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Are the TC 176 Documents on Risk Based Thinking useful to you?
Are the TC 176 Documents on Risk Based Thinking useful to you?
Are the TC 176 Documents on Risk Based Thinking useful to you?
Are the TC 176 Documents on Risk Based Thinking useful to you?
Are the TC 176 Documents on Risk Based Thinking useful to you?
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View Poll Results: Are the ISO TC176 RBT documents useful in explaining the concept of risk?
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Old 16th January 2015, 04:48 AM
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Re: Are the TC 176 Documents on Risk Based Thinking useful to you?

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<snip> all the attention will go to the ISO/TS 9002 and hopefully that won't be botched too badly.</snip>
What are you trying to say, Sidney?

Sincerely, the work of WG 23 hasn't seen the light of day yet apart from the guidance for risk based thinking.

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Old 16th January 2015, 05:53 AM
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Re: Are the TC 176 Documents on Risk Based Thinking useful to you?

I voted for the No ~~~
RBT aka prospects and consequences of every work, process and the system at large must be viewed keeping customer requirements and product quality in mind at all times. A great deal of considerations must be given to resource and infrastructure that is available on hand and considering the competence of the people involved. In particular I stress the competence because, even though people come under available resource, their measure gets hardly considered in effectiveness terms. At every such place where the consequences weigh large, they have to be brought up with potential loss estimation to the company and must be later compensated by necessary resource to showcase how such investment will directly impact on bringing down the loss estimation. The TC 176 document falls short of bringing this core risk assessment thinking into limelight. It could have done well with several better examples, under several real life scenario.
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Old 19th January 2015, 11:47 AM
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Re: Are the TC 176 Documents on Risk Based Thinking useful to you?

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I believe that the documents fall way short of providing practical, actionable and useful guidance for quality management system professionals to clearly understand what is needed to comply with ISO 9001:2015 in terms of RBT. Ditto for auditors.
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The document has one important thing!
It refers the 2 "Useful documents" at the end...
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Old 23rd January 2015, 05:06 PM
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Re: Are the TC 176 Documents on Risk Based Thinking useful to you?

Interesting conclusions in the document:
"- risk-based thinking is not new
- risk-based thinking is something you do already"


The bottom line appears to be:
- When making decisions you weigh risk/rewards based on your objectives
- You gather data from decisions and processes, and use it to gauge effectiveness and identify opportunities for improvement.

So what's new?
Does the document explain the concept of risk (according to this standard)? ya, I guess.
Is it informative/helpful/useful, though? ...definitely a "No" vote from me.
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Old 6th January 2018, 11:51 AM
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Re: Are the TC 176 Documents on Risk Based Thinking useful to you?

It is not clear enough for me.
Is somewhat confusing, in my viewpoint , it seems that, options to cross the road, are the opportunities, and I see them as mitigation actions to lower the risks.can someone clarify this point?
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Old 6th January 2018, 06:21 PM
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It is not clear enough for me.
Is somewhat confusing, in my viewpoint , it seems that, options to cross the road, are the opportunities, and I see them as mitigation actions to lower the risks.can someone clarify this point?
Another way of looking at this is to remember that our system standard mainly specifies preventive actions throughout. Very few of its clauses require inspectors or auditors to look for nonconformity after the work is done.

Having a separate clause specifying preventive action, as we had pre-2015, made no sense. It led to CAPA thinking instead of action to prevent the occurrence of failures to meet requirements.

An organization that thinks and works as a system of processes that enable its employees to get their work right the first time provides ample evidence of risk-based thinking and action. Creating FMEAs just to show auditors does not.
Thanks to John Broomfield for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
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