Elsmar Cove Forum Header Graphic The Elsmar Cove Wiki Sitemap More Free Files The Elsmar Cove Forums Discussion Thread Index Post Attachments Listing Failure Modes Services and Solutions to Problems Elsmar Cove Forums Main Page Elsmar Cove Home Page
NQA-USA
Miner's MSA (Measurement Systems Analysis) Blog 
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > Common Quality Assurance Processes and Tools > Problem Solving, Root Cause Fault and Failure Analysis
Forum Username

Wooden Line

GM's RED X - Supposed to be a simple tool to find Root Cause - Page 2


Search the Elsmar Cove
Search Elsmar
Monitor the Elsmar Forum
Follow Marc & Elsmar
Elsmar Cove Forum RSS Feed  Marc Smith's Google+ Page  Marc Smith's Linked In Page   Marc Smith's Elsmar Cove YouTube Page  Marc Smith's Facebook Page  Elsmar Cove Twitter Feed
Elsmar Cove Groups
Elsmar Cove Google+ Group  Elsmar Cove LinkedIn Group  Elsmar Cove Facebook Group
Sponsor Links

Donate and $ Contributor Forum Access
Courtesy Quick Links

Links that Elsmar Cove visitors will find useful in your quest for knowledge:

Howard's
International Quality Services
Marcelo Antunes'
SQR Consulting
Bob Doering's
Correct SPC - Precision Machining

NIST's Engineering Statistics Handbook
IRCA - International Register of Certified Auditors
SAE - Society of Automotive Engineers
Quality Digest Portal
IEST - Institute of Environmental Sciences and Technology
ASQ - American Society for Quality

Related Topic Tags
general motors (gm), red x, root cause failure analysis
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rating: Thread Rating: 1 votes, 4.00 average. Display Modes
  Post Number #9  
Old 28th July 2008, 09:27 AM
Larry.Jiang

 
 
Total Posts: 24
Re: GM's RED X - Supposed to be a simple tool to find Root Cause

frankly speaking ,it's a comprehensive tool for solving problem rather than a sample tool .In my opinion there is a little complex.
I think the primary concept is that compare the WOW and BOB ,and find out the deverse then do some test .

WOW:worst of worst
BOB:best of best

I got a training before but I did't understand entirely.

Sponsored Links
  Post Number #10  
Old 9th September 2008, 01:30 PM
masterx's Avatar
masterx

 
 
Total Posts: 12
Re: GM's RED X - Supposed to be a simple tool to find Root Cause

Hello, I have the RED X Master Certification, this technique was developed by Dorian Shainin not by GM, there are several companies that uses this methodology, unfortunately there is few bibliography for reference, one book is: "World Class Quality" using design of experiment to make it happen, Keki R. Bhote & Adi K. Bhote, second edition, AMACOM.
Sponsored Links

  Post Number #11  
Old 26th January 2009, 09:18 AM
nicci

 
 
Total Posts: 1
Re: GM's RED X - Supposed to be a simple tool to find Root Cause

Hello,

I am still interested in getting information about Red X or the implementation of the Red X (or Shainin methodology) at GM. Has anyone informations about the historical development of Red X? Who has applicate it first? Wasn´t it Toyota? Is it still in use at GM? How was ist implemented at GM?

I write a master thesis about these Quality tool for Opel in germany and I am happy about all information you can give me.

Thank you very much!
  Post Number #12  
Old 26th January 2009, 09:48 PM
wmarhel

 
 
Total Posts: 641
Re: GM's RED X - Supposed to be a simple tool to find Root Cause

Quote:
In Reply to Parent Post by nicci View Post

Hello,

I am still interested in getting information about Red X or the implementation of the Red X (or Shainin methodology) at GM. Has anyone informations about the historical development of Red X? Who has applicate it first? Wasn´t it Toyota? Is it still in use at GM? How was ist implemented at GM?

I write a master thesis about these Quality tool for Opel in germany and I am happy about all information you can give me.

Thank you very much!
Go to the source: Shainin

I met Richard Shainin (son of Dorian Shainin) a few years back at a conference. Nice guy, had some interesting thoughts on problem solving. If your looking to write a thesis, I would suggest using the advanced features on Google. Either the "Scholar search" or the advanced search features. For the advanced search, use the keywords but restrict the file types returned to either PDF, DOC or PPT. It helps remove some of the garbage.

