I attended a trade show last week and listened to a speech from a Ford executive talking about a new standard for heat treaters that will be required by the Big 3 called "HT2005". This is supposed to be published by AIAG in January of 2005. :mad:

I haven't heard of HT2005 but a FORD auditor told me something about them and the AIAG working on a standard audit to replace the one FORD now uses.

Could this be it?

:bonk:

I attended a trade show last week and listened to a speech from a Ford executive talking about a new standard for heat treaters that will be required by the Big 3 called "HT2005". This is supposed to be published by AIAG in January of 2005. :mad:

Quality Systems Update magazine http://www.qsuonline.com/ , August/September issue has an article on this Standard. Since it is a copyrighted material, I can not post it here, but, in a nutshell, according to the article, HT2005 is the first add-on to the ISO/TS 16949 document and is scheduled to be published early next year for heat treating suppliers and is expected to result in an additional third-party certificate.

Still, according to the article, 3rd party auditors will have to be specifically qualified for this Standard. Like you said it is supposed to be released Q1 2005

I attended a trade show last week and listened to a speech from a Ford executive talking about a new standard for heat treaters that will be required by the Big 3 called "HT2005". This is supposed to be published by AIAG in January of 2005. :mad:
Here's a little bit more information. Looks like it's coming at us, like it or not.

http://www.nsf.org/NSF-ISR/newsroom/article_ht2005.asp

This may be THE current slide show making the rounds as folks promulgate the concept of "special" audits for "special" processes.
http://mows.aiag.org/ScriptContent/at04sessions/FULL/session_display.cfm?spsession=QL04.pdf

In my career of dealing with heat treaters, I always did my own supplier approval. I was always most concerned with how they HANDLED my product from the time we dropped it off until we picked it up. The very best ones handled EVERYONE's product in a neat, orderly fashion. The one I ended up using almost exclusively was the one which was most responsive to my requests, regardless whether it was 2 in the afternoon or 2 in the morning.

In over ten years, we NEVER had a problem with "mixing" with any heat treater and when we ran across issues like "warping" I found ALL the heat treaters I dealt with to be extremely proactive in noticing, stopping the process, calling us in for joint engineering, and working out a solution to the issue.

I valued the idea they kept me informed on the status of my parts without me begging or putting restrictive covenants in my purchase orders.

Perhaps I was spoiled by such uniformly good service. I wouldn't have imagined a need for HT2005.