your hands?;) :bonk:

Originally posted by Craig H.


Craig,

Don't be such a wuss. I went to copy it and it's gone. Here's my version. Enjoy!

energy:

here it is, in Excel. That is indeed a crudely drawn spring.

Trip the lever, and BOING, splash, @#!!%&*@!!!

Egads, What a fish!:biglaugh:

It took me awhile, but I eventually located the fish in the picture. ;)

I agree about the attire though. The guy's necklace might get tangled in lines or equipment, so it should be inside his shirt.:bonk:

BTW -- Is anyone else experiencing VERRRY slow Cove access today -- I mean like a minute or sometimes more to open a post?

Originally posted by Mike S.

BTW -- Is anyone else experiencing VERRRY slow Cove access today -- I mean like a minute or sometimes more to open a post?

Unusually slow today. Even with DSL, the task bar fills up at a speed akin to a snail's movement. In fact, the snail would win. Forget AOL. Time outs. Maybe tomorrow will be better. This is the worst I've seen, and with only 10 members and a few guests on line. :smokin:

Got home tonight and even with ATT, timed out. Very unusual. Do you think that the moisture in the lines has something to do with it? Could be something as simple as hardware snafus. Weather's great, so is the reception? Like cable TV. Like Satellite TV. What's the difference? Just a moron paying for services with no clue why they aren't producing. :bonk: :smokin:

I would like to share fishing story like the ones earlier in these posts:

I would like to share fishing story like the ones earlier in these posts:

Bring it on, Mooser! :smokin:
:confused:

I would like to share fishing story like the ones earlier in these posts:

My mother died when I was only months old and my Dad remarried a couple years later. So the contact I had with my Grandparents on my Mom's side were few and strained. That is, until I was at an age that could fish.
I remember the first time my grandfather took me out to fish - I was about 8 or 9. He takes me to this little stream with only native brook trout. I was using his 3 piece fly rod ( which he later gave me). He taught me how to cast and try to catch fish. We got to this nice hole with no fish in my basket yet. I remember almost crawling up to this hole and placing the bait in the hole somehow. I was rewarded with a hungry 10" brook trout (which was big for the standards of that creek). Fighting that fish and then seeing the it's beautiful color it had hooked me for life. My relationship with my grandfather grew strong after that trip and I will never forget the greatest treasure that he gave me that day.
Fishing has since that time been one of the most relaxing things for me to do. As Energy reminds us even better then sex. ;)

Unusually slow today. Even with DSL, the task bar fills up at a speed akin to a snail's movement. In fact, the snail would win. Forget AOL. Time outs. Maybe tomorrow will be better. This is the worst I've seen, and with only 10 members and a few guests on line. :smokin:

I'm not sure why you posted this here energy. Oh wait...


Unusually slow today...Maybe tomorrow will be better. This is the worst I've seen...



Yep, I've had fishing days like that. I guess the post does belong here. :bonk:

Energy,
I knew you would appreciate that story and be the first to reply.
Oh, how I wish I was ther now.
Mooser

Energy,
I knew you would appreciate that story and be the first to reply.
Oh, how I wish I was ther now.
Mooser

I lost my dad earlier this month. He spent about 20 days in intensive care before he lost the fight. In his last days, I had commented that we should probably take him out of the hospital, put him in a boat, give him a cigarette, a Pepsi and a fishing rod and let him pass that way (instead in a hospital bed all doped up).

I clearly remember one opening day of pike season at Fletcher's Pond (in northern Michigan). IT was rain/snow mix. My brother (who was around 10) and I (one year younger than he) were covered by a drenched sleeping bag to keep the rain off us. So here we were in a small row boat, trying to troll, and control our shivering. IT was a miserable day, but made for great fishing! I bet we left with about dozen good sized pike (there were no limits on pike on the pond back then). That night, we feasted on fresh northern pike and fried potatoes.

To quote Mooser:


Oh, how I wish I was ther now.
:agree:

db,

Very sorry to hear of your recent loss. :( That has to be very tough to take. I am lucky -- I still have my Mom and Dad and hope to get to fish with my Dad for the first time all year tomorrow. Not at our favorite spot (water still over the boat ramp from constant rains!) but nevertheless at least fishing. Every year as I load up the boat after the year's last fishing trip I pray that I'll get another chance to do this next year with Dad. He's getting weak and can't sit long or take the hot sun, and I might even have to handle his anchor and mine, but it is still a strong desire of mine to spend time with him fishing. I get the bait, load the boat, make the lunches, etc. -- all he has to do is fish. He enjoys it greatly -- and so do I. I dread the day it will stop.

