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Surveillance Audit of 2008 before Transition Audit to ISO 9001:2015
Surveillance Audit of 2008 before Transition Audit to ISO 9001:2015
Surveillance Audit of 2008 before Transition Audit to ISO 9001:2015
Surveillance Audit of 2008 before Transition Audit to ISO 9001:2015
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Old 12th March 2018, 02:44 PM
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Question Surveillance Audit of 2008 before Transition Audit to ISO 9001:2015

Hello all,

My company is currently certified to ISO 9001:2008, certificate is valid till Sept. 2018 with a surveillance audit due this March.

We worked on implementing ISO 9001:2015 and want to go for a transition audit directly this month but the registrar is saying that they dont have any availability in March and would come and do both Surveillance and Transition in the same week in April.

Now my question is, when I am ready for transition, why do we need to go through a surveillance audit and spend money? Did you guys have the same experience? This seems like an absolute waste of money to me.

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Satoshi

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Old 13th March 2018, 01:41 PM
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Re: Surveillance Audit of 2008 before Transition Audit to ISO 9001:2015

Most registrar have added .5 or 1.0 days to the surveillance audit just to verify that all new requirements have been met.

As far as not having enough auditors to meet your March audit dates - well, you are not alone.
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Old 13th March 2018, 01:56 PM
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Re: Surveillance Audit of 2008 before Transition Audit to ISO 9001:2015

Perfectly valid unless you want to pay twice the travel expenses for the sake of 2 separate audits. Either way you'll not be audited to 9001:2008 again.

Your surveillance will be to the new standard as will the transition
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Old 5th April 2018, 09:01 AM
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Re: Surveillance Audit of 2008 before Transition Audit to ISO 9001:2015

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Perfectly valid unless you want to pay twice the travel expenses for the sake of 2 separate audits. Either way you'll not be audited to 9001:2008 again.

Your surveillance will be to the new standard as will the transition
Hi Randy,

Sorry to dig up an old thread.

Today the Lead Assessor sent an email stating that the surveillance is for 2008 and transition is for 2015. This absolutely doesnt make any sense whatsoever to me.

Could you please clarify that it shouldn't be the case?
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Old 5th April 2018, 11:18 AM
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Re: Surveillance Audit of 2008 before Transition Audit to ISO 9001:2015

I don't know. But in the past our surveillance audit always turned into a "transition" audit when we moved to the revised standard. The old standard was essentially thrown out.
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Old 5th April 2018, 11:23 AM
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I don't know. But in the past our surveillance audit always turned into a "transition" audit when we moved to the revised standard. The old standard was essentially thrown out.
That is my experience too, just seems a waste of resources. My point was, this surveillance will be a waste once you do the transition. Registrar is saying that we can still keep the old cert if we don't pass the transition.
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Old 5th April 2018, 01:12 PM
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Re: Surveillance Audit of 2008 before Transition Audit to ISO 9001:2015

my question would be why did they do a surveillance in March when re-reg is due 6 months later?
that is very odd timing.
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Old 5th April 2018, 01:46 PM
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my question would be why did they do a surveillance in March when re-reg is due 6 months later?
that is very odd timing.
I don't get it, these planners have very little explanation on how/why they are doing the things the way they are doing.
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