How to defferentiate the monitoring and measurement? Also,the differences between the monitoring devices and measuring devices?
Why would you want to differentiate between the two types?How to differentiate the monitoring and measurement? Also,the differences between the monitoring devices and measuring devices?
Why would you want to differentiate between the two types?
Nope! I think you are giving standard writers credit for too much subtlety. The reason for listing 2 types is probably so people are aware that both types have to be managed - there is no distinction written in to standard requirements for how you deal with each 'type' if your 'monitoring' equipment is used to 'measure.'9001 & 16949 mention both in 7.6, so there must be a need to make the distinction, eh?
I'm not sure what your test equipment is doing - perhaps you can enlighten us. Certainly if the pressure gauge is not used as part of a measurement activity then it doesn't have to be calibrated but I'm still not sure what this equipment is doing and how that relates to the monitoring / measuring question.Main reason that comes to my mind is to avoid spending money needlessly on controls (e.g. calibration) for items that simply monitor a process. We have some test equipment that uses hydraulics. A pressure gauge is installed, but we don't have it calibrated as it is not related to measurement of the final product. (or even components)
Nope! I think you are giving standard writers credit for too much subtlety. The reason for listing 2 types is probably so people are aware that both types have to be managed - there is no distinction written in to standard requirements for how you deal with each 'type' if your 'monitoring' equipment is used to 'measure.'
The equipment has a hydraulic arm that moves in and out for a product-specific destructive test. The pressure gauge is there to monitor the pressure in case it should fail to operate correctly.I'm not sure what your test equipment is doing - perhaps you can enlighten us. Certainly if the pressure gauge is not used as part of a measurement activity then it doesn't have to be calibrated but I'm still not sure what this equipment is doing and how that relates to the monitoring / measuring question.
OK. Here's the nub. What monitoring equipment is there out there that doesn't measure? I can't think of an example.True, the standards mention both to indicate that both have to be managed. Then stated is that, "...where necessary to ensure valid results, measuring equipment shall..." (emphasis added). These requirements do not relate to monitoring equipment.
So would you class this equipment as monitoring equipment? Are there any criteria for the destructive test that require measurement such as the gauge pressure at point of failure?The equipment has a hydraulic arm that moves in and out for a product-specific destructive test. The pressure gauge is there to monitor the pressure in case it should fail to operate correctly.
Let's say we've making a valve in a factory, and we have to measure the pressure that the relief opens at. We would want to use a pressure gauge as well, but this is a calibrated measuring device.
Again if the great and good from the cove can give them a steer as what we mean by the two terms then all well and good.On the whole, managers should understand what in their process is being monitored and what is being measured, don't you agree?
There is, however, still a clause 7.6 about what you do with monitoring and measuring equipment. The debate we are having here isFriends,
Once upon a time (pre-2000) when the standards writers were working to take the manufacturing bias out of the standard, there was a pesky term "inspection and test" (remember?). ISO 9001:2000 had to be made "generic and applicable to all types of organizations...."
The term that was coined is now called "monitoring and measurement." Simply because if you consider for example a service, that activity is not "inspected and tested" similar to a piece of hardware. So if you look at it from that angle, it all makes sense. No need to make it more complicated. Let common sense prevail!
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