Hopefully your Dad is catching a limit even now...

db

Sorry to hear about your dad. I was thinking of maybe stopping by my parent's house this evening. Now, I know I will.

Craig

Remember that song?

If you are a father (or mother), take you kid(s) out fishing today (regardless of age). If you are a kid (regardless of age), take your father (and mother) out fishing today. You will never know if you gat another chance.




Hopefully your Dad is catching a limit even now...

Considering where we fished (Fletcher's Pond), It might be more likely he is losing all kinds of spoons, plugs, poles, boat motors, etc. I'm not sure he could enjoy just catching fish! ;)

If you are a Bass fishin' fanatic, you probably know that the BASS Bassmasters Classic is in full swing, down in the Mississippi Delta in Louisiana this weekend. This is the Superbowl/World Series/World Cup/Masters of fishing.

I'm bragging today, because my oldest buddy in the world, Mark Menendez, is in the lead after the first day.

Woohoo!!!

I went to school with Mark from second grade through college roomie days. We both went for Fisheries Biology. I switched to chemistry because of job opportunities, but he was studying the biology because he wanted to grow up (?) to be a professional bass fisherman, which he successfully is today.

Good luck, Mark!

Joe-would be happy if I could get my boat cleaned up, much less fish :frust:

And How!!!

And How!!!

Now that would make fishing worth my time! :D

Now that would make fishing worth my time! :D

Not me. I like my beer cold!! :biglaugh: :smokin:

Hey Sheriff, since this is the huntin' and fishin' thread, care to tell us what weapons you plan to carry in your duty arsenal when your huntin' the bad guys and fishin' for leads? :smokin:

He's going to be the new Barney Fife - no bullets. :biglaugh:
Remember he's the one concerned about the temp of the beer!

He'll probably spend most of his time "undercover" posing as a fisherman to catch fishing-law violators. :rolleyes:

Hey Sheriff, since this is the huntin' and fishin' thread, care to tell us what weapons you plan to carry in your duty arsenal when your huntin' the bad guys and fishin' for leads?

1. Common Sense (Oh, that's another thread)
2. Political threads are in the next town, so to speak, and outside the city limits.
3. Fired the weapon last night to see the extent of the range and effectiveness. Awesome editorial powers. I can understand why Moderators hesitate to use them. I once got angry at a Moderator for changing a post because he/she wanted to make a correction out of the goodness of his/her heart. It was a new appointment, such as this, and I now believe it was test firing such as mine to see what came in the bag.
4. For you and Randy (both of them), no weapons are needed. You're all pussies! :vfunny: :agree:

As they said in Full Metal Jacket:
This is my weapon, this is my gun. 1 is for fighting and 1 is for fun!

And as the Beach Boys said:
He'll have fun, fun, fun, till Marc takes his badge away!

Don't you have some debris to pick up out of the yard? :vfunny:

Congrats Bill really, but sorry, I don't see you as Sheriff. I see you more like Monk - the defective detective. He gets the job done but boy does he have his hang-ups. See you've already slapped Mike, Randy and I trying prove that there's a new boss in town. Trying to put us on the defensive and flexing your moderator muscle. Well it's not gonna work with me you 2 bit roof jockey :biglaugh: . Nope, don't reckon it will. You'll have to shoot me Sheriff, if'n ya got the guts. Just give me a chance to get my new Smith & Wesson 50 cal hand gun.
See ya in front of the Red Garter Saloon at high noon!
:thedeal:

Congrats Bill really, but sorry, I don't see you as Sheriff. I see you more like Monk - the defective detective. He gets the job done but boy does he have his hang-ups. See you've already slapped Mike, Randy and I trying prove that there's a new boss in town. Trying to put us on the defensive and flexing your moderator muscle. Well it's not gonna work with me you 2 bit roof jockey

Correct me if I'm wrong. Wasn't you with the association with Barney? First? See below.

He's going to be the new Barney Fife - no bullets. :biglaugh:
Remember he's the one concerned about the temp of the beer!

It really doesn't matter what you see me as. Does it? You really feel slapped? My goodness. Mike doesn't need your "protection". He does very well on his own. And, you can bet he doesn't feel "slapped". That's a fact. As for hang ups, we all have them. Re-read your posts on this topic and you'll see what I mean. :vfunny:

Hey, remember I'm one of those cross talking republicans here! :vfunny:
Yeah, Barney, Monk, Columbo same difference. Oh if only Nosmo King was still here, what fun it would be.

