HT2005 - New AIAG Standard for Heat Treating?

[Tom W]

Has anyone heard of a new AIAG standard that relates to heat treating? My understanding is that it is called HT2005 and would be required registration for heat treaters that supply the big three in addition to TS. Young Kim from FORD STA was talking about it and said it is coming soon. I have not heard anything about this from any other source.

Any info on this would be appreciated. My understanding is that the big three got together to work on this and had the AIAG involved. I saw nothing on their website. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

[Al Rosen]

See this thread
http://Elsmar.com/Forums/showthread....ghlight=ht2005

[Sidney Vianna]

Tom W - I had left you a message to check that thread. Check here

[Tom W]

Thanks - I knew after I wrote the thread that I should have first done a search - when will I ever learn???

Thanks.

[rdunnam]

I am a bit dismayed that the Big 3 think we need yet another heat treating standard to work to! I am in QA for a commerical heat treater that is already Ford W-HTX approved, does other work for Chrysler, Volvo, Freightliner, etc. and the vast preponderance of requirements makes it tough for us. We are also ISO and TS 16949:2002 certified, and while I agree that standards are needed, more documents do not a better supplier make. It would also be better if the Big 3 were not so hypocritical in their approach about making the supplier accountable to standards and practices that they do not require of themselves. Glad for the Cove, so I have some place to vent!

[Caster]

In Reply to Parent Post by rdunnam

I am in QA for a commerical heat treater that is already Ford W-HTX approved...

Hi

We are going thru Ford Q1 preparations and are trying to gear up for the W-HTX. We don't have any feeling for how detailed this will be.

Did Ford come on site to audit against HTX? Or did they let you send in a self assessment?

If they were on site, was it a knowledgeable heat treat person? How long did they audit? Did they use the checklist ans scoring system? Light weight or detailed?

Hope you can shed some light on this for us.

[rdunnam]

Young Kim of Ford came on site and conducted the audit himself with our customer. He obviously knows heat treating, but he has some unconventional views on subjects. He also does not live in the "real world" of commercial heat treating; if it is in the standard, you'd better be doing it, whether it applies to your operation or not. Pay special attention to process controls and work instructions. Also, material control is a major concern (green parts in close proximity to parts in-process or completed). Remember: the majority of failures from heat treating facilities is due to mixed parts (part numbers that look alike, or green and finished parts).

[Caster]

In Reply to Parent Post by rdunnam

Young Kim of Ford came on site and conducted the audit himself with our customer. He obviously knows heat treating, but he has some unconventional views on subjects. He also does not live in the "real world" of commercial heat treating; if it is in the standard, you'd better be doing it, whether it applies to your operation or not. Pay special attention to process controls and work instructions. Also, material control is a major concern (green parts in close proximity to parts in-process or completed). Remember: the majority of failures from heat treating facilities is due to mixed parts (part numbers that look alike, or green and finished parts).

Thanks for the heads up. Is Young Kim the author of the HTX and the driving force behind the new TS Heat treat standard?

The HTX audit is very tough to score well on - we need to be well advanced to score 7s across the board.

Was the focus on SPC at the process level (times and temps) or product level (tensiles, Hardnesses <SQC>)?

I actually sort of look forward to this audit - it will show us pretty clearly where we stand compared to best in class.

Even preparing for it has made us better, I appreciate all the effort he put into it.