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I hope this is the right forum..
My problem thus far in using Elsmar is looking at outdated information on here, somehow thinking it is still relevant. I posted to an old thread last time:
A2LA vs. NADCAP - Could someone explain the differences?
but think better to begin a new one so the information is easier to find for anyone wondering the same as me, and also those who DO know the answer will notice by the thread title.
ISO/IEC 17025 Registrars - I'm confused about "accredited" registrars for ISO 17025
indicated that PJLA was not an ILAC signatory - and I was at first going with that info, however since that post they have become one.
http://www.ilac.org/membersbycategory.html
Daniel Walker who was helpful said
Then there is the whole Perry Johnson Reputation thread
PJR (Perry Johnson) Reputation - What is it? Is it deserved?
of which the last post was 2007 - outdated??
My problem thus far in using Elsmar is looking at outdated information on here, somehow thinking it is still relevant. I posted to an old thread last time:
A2LA vs. NADCAP - Could someone explain the differences?
but think better to begin a new one so the information is easier to find for anyone wondering the same as me, and also those who DO know the answer will notice by the thread title.
ISO/IEC 17025 Registrars - I'm confused about "accredited" registrars for ISO 17025
indicated that PJLA was not an ILAC signatory - and I was at first going with that info, however since that post they have become one.
http://www.ilac.org/membersbycategory.html
Daniel Walker who was helpful said
Along those lines, Perry Johnson does both 9001 and 17025 assessments. How is this possible. Wasn't NQA kept out of ILAC a few years ago for doing both? This was before my time, so I'm not familiar with the whole story.
Then there is the whole Perry Johnson Reputation thread
PJR (Perry Johnson) Reputation - What is it? Is it deserved?
of which the last post was 2007 - outdated??
Perry Johnson Inc says:
http://www.pji.com/iso_standards.htm#isoiec17025
ISO/IEC 17025 accreditation is a more thorough process than ISO 9000 registration because it recognizes a laboratory’s competence to produce technically valid results as well as its QMS conformance. When a laboratory is part of a larger facility, ISO/IEC 17025 accreditation can occur at the same time as ISO 9000, QS-9000 or ISO/TS 16949 registration if the auditor is working for both an accreditation body and a registrar.
http://www.pji.com/iso_standards.htm#isoiec17025
Perry Johnson Labs says:
A company built upon a solid 15-year foundation in quality, PJLA knows the field of laboratory quality and thoroughly understands the assessment and accreditation process.
http://www.pjlabs.com/aboutPJLA.htmPJLA was founded by Perry L. Johnson, one of the world's top experts and authors on ISO 9000 and a leading educator on the theories and practices of Total Quality Management. Early on, Mr. Johnson's United Kingdom affiliates were instrumental in formulating and implementing the ISO 9000 standards. Based on its heritage, its vast experience in the field of laboratory accreditation, and the expertise of its assessment staff, PJLA is destined to become one of the largest and most respected accreditation bodies in the United States.
With the recognized support of international organizations, our firm will be able to provide tremendous marketing and business advantages to our accredited laboratories, especially those with foreign business interests. A laboratory in Tokyo, for example, could accept test results from a laboratory in Cleveland knowing that both companies are assessed using parallel accreditation systems.
Does anyone have any further information on this?
I'm not seeing PJLA and PJI actually connect their websites together in any way.....?
Are we focusing on the wrong thing by wanting to have 9001 and 17025 done at the same time to avoid the double audit on the lab arm of the business?
Are there other options besides Perry Johnson to have the same auditor for 9001&17025 to avoid duplication?
What is the current/2009 Perry Johnson reputation?
PJLA is internationally recognized through ILAC... which means something for their reputation, right?... is PJI also internationally recognized on the same level to certify for 9001? This is not as clear to me... perhaps because it requires more digging - connecting the chain and I haven't had any caffeine yet today.
I'm not seeing PJLA and PJI actually connect their websites together in any way.....?
Are we focusing on the wrong thing by wanting to have 9001 and 17025 done at the same time to avoid the double audit on the lab arm of the business?
Are there other options besides Perry Johnson to have the same auditor for 9001&17025 to avoid duplication?
What is the current/2009 Perry Johnson reputation?
PJLA is internationally recognized through ILAC... which means something for their reputation, right?... is PJI also internationally recognized on the same level to certify for 9001? This is not as clear to me... perhaps because it requires more digging - connecting the chain and I haven't had any caffeine yet today.
Sorry about the unclickable links... I'm still a newbie poster... though I've been trying to glean info from these forums for a while now.
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