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Old 4th May 2012, 09:43 AM
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Question Safety Special Equipment (e.g. lift, boiler) shall be audited by ISO 9001?

Safety special equipment, like lift, boiler and so on, must be audited during ISO 9001 certification?
If so, which clause is applicable for this ?

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Safety special equipment, like lift, boiler and so on, must be audited during ISO 9001 certification?
If so, which clause is applicable for this ?

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Those things are generally auditable only if you've included them in the scope of your QMS.
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Old 4th May 2012, 11:03 AM
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Re: Safety Special Equipment (e.g. lift, boiler) shall be audited by ISO 9001?

Typically, these items would NOT be covered under an ISO 9001 certification audit because they are, for the most part, outside of the scope of the QMS.

I suggest you read very carefully section 0.4 of ISO 9001:2008, and this should become clearer.
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Old 4th May 2012, 11:18 AM
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Safety special equipment, like lift, boiler and so on, must be audited during ISO 9001 certification?
If so, which clause is applicable for this ?

Thanks Jelly
IF those equipment form part of the infrastructure needed to achieve conformity to product requirements, they must be audited under 6.3.

BTW why do you classify Lift and boilers as 'safety specific' equipment? IMO, they are (part of the) process equipment.
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Safety special equipment, like lift, boiler and so on, must be audited during ISO 9001 certification?
If so, which clause is applicable for this ?

Thanks Jelly
Hi Jelly.
There can be several other equipment like the example you have stated which can cause a safety concern when not operated in the right way. Your example and such many more are the service equipment and you may have many more process equipment in your organization, typical for the products you make. These may also have specific guards for safety and safe operating methods. Lifts and boilers will fall under some statutory where you have to get them certified from approved authorities within your own country / region's industrial or factory act.
As a factory in legal operation, you may have been covered under these, but an ISO9001 audit scope does not encompass these requirements. Within the requirement of "Provide and maintain infrastructure" (clause 6.3), if you cover safety of infrastructure within your QMS, you will audit (or be audited) to assess how safety is provided.

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IF those equipment form part of the infrastructure needed to achieve conformity to product requirements, they must be audited under 6.3.

BTW why do you classify Lift and boilers as 'safety specific' equipment? IMO, they are (part of the) process equipment.
Only if they affect 'conformity to product requirements'.
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