TS16949 vs. TPS (Toyota Production System) - Explaining the differences

1frenchie said:

..Management having come from previous facilities is not familiar with either practice but believes that the Quality Management system versus Business System are in conflict with each other.

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1frenchie said:

Imagine a new factory where the sister facilities have been in operation for over 20years each and all have their ISO certification.
The new facility is to launch with TS16949 certification and with TPS.

Management having come from previous facilities is not familiar with either practice but believes that the Quality Management system versus Business System are in conflict with each other.

I have a nice hole in the wall of my office where my head has banged against it while trying to explain the different approaches, strengths, and complimentary requirements of both systems. All without success.

I am turning to this group to see if anyone has some additional ideas, ppt's, or article's that i can reference for my next round of discussions.

Thank you in advance,

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1frenchie said:

Funny you mention a consultant, we had one come in last week for a generic review of TS for our management team and a detailed course for the process owners.

He walked away after three days shaking his head and wishing me luck.

Did i mention that our plant manager was from EU so we also have the mindset and cultural issues to deal with.

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1frenchie said:

Ahh you got me on the Talented part, his magic show did lack a little bit of pizzaz.
EU = Europe (specifically Netherlands/Belgium area)

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AndyN said:

Aha, then you need the talents of our friend Jan - Stijloor - Roovers - he speaks the language (we have a couple of others here too from those great countries) and will know how to persuade them......

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1frenchie said:

Imagine a new factory where the sister facilities have been in operation for over 20years each and all have their ISO certification.
The new facility is to launch with TS16949 certification and with TPS.

Management having come from previous facilities is not familiar with either practice but believes that the Quality Management system versus Business System are in conflict with each other.

I have a nice hole in the wall of my office where my head has banged against it while trying to explain the different approaches, strengths, and complimentary requirements of both systems. All without success.

I am turning to this group to see if anyone has some additional ideas, ppt's, or article's that i can reference for my next round of discussions.

Thank you in advance,

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Jim Wynne said:

This is the Toyota Production System, wherein the originator, Toyota, has never seen a need to associate itself with TS16949. On the other hand we have the American automotive industry which has hitched its wagon to the 16949 "star" and is now in the process of self-destruction. Oil and water, if you ask me.

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