I was going thorugh some older threads and came upon a Poll in http://Elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=4208

As an update, what is your registration situation now? I have added a few options to this new poll.

Good idea. :agree1: These things have a tendency to change over time...

Looks like I'm first... Not only did we upgrade in 2003. We also had some ownership (Yep... New company name too... Again... ...on we go :rolleyes: ) changes in January 2004.

/Claes

Our "site" is registered to ISO9001:2000. There are couple of other sites within our organization currently working for ISO9001 registration. We are not yet registered to ISO9001:2000 as a whole Global organization.

How do I address this scenario in the poll? Just speak for our site?
Govind.

Just your site. It would have been too confusing to try to address all the possible combination situations.

Hi All,

Yes, we upgraded from 1994. Our company has been certified since December 1994 with the same registrar.

Greg B

We are ISO/TS16949:2002 and ISO14001:1996 certified

My company was certified for ISO 9000:1994 in June1995 & upgraded to QS9000 in Dec'2000 & recertified for QS9000 in Jan'2004 but QS9000 is based on ISO9000:1994. Just got confused, please help

Voted...transitioned mid-2003. Project to transition included incorporating our off-site sales branches who had had no previous exposure to ISO before (except as an acronym for 'In Search Of...').

They've almost taken it to heart...occasionally, we get some massive grumbling from our Sales people, but we grumble right back. :D Their Internal Audit results have been amazing! In one year, their results have gone from obvious discrepancies in the system to more of a focus on improvement. Great to see!

Maybe there should be a poll for those that have transition or are in the process of transition from QS to TS?

Our pre-assessment is scheduled for September 20th and our certification audit is scheduled to the week of January 10th, 2004.

We transitioned April 2003. We are also registered to ISO 13485:96 and will transition to Iso 13485:2003 in April '05.

Our pre-assessment is scheduled for September 20th and our certification audit is scheduled to the week of January 10th, 2004.

Somewhat confused...don't know how it works in Georgia, but here in Canada, January 10th, 2004 has come and gone. :D Is that the date you transitioned or will your transition audit be Jan 10, 2005?

Not sure how to vote in this pole. We are currently not registered to ISO9000, and never were. There are currently no plans to register, although we are developing our quality management system based on ISO9000:2000.

Somewhat confused...don't know how it works in Georgia, but here in Canada, January 10th, 2004 has come and gone. :D Is that the date you transitioned or will your transition audit be Jan 10, 2005?
That's the way it works in Georgia.

Part of our facility was QS9000 registered, and are in the process of TS16949 transition. The rest of the facility was never registered, but complied with the standard. This portion of the business is pursuing ISO 9001:2000 registration (4 different facilities, actually).

Not sure how to vote in this pole. We are currently not registered to ISO9000, and never were. There are currently no plans to register, although we are developing our quality management system based on ISO9000:2000.

Andy,
This is an interesting possibility. Implement the system and comply to ISO9001:2000 requirements (Self assessment) but not register. I guess this option is possible and there could be other organizations beside yours taking this direction.

Govind.

We were registered to TS16949:2002 in March of 2004. We are also registered to ISO14001: 1996 as of August 2003.

Registered since August 2001. Some notes:

The organization was not registered to any standard before.
The organization that is registered is a small department (12 people) of a huge (over 60,000 people) Fortune 100 company - and is the only part of that company to be registered!
We regard this as a stepping-stone towards laboratory accreditation (ISO 17025) but budget constraints since 9/11/2001 have caused a severe negative impact in the original timeline.

Why is "No, not registered to ISO 9001 or other equivalent standard" not an option? My employer is not registered and I'm danged proud of that fact. . . Besides, you have now made a biased survey, which I am sure will some how manage to be used to support ISO hoopla! :bonk:

We have passed ISO 9001:2000 certification yesterday.

Congratulations Juliasun!!!! :applause:

:rar:

Congratulations :applause:

Thanks!!!!!

Good idea to run this poll
Company accredited to ISO 9001:2000 in Sep 2000 Recently audited in January 2004
also recently got accreditation to ISO/TS 16949:2002 and ISO 14001
It's been so busy this last year. Now I'm looking at getting accreditation for MS9000 which is part of the Ford suppliers Q1 award.
That man with the torche in the tunnel is walking further away each time.
Does anyone have any good hints on achieving MS9000/Q1

Regards
Alan

Why is "No, not registered to ISO 9001 or other equivalent standard" not an option? My employer is not registered and I'm danged proud of that fact. . . Besides, you have now made a biased survey, which I am sure will some how manage to be used to support ISO hoopla! :bonk:

now you've got me curious. Is quality's continueing focus on ISO hoopla, or is it the very standard itself. we all have respect of your experience, so step up to the soapbox, please.

