D.Scott
18th December 2003, 02:24 PM
I recently received the following from our registrar in regard to Scope Statements -December 8, 2003
To: All ISO/TS16949 Accounts and Certified Clients
Re: Changes/Clarifications in Requirements for ISO/TS16949 Certificates
A recent audit at the name removed offices has brought about further clarification of current approval rules for ISO/TS16949. Please take careful note of the following:
1. Scope statements on ISO/TS16949 certificates must include all products and services being supplied to all companies subscribing to the ISO/TS16949:2002 document and must be restricted to those products and services. In other words, only products and services that meet the applicability requirements of ISO/TS16949 may be identified in the scope statement on the certification; no more, no less.
2. Product references within the certificate’s scope statement should be somewhat specific. That is to say that a reference to radiators, hoses and thermostats would be preferable to the general category of “coolant system components”.
3. Making an addition to an existing ISO/TS16949 certificate scope after certification would require an organization to demonstrate that the product/service they wish to add meets the applicability requirements of ISO/TS16949 as if they were applying for certification for the first time. In other words, the organization should demonstrate that the product/service they wish to add is on a bid list (not preferred but certainly the minimum requirement) and preferably, before name removed adds the product to the scope, there is an active automotive purchase order for it. Naturally, the management system would require an assessment to ensure that the new addition (i.e., product/service) has been fully integrated as required.
For clarification of #1 above, there is a mandatory exclusion of non-automotive products from the ISO/TS16949 scope statement. Due to this exclusion, an organization may want to demonstrate to concerned parties that these non-automotive products are included in the assessed quality management system. If so, your organization can request that name removed include a separate certification to only ISO9001:2000 which is inherent in the audit and the foundational basis for ISO/TS16949. The scope of the ISO9001:2000 certificate may then include all products and services audited, recommended and approved for an accredited certification.
Should you have any questions, comments or concerns please do not hesitate to call or write at your convenience.
With best wishes for a wonderful holiday season,
I found this to be quite puzzling and wonder if any of you are experiencing the same dilema.
We are a very reactionary company when it comes to customer requests. We will often inovate a process to meet a customer's needs. If we are no longer registered as a company (only specific processes which are listed in the scope) how can we introduce new processes to our customers while being excluded from bidding on a project in the first place? Any additional process development (beyond the closely defined scope) will require additional assessment (read MONEY).
It also appears the non-automotive processes cannot be listed in the scope although they will certainly have to be audited and assessed for ISO-900X. If they have already been assessed then why do they need to be re-assessed if done for an automotive customer? Does this say we will be getting assessed to two completely different standards?
Is the intent of the new standard to restrict process development, limit competition, or discourage innovation? Maybe this latest interpretation is designed to increase the number of assessments?
I will be fair though and wait for comments and explanations I may have overlooked before I jump up on the soapbox.
Dave
To: All ISO/TS16949 Accounts and Certified Clients
Re: Changes/Clarifications in Requirements for ISO/TS16949 Certificates
A recent audit at the name removed offices has brought about further clarification of current approval rules for ISO/TS16949. Please take careful note of the following:
1. Scope statements on ISO/TS16949 certificates must include all products and services being supplied to all companies subscribing to the ISO/TS16949:2002 document and must be restricted to those products and services. In other words, only products and services that meet the applicability requirements of ISO/TS16949 may be identified in the scope statement on the certification; no more, no less.
2. Product references within the certificate’s scope statement should be somewhat specific. That is to say that a reference to radiators, hoses and thermostats would be preferable to the general category of “coolant system components”.
3. Making an addition to an existing ISO/TS16949 certificate scope after certification would require an organization to demonstrate that the product/service they wish to add meets the applicability requirements of ISO/TS16949 as if they were applying for certification for the first time. In other words, the organization should demonstrate that the product/service they wish to add is on a bid list (not preferred but certainly the minimum requirement) and preferably, before name removed adds the product to the scope, there is an active automotive purchase order for it. Naturally, the management system would require an assessment to ensure that the new addition (i.e., product/service) has been fully integrated as required.
For clarification of #1 above, there is a mandatory exclusion of non-automotive products from the ISO/TS16949 scope statement. Due to this exclusion, an organization may want to demonstrate to concerned parties that these non-automotive products are included in the assessed quality management system. If so, your organization can request that name removed include a separate certification to only ISO9001:2000 which is inherent in the audit and the foundational basis for ISO/TS16949. The scope of the ISO9001:2000 certificate may then include all products and services audited, recommended and approved for an accredited certification.
Should you have any questions, comments or concerns please do not hesitate to call or write at your convenience.
With best wishes for a wonderful holiday season,
I found this to be quite puzzling and wonder if any of you are experiencing the same dilema.
We are a very reactionary company when it comes to customer requests. We will often inovate a process to meet a customer's needs. If we are no longer registered as a company (only specific processes which are listed in the scope) how can we introduce new processes to our customers while being excluded from bidding on a project in the first place? Any additional process development (beyond the closely defined scope) will require additional assessment (read MONEY).
It also appears the non-automotive processes cannot be listed in the scope although they will certainly have to be audited and assessed for ISO-900X. If they have already been assessed then why do they need to be re-assessed if done for an automotive customer? Does this say we will be getting assessed to two completely different standards?
Is the intent of the new standard to restrict process development, limit competition, or discourage innovation? Maybe this latest interpretation is designed to increase the number of assessments?
I will be fair though and wait for comments and explanations I may have overlooked before I jump up on the soapbox.
Dave
