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Angelika
Hello,
I wonder if you can help me with your opinion or experience on the following:
Recently I had a discussion with a quality manager whose company is in the 9100-approval process (design and manufacture). The discussion was about two main topics:
Topic 1:
A 9100-approved company audits their subcontractors: Is this a first or second party audit?
Topic 2:
Is there a requirement for a special education for auditors who audit their suppliers or is a general internal auditing training sufficent?
EN ISO 19001:2002, 3 terms and definitions includes two notes on internal and external audits:
Note 1: Internal audits, sometimes called first-party audits, are conducted by, or on behalf of, the organiszation itself for management review and other internal purposes, and may form the basis for an organization's self-declaration of conformity.........
Note 2: External audits include those generally termed second- and third party audits. Second-party audits are conducted by parties having an interest in the organization, such as customers, or by other persons on their behalf..............
In my opinion, any audit performed by the organization itself - no matter, if internal or with their subcontractors - is a first party audit and may be performed by a person who has undergone an internal auditor training.
A second party audit would be an audit that my customer performs in my company.
What do you think?
Thanks a lot for any reply!
Angelika
I wonder if you can help me with your opinion or experience on the following:
Recently I had a discussion with a quality manager whose company is in the 9100-approval process (design and manufacture). The discussion was about two main topics:
Topic 1:
A 9100-approved company audits their subcontractors: Is this a first or second party audit?
Topic 2:
Is there a requirement for a special education for auditors who audit their suppliers or is a general internal auditing training sufficent?
EN ISO 19001:2002, 3 terms and definitions includes two notes on internal and external audits:
Note 1: Internal audits, sometimes called first-party audits, are conducted by, or on behalf of, the organiszation itself for management review and other internal purposes, and may form the basis for an organization's self-declaration of conformity.........
Note 2: External audits include those generally termed second- and third party audits. Second-party audits are conducted by parties having an interest in the organization, such as customers, or by other persons on their behalf..............
In my opinion, any audit performed by the organization itself - no matter, if internal or with their subcontractors - is a first party audit and may be performed by a person who has undergone an internal auditor training.
A second party audit would be an audit that my customer performs in my company.
What do you think?
Thanks a lot for any reply!
Angelika