Can TS16949 section 8.2.4.1 be interpreted to mean a repeat of sampling every year?

Can TS16949 section 8.2.4.1 be interpreted to mean a repeat of sampling every year?

I don't see the annual requirement anywhere in that statement. I do think that some of the big three (Ford) require annual reviews on their products. This might be where you are getting this.

I would like to add to your questions if I may????

Is this a annual requirement based on TS and/or customer specific requirements (big three), but what if you are a service provider (heat Treat) and are not responsible for design and development of product? How can this 8.2.4.1 apply? The Standard says exclusions can only be under 7.3???? We don't do layout inspections and the closest we come to functional testing is harness testing and related Heat Treat testing.

What does your control plan say, for layout inspections and functional verification??
If it is not in your control plan than I would say 8.2.4.1 does not apply. This doesn't mean you can "exclude" this requirement. It's just N/A.

For example:
We manufacture seat frames, therefore those control plans call out frequency of layout and verification.
We also, e-coat and powder coat. Those control plans do not call out for any layouts.

Hope this helps!

What does your control plan say, for layout inspections and functional verification??
If it is not in your control plan than I would say 8.2.4.1 does not apply. This doesn't mean you can "exclude" this requirement. It's just N/A.

For example:
We manufacture seat frames, therefore those control plans call out frequency of layout and verification.
We also, e-coat and powder coat. Those control plans do not call out for any layouts.

Hope this helps!

Speaking for my question; our control plans do not address layout inspection or functional testing because we do not do it as described in the standard. It is actually not even an option for us, our customers would not want us to do this for them; proprietary designs and such. I do not see in Annex A where this has to be on the control plan. :confused:

As a manufacturer I am sure your control plans would have to address this. Ours do not.

8.2.4.1
A layout inspection and functional verification to app. customer engineering material and performance standards shall be performed for each product as specified in the control plans.

Maybe I am reading this wrong? :confused:
It may or may not be applicable to your situation and/or processes.

I see what you are saying. I would like to get clarrification on that. I understand that to mean that IF you say in your control plan that you do it, then you set the frequency and such. But it doesn't mean you have to have it in the control plan??? :confused: :confused:

Since 8.2.4.1 is not applicable to our service provided, do you think we can just address this in our manual as this in not applicable to our organization. In effect excluding it with out say we are excluding it.

I see what you are saying. I would like to get clarrification on that. I understand that to mean that IF you say in your control plan that you do it, then you set the frequency and such. But it doesn't mean you have to have it in the control plan???

Since 8.2.4.1 is not applicable to our service provided, do you think we can just address this in our manual as this in not applicable to our organization. In effect excluding it with out say we are excluding it.

Ah, I think we are getting closer here. For example: Servicing is not something we do. When I first wrote our manual, I said we excluded that. Wrong answer! :bonk:
So, I simply stated, that at this time servicing did not apply to our organization.
Bingo! Registrar had no problem with that statement! ;)

As long as your customers are approving PPAP's, it is not in your control plan and basically does not apply to you, I don't know why, IMO, that you couldn't do the same thing.

Excellent - that is the approach I took. We address it only to say we don't do it. Thanks for the feedback. :bigwave: