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HBGTBT
13th February 2004, 01:41 PM
In AS-9100 rev A it mentions the word "Clause". There are several references to clauses for example "Clauses 4 - 8". Here is my question, and I stand by the old rule that the stupidest question is the one that is never asked. So, my question is not the stupidest one ever asked.

PER AS-9100 rev A . . . What is a clause? How many clauses are there?

Thanks

Sue
13th February 2004, 02:02 PM
Not sure if you want the grammatical definition or not, but here goes:

clause -- ((grammar) an expression including a subject and predicate but not constituting a complete sentence)

HBGTBT
13th February 2004, 02:09 PM
Sue, thanks for the reply, but that is not what I am looking for. Apparently, from what I am being told, a "Clause" has some kind of meaning when used in the context of AS-9100. Kinda like the old ISO 9000 series used the word "Element" as in there were 20 elements in the old ISO 9001? I have been asked the question, "How many clauses are in AS9100 rev A, and I do not know how to answer it because I am not sure what a "Clause" is? Will this help in answering this question??

HBGTBT
13th February 2004, 02:17 PM
I was asked a question and I have no answer. Can someone help?

I was asked "how many clauses are in AS9100 rev A?" To answer this I first need to know "What is a Clause, when used in the AS9100 rev A standard?" Second, if you know what a clauses is, then you could tell me how many clauses there are in AS9100 rev A.

Thanks

Al Rosen
13th February 2004, 02:18 PM
In AS-9100 rev A it mentions the word "Clause". There are several references to clauses for example "Clauses 4 - 8". Here is my question, and I stand by the old rule that the stupidest question is the one that is never asked. So, my question is not the stupidest one ever asked.

PER AS-9100 rev A . . . What is a clause? How many clauses are there?

Thanks
Hi HBGTBT:
I think you mean:

"A distinct article, stipulation, or provision in a document"

There are 8 main clauses in ISO9001:2000 (I assume AS9100 is organized in a similar manner) and within each main clause there are sub-clauses all numbered accordingly. Clauses 4-8 are the ones relating to specific requirements.

Al Rosen
13th February 2004, 02:21 PM
I was asked a question and I have no answer. Can someone help?

I was asked "how many clauses are in AS9100 rev A?" To answer this I first need to know "What is a Clause, when used in the AS9100 rev A standard?" Second, if you know what a clauses is, then you could tell me how many clauses there are in AS9100 rev A.

Thanks
You posted this in another thread, check it. No need to post in multiple forums.

HBGTBT
13th February 2004, 03:50 PM
Thanks Al. Just to be sure that I am clear on this, would you mind listing the 8 clauses found in ISO9001:2000 and I can compare that to AS9100?

Thanks

Craig H.
13th February 2004, 03:59 PM
HBGTBT

Here you go:

1 Scope
2 Normative Reference
3 Terms and Definitions
4 Quality Management System
5 Management Responsibility
6 Resource Management
7 Product Realization
8 Measurement, Analysis, and Improvement

Also, 4.1, 4.2, etc would correctly be called sub-clauses, IMO.

Hope this helps.

Craig

HBGTBT
13th February 2004, 05:13 PM
Thanks, Craig. It is now making some sense.

Thanks again

Pennington
20th February 2004, 07:59 PM
In my opinion HBGTBT, a clause is a numbered heading to a requirement. Therefore 4. Quality System Requirements is a heading but not a clause. 4.1 General Requirements is a clause because it is followed by requirements. 4.1a would therefore be a sub clause.

So the number of clauses equates to the number of headings that are followed by requirements. Hence there were 59 clauses in ISO 9001:1994 and there are 51 clauses in ISO 9001:2000. The Aerospace industry might interpret it differently now but in the 1970s that's the way we used to interpret it.