ISO 17025 & Guide 25 are being rewritten to include ISO 9001 requirements

[Marc]

Anyone have any info on ISO17025? This is from:

There is some info here: www.quametec.com

To paraphrase:

ARE YOU READY for TOMORROWS' REQUIREMENTS?

Did you know ISO Guide 25 is being rewritten to include ISO9002 requirements? It is scheduled to be released as ISO17025 in the first quarter of 1999. We are following its development and will be reporting news as it becomes available to us.

[This message has been edited by Marc Smith (edited 24 April 2000).]

[Marc]

From Don Winton:

I recently found the document "ISO/DIS 17025 – GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COMPETENCE OF TESTING AND CALIBRATION LABORATORIES." This document is a draft version of a replacement for ISO Guide 25 (News to me). It was stated that the comment period had expired (Dec. 3).

Has anyone else heard of this?

Regards,
Don

[Marc]

Don,

Do you have paper or pdf?

[Don Winton]

Marc,

It is Word 6.0. I will forward under e-mail later today.

Regards,
Don

[Marc]

Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:50:31 -0500
From: Lynne
To: Greg Gogates
Subject: Re: ISO17025 Update (ISO 17025)

The task groups drafting committee of 4 have just had our meeting to wade through the 123 pages of comments. I think we did a marvelous job, but then I would, wouldn't I. The comments were quite similar in nature and we were able to incorporate all of the critical issues.

The full Working Group 10 meeting will be held 30-31 March, and we will hash out the changes. The document should then be released for vote sometime in the summer. This will be a thumbs up or thumbs down vote, and if the working group has done a good job it should be approved. Hopefully, to be released in the beginning of 2000. I will try to keep the list up-to-date.

Lynne

[This message has been edited by Marc Smith (edited 04-05-99).]

[Marc]

Subject: ISO/DIS 17025 Release
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:03:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Greg Gogates

FDIS17025 Voting Delay There has been some delay in language translation and distribution of the official version for voting by the CASCO membership. Although the English version of the final draft was widely available in May, the distribution wasn't completed until early September. The simple yes/no vote casting formalities are understood to take place in mid-November and final publication as ISO17025 seems unlikely before January-February 2000.

Greg

[This message has been edited by Marc Smith (edited 23 October 1999).]

[Marc]

Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:24:07 -0400
From: John Locke - jlockewv@intrepid.net
To: Greg Gogates - iso25@fasor.com
Subject: The latest on ISO 10012: Fw: Meeting Notice

Dear Greg,

This is being forwarded to you upon the inquiry of Paul Chamberlain. To my way of thinking, this is an attempt by TC 176 to set us a laboratory evaluation procedure that will ignore ISO 17025. The whole project should be scuttled.

I will probably get complaints from Dan Harper if you distribute this, and particularly if someone sends some well worded remarks to Dan. TC 176 like to use a small group to develop requirements which are difficult or impossible to change when everyone being affected by them see them. but I say press on. Maybe everyone believes that this standard is much better than ISO 17025.

John

[Marc]

A little history...

Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:15:52 -0400
From: John Locke
Subject: Re: ISO 10012 RE1

Talk about getting things mixed up!! Charles Gortakowski has done it royally.

MIL SPEC 45662A was replaced by ANSI/NCSL Z540.1, which is based on ISO Guide 25. In fact, they are so closely aligned that the rest of the world, although using Guide 25 for the accreditation of calibration laboratories, accepts accreditation to Z540.1. ISO 10012 has never had any affiliation with Guide 25 or with ISO CASCO which was responsible for Guide 25. !0012 is a document generated by ISO TC 176, the Quality bunch who have refused to recognized Guide 25 as the appropriate document to use in establishing the quality of a calibration laboratory. 10012 is a much less rigorous document than Guide 15 and now ISO 17025, its replacement. In 10012 is even says that for those laboratories that cannot meet the requirements of Guide 25, 10012 would be OK (paraphrased). Please, Charles, a little research would help keeping others from confusion.

John
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Gogates
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 4:54 PM
Subject: ISO 10012 RE1


> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:22:56 -0400
> From: "gortakowski, charles" www.daytontbrown.com
> To: 'Greg Gogates'
> Subject: RE: ISO 10012
>
> Since you asked, and I always give more then needed. Please see below for some information I just wanted to pass along, a little calibration history.

> MIL-STD-45662A is a Military Standard for Calibration Systems Requirements. This was one of the first standards used to establish calibration requirements. This helped ensure that everyone was being approved to the same level. It was canceled on February 27, 1995 and replaced by ISO 10012-1, International Standard for Quality assurance requirements for measuring equipment. The first edition was released on 01/15/1992 and then corrected and reprinted on 01/05/1993. ISO 10012-2 is the second part of this specification. ANSI/NCSL Z540-1-1994 is the American National Standard for Calibration - Calibration Laboratories and Measuring and Test Equipment General Requirements. All management systems will require that a manufacturer or a testing laboratory be supported by a documented calibration system using one of the above mentioned calibration systems.

> ISO 10012-1 would be the second best document for a calibration laboratory to use. It has most of the requirements of ANSI/NCSL Z540-1-1994, but does not cover all of the requirements as in depth as ANSI/NCSL Z540-1-1994. ISO 10012-1 can also be used for a calibration laboratory. One area that is better addressed by 10012-1 is the setting of calibration intervals. This additional information is very informative and helpful when setting the calibration interval. ISO 10012-1 should not be used alone. It should be used with ISO 10012-2, Quality assurance for measuring equipment. ISO/IEC Guide 25, guidelines for control of measurement processes, should also be used. One of these specifications should be used to support the Quality System. ISO/IEC Guide 25 will be replaced very soon with ISO 17025. ANSI/NCSL Z540-1-1994 is also supported by a Handbook, which is very well documented. >
>
> I was not aware that there was a new release yet, it may just be in the
draft form from 1999.
>
> I hope this helps a little, but this is all just my opinion.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: ISO 10012
> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:34:12 -0300
> From: Mariana Cestona
> Subject: ISO 10012
>
> Could someone tell me wich is the state of art of ISO 10012 ?
> I have a draft from september 1999.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Mariana Cestona