Purchasing clarification - Processes with indirect influence on product delivery

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dayopt

Hi everybody,

This is my first time posting a question and I would like some of your advice regarding purchasing.

I work as an engineering analyst at a small computer simulation firm, we specialise in simulation consultancy, software sales and training. I was made QMS leader 2 months ago based on my suggestions to improve company processes and documentation during my last employee review . We are aiming for ISO9001 accreditation. I have progressed through most of the ISO requirements but have hit a block with regards to what purchases need defining. For instance we purchase computers tailor made for the type of simulations we do and from what I can see they play a direct role to our design and development processes, no computers no simulation, but should I also define the processes that do not directly influence product delivery i.e. ordering lunch for companies during training? Could anyone provide guidance on the best way to tackle purchasing

:thanx:

Aaron
 
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Ted Schmitt

Re: Purchasing clarification

Hi everybody,

This is my first time posting a question and I would like some of your advice regarding purchasing.

I work as an engineering analyst at a small computer simulation firm, we specialise in simulation consultancy, software sales and training. I was made QMS leader 2 months ago based on my suggestions to improve company processes and documentation during my last employee review . We are aiming for ISO9001 accreditation. I have progressed through most of the ISO requirements but have hit a block with regards to what purchases need defining. For instance we purchase computers tailor made for the type of simulations we do and from what I can see they play a direct role to our design and development processes, no computers no simulation, but should I also define the processes that do not directly influence product delivery i.e. ordering lunch for companies during training? Could anyone provide guidance on the best way to tackle purchasing

:thanx:

Aaron

Welcome to the Cove Aaron !

No, you do not need to go that "deep" into purchasing to have to control the lunch served during training. Focus on your core business which is simulations. If the computers purchased to perform these simulations than yes, the correct specs sent to the manufacturer is very important. What exactly is your product ? the software simulation or the software simulation + the computers?
 

Stijloor

Leader
Super Moderator
Re: Purchasing clarification

Hi everybody,

This is my first time posting a question and I would like some of your advice regarding purchasing.

I work as an engineering analyst at a small computer simulation firm, we specialise in simulation consultancy, software sales and training. I was made QMS leader 2 months ago based on my suggestions to improve company processes and documentation during my last employee review . We are aiming for ISO9001 accreditation. I have progressed through most of the ISO requirements but have hit a block with regards to what purchases need defining. For instance we purchase computers tailor made for the type of simulations we do and from what I can see they play a direct role to our design and development processes, no computers no simulation, but should I also define the processes that do not directly influence product delivery i.e. ordering lunch for companies during training? Could anyone provide guidance on the best way to tackle purchasing

:thanx:

Aaron

Hello Aaron! Welcome to The Cove Forums! :bigwave: :bigwave:

The purchasing clause applies only to products and services that have a direct impact on the goods and services that you provide to your customers. This clause does not apply to office supplies, lunches, etc.

Good luck with your ISO 9001:2008 implementation.

Stijloor.
 

Colin

Quite Involved in Discussions
Re: Purchasing clarification

Aaron, welcome to the Cove.

You are spot on with your analysis of the situation regarding purchasing. Clause 7.4.1 states '... The type and extent of control applied to the supplier and the purchased product shall be dependent upon the effect of the purchased product on subsequent product realisation or the final product'

So no, you don't have to include the people who supply lunch on your training courses (unless I am delivering the training of course ... :lmao:)

Don't forget to consider any service providers too e.g. if you outsource training to someone else, they should be considered as a supplier. Good luck.
 
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dayopt

Re: Purchasing clarification

[FONT=&quot]Thank you for the quick responses, commonsense is a beautiful thing [/FONT]
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@ted, No the product is strictly consultancy.


One more question....How does purchasing relate to ISO clause 4.1?. i know it dictates outsourced processes(I have listed our software supplier who are indeed ISO controlled) but and I know the computers are simply are a part of the infrastructure support but should the company who supplies us with computers also be ISO accredited or is it simply sufficient to verify and validate the equipment when it arrives


[/FONT] Aaron





 
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dayopt

appologies for the shrinking text i'm experiencing newbie difficulties
 
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Ted Schmitt

Re: Purchasing clarification

[FONT=&quot]Thank you for the quick responses, commonsense is a beautiful thing [/FONT]
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@ted, No the product is strictly consultancy.


One more question....How does purchasing relate to ISO clause 4.1?. i know it dictates outsourced processes(I have listed our software supplier who are indeed ISO controlled) but and I know the computers are simply are a part of the infrastructure support but should the company who supplies us with computers also be ISO accredited or is it simply sufficient to verify and validate the equipment when it arrives


[/FONT] Aaron






If you outsouce a process, the standard requires you to define the controls (and control) it... the fact of them being or not ISO certified would in my opinion be a requirement for initial qualification as a supplier and not a means of controlling an outsourced process. If you for example outsourced a certain part of the simulations then this would be applicable to you (and you would have to define and control this process).
 
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Ted Schmitt

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but and I know the computers are simply are a part of the infrastructure support but should the company who supplies us with computers also be ISO accredited or is it simply sufficient to verify and validate the equipment when it arrives

That´s entirely up to you. It would be part of what criteria you establish for qualifying your suppliers 7.4.1 par 2. Them being ISO certified or not, you would still need to perform 7.4.3 (incoming inspection)
 
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dayopt

Right i think i have a clearer understanding what is required cheers guys

:thanx:

Aaron
 

Stijloor

Leader
Super Moderator
Re: Purchasing clarification

That´s entirely up to you. It would be part of what criteria you establish for qualifying your suppliers 7.4.1 par 2. Them being ISO certified or not, you would still need to perform 7.4.3 (incoming inspection)

Ted,

The standard provides more options, other that just "incoming/receiving inspection." "Verification of purchased product" can be accomplished in different ways. It depends on the level of confidence you have in the supplier.

Stijloor.
 
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