Wayne
Thanks to wmarhel for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
  Post Number #13  
Old 5th August 2009, 12:46 AM
cuteprettyone

 
 
Total Posts: 5
Re: GM's RED X - Supposed to be a simple tool to find Root Cause

I received my Journeyman certification in Shanin's Red X in 2004. I found the concept to be simpler than Six Sigma and derives the root cause in a more rapid and efficient manner. The course's location is in Michigan and is held for a week each time. The books for the course and software is provided when you attend the course. Overall, Red X is a good method and I wish more companies would incorporate it but only GM uses the method as of right now. Hope this helps
Thanks to cuteprettyone for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
  Post Number #14  
Old 19th August 2009, 03:07 AM
lhuaab

 
 
Total Posts: 2
Re: GM's RED X - Supposed to be a simple tool to find Root Cause

'Rex X' system required in GM1927-3 Supplier Quality Statement Requirement
Thanks to lhuaab for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
  Post Number #15  
Old 19th August 2009, 07:59 AM
Miner's Avatar
Miner

 
 
Total Posts: 3,597
Re: GM's RED X - Supposed to be a simple tool to find Root Cause

Here is a link to GM 1927-3.

Note that the actual requirement is "Suppliers are required to demonstrate their capability to solve complex problems using advanced problem solving techniques such as the “Red X” system at GM - AVTOVAZ." (emphasis mine).

This means alternate methods such as 8D, Six Sigma or other techniques are also acceptable.
Thanks to Miner for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
  Post Number #16  
Old 11th October 2011, 05:23 AM
johnny xu

 
 
Total Posts: 43
Re: GM's RED X - Supposed to be a simple tool to find Root Cause

in my opinion , each technology has own merit such as six sigma, Taguchi methods or Red-X.

we conducted some experiments to handle issues within company.

For instance, we utilized component search & paired comparison to identify significant factors rapidly by Red-X for solving illumination darkness of meters when worked at Calsonic Kansei. The tools are simple and efficient. To compare some difference between WOW &BOB.

We adopt Taguchi methods to decrease NTF rate at ICT station. Just you said , to utilize parameters design to calculate S/N ratio, two-step adjustment. You’d consider adding noise factors. To implement Taguchi , it takes a lot of time to conduct experiments.

Sampling size is so large, you need to understand advanced statistical knowledge. In brief , time is so long.


What’s more I read some Red-X cases about GM, I recommend you master some tools.
Thanks to johnny xu for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
Reply

Lower Navigation Bar
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > Common Quality Assurance Processes and Tools > Problem Solving, Root Cause Fault and Failure Analysis

Do you find this discussion thread helpful and informational?


Bookmarks


Visitors Currently Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 Registered Visitors (Members) and 1 Unregistered Guest Visitors)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Forum Search
Display Modes Rate Thread Content
Rate Thread Content:

Forum Posting Settings
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Discussion Threads
Discussion Thread Title Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post or Poll Vote
Is the first piece inspection method supposed to be in the Control Plan? Pudge Inspection, Prints (Drawings), Testing, Sampling and Related Topics 18 10th October 2012 02:07 AM
5S Red Tag and ISO Procedure Red Tag - Tag Color Conflict Rochy Documentation Control Systems, Procedures, Forms and Templates 7 1st December 2011 02:52 PM
Simple Quality Maturity Assessment Tool needed AZ Texas ISO 13485 and ISO 14969 - Medical Devices - Quality Management Systems 4 27th April 2010 01:34 AM
Who are supposed to be the auditees/auditors in a small organization? cmfugen ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 - Questions and Discussions 9 1st April 2008 03:43 PM
Simple Customer Satisfaction Tool qualitygoddess - 2010 Registered Visitor Articles Archive 3 7th October 2004 07:51 AM



The time now is 04:46 PM. All times are GMT -4.
Your time zone can be changed in your UserCP --> Options.


   


Marc Timothy Smith - Elsmar.com
8466 LeSourdsville-West Chester Road, Olde West Chester, Ohio 45069-1929
513 341-6272
NOTE: This forum uses "cookies".
no new posts