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Tim Folkerts
17th March 2004, 06:35 PM
“quality”: meeting customer expectations; doing the right things right; lack of variation.

“Quality”: the collection of documents, people, and procedures in place to encourage and ensure that processes are correctly performed and procedures are correctly followed; the infrastructure and culture for doing things right.


Below are a few random musings from an “outsider” – a scientist by training, an educator by profession, a recent CQE & CRE by self-study. I have lurked here for a while and occasionally posted. I see certain themes and issues related to “Quality” and “quality” tied through many different threads.

“Quality” and “quality” are both important. They are symbiotic – neither one thriving without the other.
“Quality” should be a means of achieving “quality”, not an end unto itself. The greatest procedures in the world won’t actually improve “quality”.
“quality” is not simply about reducing variation or adding features. It is only “quality” if the changes are of some use to the customer.
ISO9000 provides guidelines related to “Quality”. In the right hands, it empowers an organization; in the wrong hands, it hopelessly bogs down an organization.
Effective “Quality” improvement requires leadership and management skills. Effective “quality” improvement requires technical and statistical skills. Few people excel at both. This dichotomy produces challenges within companies and within ASQ.
Six Sigma ties in strongly to both “Quality” and “quality”. Proponents of 6S see Black Belts as masters of both, driving improvements in both “Quality” and quality” throughout an organization. Opponents believe that responsibility for both “Quality” and “quality” becomes too concentrated, rather than ingrained into the culture of the organization. (Sort of like the debates about Reagan’s “trickle-down” theory of economics.)
Deming’s 14 Points address “Quality”. When properly applied, they free an organization to effectively pursue “quality”.
The recent thread recommending that people stop referring to the “ISO900 Manual” and instead speak about “our Quality Management Plan” speaks volumes. Both “Quality” and “quality” need to be part of a company’s culture, not viewed as regulations imposed by an outside authority.
Many other threads deal with interpreting specific clauses of ISO9000 and other standards. Why does “Quality” need to be so difficult? If “Quality” is so complicated that even quality professionals don’t understand it, what hope is there for management or line workers to embrace it?
In a recent thread, people discussed whether they considered themselves in “quality control” or “quality assurance”. Interestingly, these are both basically the same leg of Juran’s Quality Trilogy -- nobody said they were in “quality planning” or “quality improvement”.
“Quality” is much more generic and can be applied broadly across different companies and different industries. “quality” requires specific knowledge of the products and processes. Unfortunately, the people in an organization involved with “Quality” often don’t get involved with “quality”. Those involved with “quality” often don’t get involved with “Quality”.
Similar issues develop in many fields: “Labor” vs. “labor”, “Legal System” vs. “justice”, “Education” vs. “education”, “Health Care System” vs. “health”. Each of these pairs should be aimed toward common goals. Whenever the means overshadow the ends, whenever the process overshadows the results, big troubles are in store. (ASQ as an organization seems to be falling into this trap, becoming the “Voice Of Quality”, rather than the “voice of quality professionals”.)
Finally, keep in mind that “Quality” and “quality” are two very different things. Most people think “quality” when they hear the word. Most quality professionals think “Quality”. This can easily lead to people talking past each other, which in turn inhibits any true communication, understanding and progress.


Time to put on the asbestos underwear :ca: to prepare for the heat this will generate :mad:

Tim

Wes Bucey
17th March 2004, 07:42 PM
“quality”: meeting customer expectations; doing the right things right; lack of variation.

“Quality”: the collection of documents, people, and procedures in place to encourage and ensure that processes are correctly performed and procedures are correctly followed; the infrastructure and culture for doing things right.


Below are a few random musings from an “outsider” – a scientist by training, an educator by profession, a recent CQE & CRE by self-study.

Many other threads deal with interpreting specific clauses of ISO9000 and other standards. Why does “Quality” need to be so difficult? If “Quality” is so complicated that even quality professionals don’t understand it, what hope is there for management or line workers to embrace it?


“Quality” is much more generic and can be applied broadly across different companies and different industries. “quality” requires specific knowledge of the products and processes. Unfortunately, the people in an organization involved with “Quality” often don’t get involved with “quality”. Those involved with “quality” often don’t get involved with “Quality”.


(ASQ as an organization seems to be falling into this trap, becoming the “Voice Of Quality”, rather than the “voice of quality professionals”.)


Finally, keep in mind that “Quality” and “quality” are two very different things. Most people think “quality” when they hear the word. Most quality professionals think “Quality”. This can easily lead to people talking past each other, which in turn inhibits any true communication, understanding and progress.
Time to put on the asbestos underwear :ca: to prepare for the heat this will generate :mad: Tim
I'm not so sure about heat, Tim. I did note some interesting tidbits.

IMO, the single greatest objection about ISO Standards is the "fear" engendered in an organization when given an ultimatum by one or more major customers to the effect "register or die." Most organization executives believe and succumb to the "resistance is futile" theory and miss the point of ISO entirely. They set their sights on "registration" and not on "Quality Management System."

Sad to say, we who consider ourselves "Quality Professionals" are often isolated from the Business Management System of an organization and never have an opportunity for input, regardless of whether we know all the "Quality Tools." Further, in my experience, true Quality Professionals do not act like false prophets who speak a secret language among themselves and proclaim "only they can know what the Deity wants." Only the false prophets and "wannabe" Quality Professionals wrap themselves in phony robes and try to fool people into believing the prophets are "special."

Al Dyer
18th March 2004, 07:44 AM
I don't expect any heat, well thought out views on the idea and the profession.

If you want a little heat the only thing I would offer is that Reagan was a proponent of the “trickle-down theory” which is actually a main basis for the Austrian model of economics. Ronnie is old, but not that old, plus although bright, I would not consider him capable of the thought process required to design an economic model. :biglaugh: <O:p></O:p>

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Great post!:applause:

Al...<O:p></O:p>

Jennifer Kirley
19th March 2004, 05:38 PM
“quality”: meeting customer expectations; doing the right things right; lack of variation.

“Quality”: the collection of documents, people, and procedures in place to encourage and ensure that processes are correctly performed and procedures are correctly followed; the infrastructure and culture for doing things right....


“Quality” is much more generic and can be applied broadly across different companies and different industries. “quality” requires specific knowledge of the products and processes. Unfortunately, the people in an organization involved with “Quality” often don’t get involved with “quality”. Those involved with “quality” often don’t get involved with “Quality”.
Similar issues develop in many fields: “Labor” vs. “labor”, “Legal System” vs. “justice”, “Education” vs. “education”, “Health Care System” vs. “health”. Each of these pairs should be aimed toward common goals. Whenever the means overshadow the ends, whenever the process overshadows the results, big troubles are in store. (ASQ as an organization seems to be falling into this trap, becoming the “Voice Of Quality”, rather than the “voice of quality professionals”.)
Finally, keep in mind that “Quality” and “quality” are two very different things. Most people think “quality” when they hear the word. Most quality professionals think “Quality”. This can easily lead to people talking past each other, which in turn inhibits any true communication, understanding and progress.


I really liked the smooth definitions and comparison between Quality and quality. It's the best I've seen yet. :applause:

I can similarly imagine, I think, what you mean when you go further by including Education vs. education, and so on.

It's good to be among people who grasp these nuances. I enjoy being in your company so I can be with people whom I believe understand me and don't find me tiresome! :tg:

Jennifer