After you,
:soap:

now you've got me curious. Is quality's continueing focus on ISO hoopla, or is it the very standard itself. we all have respect of your experience, so step up to the soapbox, please.

After you,
:soap:

Oh, I love an invite. . . But remember, you asked :agree1:

:soap:


My background is actually engineering and operations research. I went through phases of belonging to the Operations Research Society of America (too academic, not understandable) and the Association for Quality and Participation (too soft). I had been exposed to Dr. Deming's management ideas as an officer in the US Navy, and my job at the Dept of Energy Hanford site went from being hired to be a line supervisor, to developing SPC based performance indicators. I gravitated to ASQ as they did (at least in the late 90's) embrace statistics and their application.

I have NEVER worked for a "quality" department. I worked in Operations Assurance under Westinghouse, and Environment Safety and Health under Fluor at Hanford. I would characterize our quality department here as "compliance" oriented, NQA-1 and audit focused, not continual improvement. Surprisingly (or maybe not) ideas of worker involvement, continuous improvement, and performance indicators have found more of a home in an OSHA Voluntary Protection Program focused safety group.

The environmental group did go ISO 14000, and I have seen little good come of it. Again, a very compliance based focus - if I "do" ISO then I am okay, I can't be fined (or go to jail - that is an option as a government contractor).

At least under OSHA VPP we are doing the right thing. There are tenets of VPP and audits, but not so compliance based. See http://www.hanford.gov/safety/vpp/index.htm for more info on VPP.

I have related elsewhere on the Cove my father's poor experience with a South American company that basically "bought" an ISO 9001 cert, and the parts they make and sell to the USA were NOT compliant to their own procedures. ISO was only a marketing tool, a way to get into the US market and as it turned out sell questionable stuff at best.

It is the compliance mentality that I think is the problem with ISO, the instant pudding syndrome. Yes, I am not completely free of it at Hanford, but have been able to work in pockets where we are involving the workforce and doing the right thing. Yes, ISO doesn't prevent you from doing that, but I am afraid based upon anecdotal stories that it happens more often than not.

End of soapbox. :)

- Steve

Greetings,
Hopefully there are some who have the same situation and can advise how to proceed.
The ISO9001:2k package bought (from IMSM) by this small company I am consulting to, consisted of a weak Quality Manual and Procedure Manual which I am rewriting. They were audited after these manuals were in place (only Nonconformance, Internal Audit, and Corrective Action forms were included).
The audit was done by an "associated company" (QAS) which wrote up some corrections to make (basically to create and control all the associated documentation, forms, records, etc. that a small mfg company would normally use - a BIG job & my job), and were then issued a certificate which states:

"ISO 9001:2000 Registered Firm. This document certifies that the quality administration systems of Xxxx have been assessed and approved by QAS Inc to the following quality management systems, standards and guidelines: ISO 9001:2000. The approved quality administration systems apply to the following: The development and manufacture of xxxx systems."

My question is how to present this on the website and on other documents to show we are compliant with what is expressed above. This company was not informed about accreditation bodies & certified registrars, but so far has decided to go with the status quo (altho the CEO hasn't been updated as to the lack of credentials due to the fact that an accredited registrar would add another $5k to the cost and they are strugglling to keep me as is.) What would be a good oneliner for the website and to put on other documents regarding our registration?
Thanks,
Arlie

philosophy;

why is this a big deal??

if you didn't address a customer concern, that perhaps your customers don't care. If you customers Did care- wouldn't you spend the extra $$$ to make them happy (that's a business decision).

surely the company won't point out something it doesn't have. since it didn't ensure its effort were accredited it should consider the effort an internal effort to improve quality.

this doesn't offer any solutions for you, I know but it presents an interesting philosophical point; if the intent of ISO 9001 is to improve the quality why push it, much like hiring someone to handle customer complaints- it $$$ value will be reflected in a superior, more competitative product. the new standard hints at improving business processes, which I'm convinced be extremely profitable.

I am working at a company that went from qS 9000 to TS 16949. The registration audit went very well and the registrar will be back next month.