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Old 26th September 2000, 02:00 PM
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Question Differences between Test Accuracy Ratio (TAR) and Test Uncertainty Ratio (TUR)

Can anybody explain the differences between Test Accuracy Ratio (TAR) and Test Uncertainty Ratio (TUR)?
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Old 26th September 2000, 11:31 PM
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I am under the impression they are the same, used to evaluate and express measurement uncertainty, however I am not positive about this.

The website for the National Institute of Standards and Technology, NIST, might provide you with a more informative answer.

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They are pretty close, but I think there is a little difference between them.

Uncertainty is the combined inaccuracy of a measurement. In a calibration context, if there are multiple instruments used to make a calibration measurement, if you used the Roo Sum Squares (RSS) method to calculate a total uncertainty, that would fall under the 'uncertainty' umbrella. The total uncertainty of a measurement may simply be the accuracy tolerance of a measurement standard. Or in the case of multiple instruments, and perhaps if environmental variation is a contributing factor, that amount of variation would also be factored in. Uncertainty refers to making a measurement.

Accuracy on the other hand refers to the plus and minus tolerance of an instrument.

TAR is a simpler quantity, referring to the ratios of the accuracies of two pieces of equipment. In calibration, uncertainty is prabably a more correct term. Where as in some other simpler applications, accuracy may be applicable. If you are using a hand held multimeter with a stated accuracy of +/- x% DC volts to adjust a power supply that has a stated accuracy of +/-y%, TAR would be appropriate. A complicated temperature calibration system with multiple instruments and opportunities for error would need to all be calculated together and a measurement uncertainty calculated.

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Another way to approach this is to remember the subtle difference between accuracy and uncertainty.
Accuracy is usually a design specification of a product feature. Uncertainty is always a performance characteristic of a measurement process.

I usually explain the TAR/TUR difference like this:

When you are using an instrument to measure a product, the specified accuracy (uncertainty) of the measuring instrument must be X times better than the accuracy tolerance of the feature being measured. That is a Test Accuracy Ratio.

When you are calibrating a measuring instrument, the uncertainty performance of your calibration measurement process must be X times better than the measurement uncertainty (accuracy) of the instrument being calibrated. That is the Test Uncertainty Ratio.

The difference is subtle, real, and usually does not make much difference.

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