Why the majority prefer to call each passage of ISO 9001 a ?clause??

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Polly Pure Bread

Why the majority prefer to call each passage of ISO 9001 a ‘clause’?

Why majority do prefers to call each passage of ISO 9001 a ‘clause’ despite that the term never mentioned in the standard itself? Why not section, article, phrase, paragraph, etc.? They call it ‘element’ in the old version of ISO standards.

I know that this is a stupid question, I’m just curious.
 
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Craig H.

Re: Why majority do prefers to call each passage of ISO 9001 a ‘clause’?

Why majority do prefers to call each passage of ISO 9001 a ‘clause’ despite that the term never mentioned in the standard itself? Why not section, article, phrase, paragraph, etc.? They call it ‘element’ in the old version of ISO standards.

I know that this is a stupid question, I’m just curious.

Hi! This is a wild guess, but I think it comes from the use of the word "clause" to describe a section or statement in a contract. I am sure that the use of the word is not world wide, and any of the other terms you use would certainly work.

We have a phrase here in the U.S.: "When in Rome, do as the Romans do", and it applies to this. In your group of colleagues, use what they use.

Hope this helps.
 
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ralphsulser

Re: Why majority do prefers to call each passage of ISO 9001 a ‘clause’?

I think it is a bit of "legalese" injected by phrases used by lawyers. The U.S.A. is known as a nation of litigaters. :rolleyes:

I agree with Craig, use whatever your peers understand. I prefer "section" myself.
 

Randy

Super Moderator
Re: Why majority do prefers to call each passage of ISO 9001 a ‘clause’?

Quite simple

clause–noun 1. Grammar. a syntactic construction containing a subject and predicate and forming part of a sentence or constituting a whole simple sentence.
2. a distinct article or provision in a contract, treaty, will, or other formal or legal written document.

Origin:
1175–1225; ME claus(e) (< AF) < ML clausa, back formation from L clausula
 
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db

Re: Why majority do prefers to call each passage of ISO 9001 a ‘clause’?

I think they also wanted to get away from the "elements" of the older version. They needed a new word, and it was around Christmas time, and they were thinking about santa, and well...... okay, maybe not that last part.
 
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ralphsulser

Re: Why majority do prefers to call each passage of ISO 9001 a ‘clause’?

I think they also wanted to get away from the "elements" of the older version. They needed a new word, and it was around Christmas time, and they were thinking about santa, and well...... okay, maybe not that last part.



Very good Dave :biglaugh:
 
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Jeff Frost

Re: Why majority do prefers to call each passage of ISO 9001 a ‘clause’?

Why majority do prefers to call each passage of ISO 9001 a ‘clause’ despite that the term never mentioned in the standard itself? Why not section, article, phrase, paragraph, etc.? They call it ‘element’ in the old version of ISO standards.

I know that this is a stupid question, I’m just curious.

Actually the use of the term “Clause” is mentioned in Clause 0.2, Process Approach and Clause 1.2, Application.
 
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neelu

Re: Why majority do prefers to call each passage of ISO 9001 a ‘clause’?

Any provision in a national or international standard is termed as a 'clause' according to a practice universally accepted by 'standard-makers' or 'code-makers'. Also if you go by the definition provided by Randy, the term really holds good ony if the standard is a pert of an agreement/contract with the supplier or customer . Of course, if conformance to the national or international standard has been made mandatory through orders of Government or statutory bodies, the term "clause", I guess, automatically applies.
 
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RJFisher

Re: Why majority do prefers to call each passage of ISO 9001 a ‘clause’?

I think they also wanted to get away from the "elements" of the older version. They needed a new word, and it was around Christmas time, and they were thinking about santa, and well...... okay, maybe not that last part.

:lmao::cool:
 
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Rinascimento

Re: Why majority do prefers to call each passage of ISO 9001 a ‘clause’?

Me too :lmao: :cool:

This isn't an explanation, but if you look at the basic ISO templates pack from the ISO site then a clause is just one of a large number of elements in a standard, of which the following is a subset:

Annex
Bibliography
Clause
Definition
Displayed mathematical and chemical formulae
Example
Figure
Figure footnote
Footnote
Foreword
Index
Introduction
List
 
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