But man Bill, so serious now. Are you saying we can't cut up here anymore? Know what I mean? wink-wink, nudge-nudge. A little Monty Python humor there. :smokin: :biglaugh:

Hey, remember I'm one of those cross talking republicans here!
Yeah, Barney, Monk, Columbo same difference. Oh if only Nosmo King was still here, what fun it would be.

But man Bill, so serious now. Are you saying we can't cut up here anymore? Know what I mean? wink-wink, nudge-nudge. A little Monty Python humor there.

Stew -- You need an orange thingy on the muzzle of that toy gun of yours so everyone knows it is a toy -- I think the Sheriff thought it was a real gun you were pointin' at him so he shot back with real bullets. New Sheriff - probably a teeny bit jumpy 'till he settles in. Then they'll be a bit of calm before the next storm that'll test his mettle.

Although I haven't missed him/her/it at all since banishment, it would be a hoot if ole whatshisname from UK decided to try to drop back in about this time. People would pay to see that hangin' :vfunny:

I talked to Jim about 3 weeks ago concerning some auditing stuff. I'll be going over there in October and I'm suppost to stop in and see him.
Maybe I'll log on while I'm there - oops shouldn't have said that, now the law will really be on my case!!!!! :vfunny:

BTW, it's not a toy I picked it up this past weekend. They're brand new models - the bullets come in hollow points also! :eek:

For some reason an old time sherrif with a 6-shooter on a 21st century web site is kinda strange. Maybe Randy will let energy check a phaser out of the Star Trek thread!!

If you give him a photon torpedo, though, I'm history!

I talked to Jim about 3 weeks ago concerning some auditing stuff. I'll be going over there in October and I'm suppost to stop in and see him.
Maybe I'll log on while I'm there - oops shouldn't have said that, now the law will really be on my case!!!!! :vfunny:

BTW, it's not a toy I picked it up this past weekend. They're brand new models - the bullets come in hollow points also! :eek:

Did you really buy that S&W hand-cannon? Did you shoot it yet?

Yes I did, why I don't know. Maybe because it's sooooo intimidating. The barrel is ported to reduce the kick. I haven't fired it yet and hopefully when I do I'll still be able to type and let you know what happened! The range I usually go to wouldn't let me shoot this past weekend, had to get the manager/owners permission for that caliber.

But man Bill, so serious now. Are you saying we can't cut up here anymore? Know what I mean? wink-wink, nudge-nudge. A little Monty Python humor there.

Well, I did sense something unlike the Randy I know. You know I love the cut ups as much as anybody else.
Sorry, I didn't respond sooner. You know, checking invoices, purchase orders, BOM's, quotes, Customer Satisfaction surveys, new leads, etc.. All this while running around the "yard" picking up nails. :vfunny:
Unfortunately, I'm an Office Turd and rarely get out into the field where all the action is. :agree:

Wow. From what I've read there are several loads for that gun that go from downright nasty to kills in the front and maims in the back. Whichever you use, be sure to give us a thorough report and -- especially since it has a muzzle brake -- use good hearing protection!

As far as the range issue -- if they have a decent dirt backstop there should be no problems as far as stopping the bullets -- a big pile of dirt will stop a .460 Weatherby Mag with FMJ's, so it'll stop that Smith .500.

That S&W .500 is one gun I'd like to fire -- just once or twice after I watch someone else fire it and verify their hands aren't broken. :vfunny: I'd also like to shoot a .375 H&H, .458 Win Mag. and maybe a .460 Weatherby Mag. -- again just once or twice to see what it's like. With the right size gun (no lightweight sporters, please) and a decent recoil pad it should be tolerable, but I wouldn't wanna try to shoot any tight groups with 'em.

They the dirt pile, but nobody had shot a weapon with that size caliber before. No biggy.
My brother-in-law has a .44 automag that I've shot before and that was the biggest. It was better than the .357 he had.

Way back when I was a cop (Not a COP, as in process mapping, but a cop as in flatfoot), my service revolver was a Strum-Ruger 357 mag. (carrying 158 grain copper jacketed hollow points). The local deputies had to carry 38 specials. On several occasions I was called to assist them with a car/cow or car/horse collisions. Because of Humane Society complaints, they were forced to shoot the animal between the eyes with a low grain semi-wad cutter. After several shots, they would call us. We would take our 357s and place it just behind the animal’s ear and end the misery. It made a mess, and we were told it was inhumane, but it was sure more humane than trying it the way they suggested.