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Please Help! AS9102 FAI - Detail vs Assembly FAI (Form 1, Box 13)

Can anyone explain what is the difference between "DETAILED FAI" and "ASSEMBLY FAI" which is required to selecet on Form 1, Box 13?

We make wire harnesses, we use standard catalog parts like contacts, connectors, backshells.

We assemble these parts and make wire harness.

So, when we perform an FAI on wire harness is it detailed or assembly FAI?

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Re: AS9102 FAI - Detail vs Assembly FAI (Form 1, Box 13)

"We assemble these parts and make wire harness"
If all you are doing is putting the component parts together and are not modifying them from their published catalog data you are dealing with an assembly FAI.
Now say you are modifying a purchased component (catalog item) you are going to perform a FAI on the modification you performed you are now dealing with a detail FAI.

For the wire harnes example say you purchase wire and conectors and such. Now from the spool of wire you cut off a 1 ft length +/- .35 inch - per print- and strip the insulation off of the ends .25 inchs +/- .010 and then crimp the pin on and ensure that it has the required pull of strength.
This prepared section of wire that will go into your harness is a detailed part since there is variable data to check for compliamnce to design.

When you put 5 of these into the conector you now have an assembly since there is no variable data to check other than you have the correct componets.
Yes this is a bit simplified since there may be specific requirements for the fabrication of the conector such as typicaly a color code or wire size in a specific conector location but you get the idea I hope.
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Re: AS9102 FAI - Detail vs Assembly FAI (Form 1, Box 13)

Thanks. Your commnet gives me a direction.
Just one thing, although we crimp the contacts, shrink the components we can verify all of them on assembled wire harness, including pull tests etc.

So, I think we can perform an assembly FAI and cover everything?
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Re: AS9102 FAI - Detail vs Assembly FAI (Form 1, Box 13)

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Can anyone explain what is the difference between "DETAILED FAI" and "ASSEMBLY FAI" which is required to selecet on Form 1, Box 13?

We make wire harnesses, we use standard catalog parts like contacts, connectors, backshells.

We assemble these parts and make wire harness.

So, when we perform an FAI on wire harness is it detailed or assembly FAI?
DETAILED FAI = 1 product
ASSEMBLY FAI = Many product

If you do not manufacture any single product and all you do is purchase many products to make an assembly then check - ASSEMBLY FAI.
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