AS9100 Rev C Certification and ISO 9001 with one audit for both

[quality1]

Hi all,

Our company has an Aerospace/Defense sector that brings in about 30% of our business and the rest are commercial. My GM has asked me to start planning for AS9100 Rev C for end of year only for the Aerospace/defense sector and maintain ISO for everything else. I went ahead and ask our current registrar if that would be possible. This is their reply "we can do one audit but would give you two certificates for that audit – one for AS for a specific part of your business and one for ISO to cover the remaining business based on your scope. So you would have two certificates but only have one audit".

Somehow this doesn't makse sense to me since we have to keep two quality systems in order to comply. Is there another solution or sugestion anyone can give please?

Thanks

[dsanabria]

It's ok to have two system - your money but..

Make sure that parts do not mingle or cross from one end to another - otherwise your complete working area will be reclasified.

[AndyN]

In Reply to Parent Post by quality1

Hi all,

Our company has an Aerospace/Defense sector that brings in about 30% of our business and the rest are commercial. My GM has asked me to start planning for AS9100 Rev C for end of year only for the Aerospace/defense sector and maintain ISO for everything else. I went ahead and ask our current registrar if that would be possible. This is their reply "we can do one audit but would give you two certificates for that audit – one for AS for a specific part of your business and one for ISO to cover the remaining business based on your scope. So you would have two certificates but only have one audit".

Somehow this doesn't makse sense to me since we have to keep two quality systems in order to comply. Is there another solution or sugestion anyone can give please?

Thanks

If you have two separate quality systems, then they should be audited as such, that's your request and you will pay more for it. Most businesses I encounter run one system, ISO based with the AS 9100 adders - with the result that they are audited to AS 9100 but we issue two certificates, because everything they do is one system covering both standards.
If you have separate qms for both standards and you want to spend the money, you can have two audits...

[sideoiler]

Sorry to jump off topic here, but let me start by introducing myself. My name is Chris and I recently have been put in charge of our AS9100 QMS. It is now my job to make sure we follow the procedures and stay current with all documentation, revisions, etc. Being that I am New Bee to the QA side of things, I am unclear on some of the requirements.
My question is regarding QAM revisions and whether or not that requires a QAP revision? If I recently released QA Manual Rev. D to the shop, do I need to revise the QA Procedures as well? It is a little confusing to me and i cant find anywhere that has a concrete yes or no regarding the subject. My thoughts are yes being the procedures go directly with the manual, but discussing this with my employer, he seemed to think otherwise... Any info on this would be a great help to me and my newly inherited position.

Regards,

Chris

[quality1]

Usually not unless you had include a revision to processes listed in the QA Manual or the QA manual stated a change to a certain process.

[Stijloor]

In Reply to Parent Post by sideoiler

Sorry to jump off topic here, but let me start by introducing myself. My name is Chris and I recently have been put in charge of our AS9100 QMS. It is now my job to make sure we follow the procedures and stay current with all documentation, revisions, etc. Being that I am New Bee to the QA side of things, I am unclear on some of the requirements.
My question is regarding QAM revisions and whether or not that requires a QAP revision? If I recently released QA Manual Rev. D to the shop, do I need to revise the QA Procedures as well? It is a little confusing to me and i cant find anywhere that has a concrete yes or no regarding the subject. My thoughts are yes being the procedures go directly with the manual, but discussing this with my employer, he seemed to think otherwise... Any info on this would be a great help to me and my newly inherited position.

Regards,

Chris

Chris, welcome to The Cove Forums!!

You made an interesting statement in your introduction.

It is now my job to make sure we follow the procedures and stay current with all documentation, revisions, etc.

I hope this is not true.

Nothing wrong with helping, coaching, guiding...but ensuring "following procedures" is Top Management's job.
Don't become a QMS victim...

Glad you found us, and keep sending questions....

Good luck with your project.

Stijloor.

[dsanabria]

If you look at the hierchy of documentation you will see the Quality Policy, Quality Manual, Procedures and work instructions.

Keep the QM separate from theprocedures this way you update a "1" procedure without affecting your QM. If you have combine the QM with procedures then you must update or somehow let the reader or user of the QM that there is a change and where that change is.

[sorin]

Some things just don't make any sense...for me at least.
Why keep two separate QMS?
After all AS is nothing but ISO pumped-up for Aerospace
That means that you only have to make the distinction between regular/commercial and aerospace customers/products. That is one option.

The other option (way more sensible from my point of view) would be to apply AS9100 to the whole QMS. There is nothing to lose and only to gain. This way, not only you cover AS AND ISO but you are being better prepared to deal with your processes as a whole.

Anyway, in the end, is your (company) choice.