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Donald Duck
29th January 2004, 11:45 PM
If I ask: What is the importance of a Quality System?

What is the best answer?

My answer is: a Quality System is the most effective Poka-Yoka. agree?

Marc
30th January 2004, 01:03 AM
I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.

Wes Bucey
30th January 2004, 01:52 AM
I'm not sure I understand what you're asking."Importance of QMS" does not equate grammatically or philosophically with
poka-yoke -- poka is Japanese for "inadvertent mistake". Yokeru is Japanese for "to avoid." It is often used as a synonym for ZQC, error-proofing, or mistake-proofing.

poka-yoke devices -- mechanisms that either prevent a mistake from being made or make the mistake obvious at a glance.

since it doesn't take into effect "customer satisfaction."
(e.g. Some suppliers may have excellent poka yoke, but don't pass the inherent saving on to customers and thereby do not use it as an effective marketing tool. Poka yoke may be invisible to a customer - how the supplier creates an error-free product is unimportant to most buyers if they get it error-free at a competitive price.)

Also, since poka yoke can be present even when no other QMS components are present (purchasing, sales, marketing, Contract review, Supplier approval, etc.), it seems to have no relation to the IMPORTANCE of a QMS.

A QMS can exist and be important to an organization WITHOUT the implementation of a conscious poka yoke program.

I'd certainly be interested in seeing the trail between your premise and your conclusion, Donald Duck.

nancy chen
30th January 2004, 03:39 AM
What is the importance of a Quality System?

My answer is: the importance of a quality system is to assure the quality of a product.

Wes Bucey
30th January 2004, 03:54 AM
What is the importance of a Quality System?

My answer is: the importance of a quality system is to assure the quality of a product.If we are to accept ISO 9k2k, it is to assure customer satisfaction, plus employee and investor satisfaction, as well.

Claes Gefvenberg
30th January 2004, 04:31 AM
If we are to accept ISO 9k2k, it is to assure customer satisfaction, plus employee and investor satisfaction, as well.
Yes. And let's not forget that even though the QMS standards we see today are something relatively new, Quality Management Systems are not. All through history we have always needed guidance of some kind.

Why it is important to have a QMS? To systematically support and facilitate the cooperation between customer and supplier.

/Claes

Al Dyer
30th January 2004, 08:53 AM
A quality system is to give a business the methodology and tools to operate the business in a manner that promotes ongoing growth and stability, which ultimately involves customer and supplier support of the system.

Hate to use the word synergy, slap me please!;)

Al...

SteelMaiden
30th January 2004, 09:53 AM
IMHO...

The importance of a quality system is a method for communication throughout an organization to facilitate doing the right thing, at the right time, for the right reason.

Craig H.
30th January 2004, 10:05 AM
If I ask: What is the importance of a Quality System?

What is the best answer?



The fact that someone says "quality system" means they should realize that it is, indeed, a system. This, in and of itself, is a major step toward integrating quality throughout and within the product/service realization process, as opposed to just installing a haphazard after-thought.

Craig

RCBeyette
30th January 2004, 11:36 AM
Let's see...

A system, according to the online Merriam-Webster can be "an organization forming a network especially for distributing something or serving a common purpose" or "an organized set of doctrines, ideas, or principles usually intended to explain the arrangement or working of a systematic whole".

Quality (same source) is a "peculiar and essential character", "an inherent feature", a "degree of excellence" and "a distinguishing attribute."

So, from those definitions does it make sense to say that the importance of a Quality System is to provide a common philosophy within an organization to ensure that requirements are met?

And those requirements, as has been discussed before, can include a multitude of items.

Rob Nix
30th January 2004, 12:38 PM
Using dictionary logic, we can extrapolate even further! :p

Quality Management System =

One reference illustrates that NEW products are generally of higher quality than old ones; therefore Quality = New.

Webster's dictionary, under WORLD; definition 7b says "a distinctive class of persons" - which certainly Managers are. Therefore, Management = World.

Likewise, the dictionary states that a synonym for System is ORDER.

So, in the eyes of we humble quality practitioners, our QMS represents a NEW WORLD ORDER! :vfunny:

Wes Bucey
30th January 2004, 12:44 PM
Likewise, the dictionary states that a synonym for System is ORDER.

So, in the eyes of we humble quality practitioners, our QMS represents a NEW WORLD ORDER! :vfunny:I think I see. So, when we register our systems to this NEW WORLD ORDER, will we get black shirts and long black leather coats, too?:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :vfunny: