What is the going salary range for a TS coordinator. I am in the negotiating stage of the process of a job offer. Not much out there on the web to support a position. Hurry !

This is going to be sketchy unless someone with more direct input can weigh in.

Do you have a copy of December 2003 Quality Progress? I am taking the Table B salary survey off of page 40, under "Coordinator" title, and according to how many years in Quality.

.........................Min............Max...........Mean..........Median....# inputs

<1 year............$25,000.....$80,000.......$43,219........$42,000.......15
1-3 years...........24,000.......88,000........46,420..........43,499.......68
3.1-6 years........22,000......120,000........47,233..........44,500.......99
6.1-10 years......23,000........93,000........46,965..........45,000......105
10.1-20 years.....24,000......109,000........54,593..........51,144.......84
>20 years..........30,000......100,000........54,454..........51,750.......32
0 yrs experience..35,700.......72,000........45,425..........37,000........4

I hope this helps!

Jennifer

Military and Industry have a phrase, "Mission Creep" which describes the process of scope and other requirements of a "mission" being expanded far beyond the original intent.

My experience with customers and suppliers is that the job title, itself, has less to do with the value of the position than the real scope of tasks expected for the position.

Example:
Banks and financial companies used to hand out the title "vice president" to everyone above "teller." The result was the proliferation of "Senior," "Executive," "Group," "Division," "Corporate," and other modifiers for "Vice President" to differentiate relative importance when the title became cheapened.

Similarly, organizations have different scopes for jobs with the same title. "Quality Manager" at one organization may be an inspector with an exaggerated title, while "Quality Engineer" at another organization may encompass tasks up to, and including, creating organization-wide quality policies and procedures, as well as aspects of Operations Manager.

Many of the detailed job descriptions I see for "Quality Coordinator" in the Midwest seem to be primarily clerk jobs (shuffling papers and filing records) wherein the tasks call more for computer savvy and filing expertise than for education or experience on the "tools of quality." This is especially true when I see code phrases such as "assist Quality Manager" or "Supports QM relative to meetings, presentations or data collection."

This is the main reason I see for a disparity of approximately $60,000/year for coordinators on the job for less than 3 years (in the ASQ survey reported by Jennifer.)

In my opinion, the value of a coordinator's salary should have a base equal to any clerk dealing with the same amount of records anywhere in the organization, with increases based on added value due to

understanding and interpreting Standards in relation to the work of the organization,
creating procedures and forms based on understanding of the process under consideration in relation to the requirements of the Standard.
training other employees of the organization in understanding relation of each Procedure, form, or record to the "big picture."
Another aspect of the valuation is the likelihood of continued employment. I have seen several companies hire "coordinators" only to dump them once registration has been received, reasoning "the job is done."

Bottom line:
Criteria for coordinator wage:

scope of work
size of organization
permanence of position

I see serious responses to somebody with one post. Is it me? Do you have a life or really think this needs attention?As a professional, I see a responsibility to put out information for everyone on the TOPIC, not just whether the initial poster deserves a reply. In my opinion, questions about dealing with something as serious as a career choice deserve a serious answer.

The very fact Google spiders are constantly going through the Cove verifies that the comments we make may be seen by many more than regular visitors to the Cove.

As I write this post, mine will be the next post after Energy's #4, but the tally shows 38 entities have already viewed this particular thread. I think of all the times I look at a "cached" entry in Google as I research any topic and know that many more than 38 people will see my response over the next year or so. Because of that, I try to make the comment worthwhile.

In addition, EVERYONE has a right to make his first post. It wasn't so long ago I made my first post. If I had a different personality, I might have been discouraged from posting by mean-spirited gibes from "regulars" and not been able to offer the benefit of my experience and knowledge.

I am one of the few posters who uses his real name and declines to snipe at others from the cover of an anonymous screen name.

Since I do sign my real name every time, I try to behave like the responsible professional I consider myself. Maybe the only real "police action" we need is a little sunshine on our identities.

"I see serious responses to somebody with one post. Is it me? Do you have a life or really think this needs attention?"

Me too, and yes, and yes.

A couple of years ago a federal agency asked me to justify a salary I had quoted in a research grant proposal as the project's Principal Investigator. I cited my asserted position within the ASQ's salary survey spread of that period; as a statistical, verifiable, professional source it was accepted without further question. And so goes the basis of salary negotiation.

I similarly surmise that the poster is potentially asking for nothing more than this, an "official" industry-based guideline against which to base a request upon which further negotiation may, or may not proceed. Without reason to do otherwise, I'll choose to take this poster at face value and respond to a simple request with a simple answer.

The fact that it is this particular poster's first appearance at this particular site is rather a moot point to me. I prefer that a person ask for help when it matters, rather than not at all; my personal unofficial motto is "He who ask, shall receive maybe; he who don't ask, shall receive diddly."

I deleted the post as very irresponsible.

I apologise.

I appreciate the comments to my original post. The Cove has been and will be a help to many of the less experienced Professional people. Mentoring is what I feel is the purpose of the Cove.

Thank you for the support.
AMR123

I deleted the post as very irresponsible.

I apologise.

Looking back it, you are correct. I should have asked, "Why would anyone involved in salary negotiations need to register here for assistance and put "hurry" in the post? How did you end up in this position? What was the original game plan? What is your actual experience in? Sorry, it came out "irresponsible". :o :agree:

Looking back it, you are correct. I should have asked, "Why would anyone involved in salary negotiations need to register here for assistance and put "hurry" in the post? How did you end up in this position? What was the original game plan? What is your actual experience in? Sorry, it came out "irresponsible". :o :agree:

"Hurry" was added simply because I was at the end of negotiations. I was unable to find the title TS Coordinator while researching the wage base. I was recruited and had not finalized the offer as of my original post. My actualy experiences have been layered all throughout manufacturing. It has been focused on Quality for the past 2 plus years. Industrial engineering technology was my major while in college. I have assisted several orginizations with ISO and QS certification. I am currently helping a company, as a contract quality engineer, to begin the steps into TS certification as a "COP". An auditor who audits to the control plan. Irresponsible is not a moniker that is usually attached to me.

Looking back it, you are correct. I should have asked, "Why would anyone involved in salary negotiations need to register here for assistance and put "hurry" in the post?
Because they're looking for an answer. I see no problem with someone coming here looking for information in a hurry, and whether it was a first post or not is not material.

energy, your post was insensitive and simply wrong. You should have replied with an answer or not said anything. First time posters in a 'hurry' are not an undeserving sub-group as you suggest in your post. I'm very disappointed.

"Hurry" was added simply because I was at the end of negotiations. I was unable to find the title TS Coordinator while researching the wage base. I was recruited and had not finalized the offer as of my original post. My actualy experiences have been layered all throughout manufacturing. It has been focused on Quality for the past 2 plus years. Industrial engineering technology was my major while in college. I have assisted several orginizations with ISO and QS certification. I am currently helping a company, as a contract quality engineer, to begin the steps into TS certification as a "COP". An auditor who audits to the control plan. Irresponsible is not a moniker that is usually attached to me.
The "irresponsible" monicker is directed at me. Not you. I did not take the post seriously because I didn't feel it was a "legitimate" request. That's my fault, not yours. We have had posts before that were simply somebody's idea of having some fun making members spin their wheels and do research to never return again. Apparently, this was not the case and I apologize for my insensitive post. I just couldn't understand the 11th hour scramble for a salary number so close to the end of negotiations. Mea Culpa! I hope you'll stick around and let us know how you made out. :agree:

Because they're looking for an answer. I see no problem with someone coming here looking for information in a hurry, and whether it was a first post or not is not material.

energy, your post was insensitive and simply wrong. You should have replied with an answer or not said anything. First time posters in a 'hurry' are not an undeserving sub-group as you suggest in your post. I'm very disappointed.

