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Craig ,yet again, you have written an excellent piece. Your summary says it all. You know I am a fan so please keep the fantastic and informative work coming.
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Originally Posted by ccochran
Howdy, all:
Here's a new article of mine entitled "Another Look at Objectives." It is a follow-up to one I wrote for the November, 2000, issue of Quality Digest, just before ISO 9001:2000 was published. The current article is scheduled to be published in next month's issue of QD, so this an exclusive preview. I'd love to hear what you think about it. The article includes some thoughts on Deming and my angle on his support for the correct use of objectives. I expect (hope) to generate some interesting responses. Talk to you soon, Craig |
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Originally Posted by Claes Gefvenberg
Great writing as usual, Craig.
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Originally Posted by ccochran
Claes,
Great mind map! This illustrates the whole intent of the article at a glance. Do you mind if I use this graphic? Hope all is well in Sweden for you. Thanks a bunch, Craig |
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Originally Posted by Wes Bucey
Well, now you've done it, Claes! You are smarter than I am. I'm going to go sit on the deck with a margarita and sulk
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Originally Posted by Claes Gefvenberg
Great writing as usual, Craig.
/Claes |
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Originally Posted by Steve Prevette
You do start treading on some thin ice with the Deming and systems thinking folks when you assert that you should pay employees for their contribution to the goal. This is when things really start getting distorted, at least in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by ccochran
Steve and Wes,
Here's the part to focus on from my article (page 8, 2nd paragraph): "When you start to put money into everyone’s pocket as a result of meeting organizational goals, then they really get engaged. Just make sure that everyone gets the same additional compensation. No function can be claimed to have contributed more than another, so no function or person should get more benefit." The sentences in red are key. There's nothing distorted about rewarding everyone equally for helping to make the organization more successful. It's just common sense. Craig |
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Originally Posted by ccochran
If an organization went down this road, they would have to clearly define all the details of the system. Basically what I’ve described is nothing more than profit-sharing. Any thoughts? Steve—did the Great Deming have anything to say about profit sharing per se? Craig |
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Originally Posted by Steve Prevette
Yep, we're close. Perhaps the phraseology was simplified in the mind map.
[deleted for space] Thus is the whole idea of a company, the company is absorbing risk and paying me a flat rate. If my pay basically could go up or down more than a few percent each year based upon how the company did, I would personally find that more frustrating than motivating. |
Before everyone gets all political on me, this is NOT the same as socialism or communism (theoretical - not the actual kind that's been practiced in various forms for many years.) Socialism and communism often talk about EVERYONE making the same, regardless of skill or effort. Such an equal pay approach pretty much stifles incentive to become more skilled or experienced.
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Originally Posted by ccochran
Wes,
You raised some very good points. Here are my thoughts: *** Everyone in the organization would get additional compensation, not just members of a particular team or project group. *** Everyone gets the same dollar amount, regardless of their salary or wage. *** The additional compensation has to be tied to a macro measure, like profit or cash flow. *** “Free-riders” will get the additional compensation, just like everyone else. It’s the job of management, though, to identify people who need help and make sure they get it (or make sure they’re headed out the door). If an organization went down this road, they would have to clearly define all the details of the system. Basically what I’ve described is nothing more than profit-sharing. Any thoughts? Steve—did the Great Deming have anything to say about profit sharing per se? Craig |
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Originally Posted by Claes Gefvenberg
Great writing as usual, Craig.
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ISO 14001 must have been compiled by a bunch of technical environmentalists.... - struggling hard to want to the tough world to hear something....

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