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Did you mean a separate code for the template and another for filled-out form?
yes.. could you help me with this? do you know other companies doing the same thing?

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I mean it is not mandatory to write masterlist of quality records and have QR control codes interfaced with documents, procedures, and other records in this masterlist.

You are right the identification is requirement. But not mandatory in masterlist of records. There are many ways to do this.
Since it is not mandatory to have QR control codes in the masterlist, what other ways can we answer the observation cited by our auditor? like to address his issue on records "identification"?
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Re: Quality Records (qr) Control Codes

For the first time I hear about a separate code for the template and another for filled-out form. Why this is needed? What is the purpose?
Is this observation a nonconformity? If it is not, and it is just a recommendation you have right to not conduct it. If this is a nonconformity, please provide us the exact text.
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Hi Keres

Please explain, Is not mandatory the identification, 4.2.4 Control of Records?

"The organization shall establish a documented procedure to define the controls needed for the identification,storage, protection, retrieval, retention and disposition of records."

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This is another bit of obscure language in the standard. In this context, "identification" is widely construed to mean that records have to be marked or individually identified somehow. What it actually means is that what records must be kept must be determined. In this case the auditor is wrong, wrong, wrong.
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Re: Quality Records (qr) Control Codes

in order to manage all records or forms better, you should be create some number for these forms

the code rule can be conduct according to various OP or WI code or dept code
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