My response to AMR123 in this post decribes how I felt about that original post. It was not an attempt to paint all first time posters as a sub-group. I just didn't think it was an honest plea for assistance. Being in the job hunt plenty of times, it just didn't seem possible that a candidate for a position that late in the game, wouldn't know what they were signing on for. My mistake. Your disappointment is understood and I'm glad the post was deleted. Shot myself in the foot, so to speak. :agree:

The fact that it is this particular poster's first appearance at this particular site is rather a moot point to me. I prefer that a person ask for help when it matters, rather than not at all; my personal unofficial motto is "He who ask, shall receive maybe; he who don't ask, shall receive diddly."
Jennifer, I am sorry if I offended you. My post was not intended to do that. See the following...please?

http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=6230

This was almost a year ago. April 2003. I admit, I saw something different. I appear to be wrong. Where were all those questions? Where was the so called participation after the first plea for assistance? Where was the thanks?Are we here to just satisfy all inquiries, regardless of the source? First time serious members, absolutely. Members who only show up for more info, with no interest other than theirs? I object, most strenuously. Well, it appears that I have lost my job here in the Cove and it will make some people happy. I cut through the smoke and mirrors and always told it like I saw it. :whip: Hey, it worked for awhile. Sorry you were caught up in the flap and again, I'm truly sorry. More than you know. :(

Energy, I really appreciate your apology but I must say my frosty response was not intended to convey hurt feelings. You brought up what could truly be legitimate concerns, though I dare say your delivery could have been more effective.

I see a basic difference between the two examples. The poster you included the link to (and thank you for that clarification) was at an entry stage, where the poster I responded to was in final salary negotiation. This is a big difference since, as I see it, the questions you brought up should have already been answered. The fact they weren't asked here was the point that I found moot. What I was responding to was a request for data. I gave raw data, frankly without any of that very supportive justification for placement within such a wide spread. Salary negotiations are only partially based on facts, but statistical data is certainly useful! (It was for me, anyway :agree1: )

I really do not feel comfortable deciding who should not be given such help based on it being the poster's first time on this forum; I am a newbie here myself. And so, I will keep offering at the risk of not giving what the requester really needs, just doing my humble best as I am able.

Peace to you! :agree:

I will close this off topic part of this thread in saying this:

The forums are here to help all people, not to be a club where a new poster is chastized or demeaned. This is not an exclusive club. At one point not so long ago, before advertising (BA?) where it was a bit more restrictive because there was a charge for accessing attachments to posts. Advertising has eliminated the need for those restrictions.

My disappointment was in the words energy used. Unfortunately there have been several recent events which let me to decide to put energy 'back in the pool with everyone else' and his post here was the determining factor.

No one should ever have to say something like:
I really do not feel comfortable deciding who should not be given such help based on it being the poster's first time on this forum...
There should be no decision like that to make. If someone asks a question and someone knows the answer or can give information, they hopefully will. Not replying to someone because the person is new is NOT the policy here.

Now and again all of us 'regulars' get testy, and did so much more readily in the past. We did a lot of things differently in the past. For example, I can't say how many tmes I wanted to reply to someone "Hey, if you would do a simple search, you'd find that exact, same question was asked 150 times already." A while back I was more likely to. But things have changed significantly.

The Cove has taken a turn towards legitimacy, if you will, and I'm pushing to make it much more 'professional' and useable than it ever was and I plan to make these forums one of the best in the world for addressing the issues we address. That's why even in the Coffee Break forum I have cracked down on the many aspects from the use of profanity to ensuring politics and religion do not enter into threads.

I should also say that over the last year I have seen dramatic changes in the forums - good changes - and I hope they continue. I'm not trying to make this into the ASQ forum or any other forum. But I am trying to bring what used to be a hobby for me more than anything else into the 'mainstream'. Considering the history here, it has not been smooth but is making very good progress.

Now - if folks have things to add to the original topic, on with it. But please - let's drop this 'off topic' part.