The Elsmar Cove Forum and Site Map The Elsmar Cove Wiki More Free Files The Elsmar Cove Forums Discussion Thread Index Post Attachments Listing Failure Modes Services and Solutions to Problems Elsmar cove Forums Main Page Elsmar Cove Home Page

Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > ISO (International Organization for Standardization) Standards > ISO 10019 - Consultants and Consulting


The Elsmar Cove Forum SideBar!
Monitor the Forum
Monitor New Forum Posts
New Threads Feeds
RSS FeedRSS Feed
Sponsor Link










$ Contributor Forum Access
Courtesy Quick Links

Links that Elsmar Cove visitors will find useful in your quest for knowledge:


Howard's International Quality Services

Atul's Symphony Technologies

Dave Scott's Scott Quality Solutions

Praxiom Research Group


NIST's Engineering Statistics Handbook

IRCA - International Register of Certified Auditors

SAE - Society of Automotive Engineers

Quality Digest Portal

IEST - Institute of Environmental Sciences and Technology

ASQ - American Society for Quality


All the Important Standards and Related Web Sites in the World
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Content Display Modes
  #1  
Old 4th April 2005, 03:17 PM
qualitygoddess's Avatar
qualitygoddess qualitygoddess is offline
Involved in Discussions

Registration Date: Jul 2004
Location: WI/USA
 
Posts: 399
Thanks Given to Others: 12
Thanked 12 Times in 7 Posts
Karma Power: 42
Karma: 663
qualitygoddess is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.qualitygoddess is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.qualitygoddess is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.qualitygoddess is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.qualitygoddess is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.qualitygoddess is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.
Read This! Consultant Referral Network - Anyone in MI, OH, MN or WI seen this?

CONSULTANT REFERRAL NETWORK.doc

A new database for companies to do searches for consultants to help them implement a quality system, or other services. Has anyone checked out this database, or perhaps paid the fee to join it as a consultant??

--JM
__________________
If at first you don't succeed, go shopping.........
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 4th April 2005, 04:43 PM
Wes Bucey's Avatar
Wes Bucey Wes Bucey is offline
Quality Manager

Registration Date: Sep 2003
Location: Illinois
 
Posts: 7,534
Thanks Given to Others: 182
Thanked 1,127 Times in 762 Posts
Karma Power: 397
Karma: 11090
Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by qualitygoddess

A new database for companies to do searches for consultants to help them implement a quality system, or other services. Has anyone checked out this database, or perhaps paid the fee to join it as a consultant??

--JM
I've seen literally hundreds of similar databases for consultants, both non-profit and for-profit sponsored.

I am leery of operations which seek to garner a "commission" (called referral fee here) on a continuing basis for simply acting as a searchable "directory" for the consultant.

In terms of being a business looking for a consultant, after I read your post, I signed up for my own corporation and was dismayed at being forced to rank the size of consultant organization I preferred after I specifically answered a question stating I had no preference.
Quote:
An error has occurred with the question:
"What is your preference for the consultant's firm size? Please rank the following, indicating your first, second, third, and fourth choice."
Please go back and enter unique values for each option. You must enter 1, 2, 3 or 4.
I asked for a consultant for "Organizational Transitions, Major" which I suppose is code for "Change Management" since there was nothing similar in the menu to choose from. I hate "corporate speak" because when I sit in the Board Room with the Directors, they don't speak like that - only fawning sycophants trying to impress them use such terminology. There is a difference between "elegant language" and "corporate speak." I was so glad to be rid of that kind of language when Military Standards became obsolete and along with them terms like "suffix identifiers" and "Standardization Document Improvement Proposal." I didn't search hard, but if they have "Organizational Transitions, Major" - they probably also have "Meals, Ready to Eat"

The system produced two consultants to choose from. One had this as part of her "pitch":
Quote:
_________ maximizes your business results by effectively assessing, analyzing, prioritizing, and efficiently integrating seven key performance factors within your organization: Talent Growth & Management, Leadership Development, Sales Force Effectiveness, Organizational Alignment, Customer Service Excellence, Team Performance, Compensation, Rewards & Recognition.
Even I got out of breath just reading such a sentence. I use enough polysyllabic words in my life that I am decidedly unimpressed by others who use them in advertising.

Her website wasn't much better:
Quote:
___________ Is a new type of business consultant.
We understand that your business is a concept, a symphony composed of many people, entities, and operations. Our goal is to achieve the delicate balance of harmony without drama, and results without guesswork. Effectively combining the art and science of business is the essence of _______.
Can you imagine YOUR boss signing up?

I once got over 200% return on a mailer (two or more orders for each mailing piece sent) which had a color photo of typical parts plus a sawed 1/2 of a part glued to the piece. The sole copy was:
"If you need parts like this, you need us!"
together with our contact information. Note only words of one syllable!

If a clearing house for consultants is to succeed, it has to do more for the fees it charges than merely supply the equivalent of a white pages ad (no graphics or links allowed) with a text description of services.

Somebody at the clearing house has to make an effort to get it boosted up on search engines. They may even need a copywriter to help consultants create "grabber" copy to delineate their services. They also need to do something to assure the competence of the consultant. I'm not sure how a clearing house can do that when even the top Registrars have trouble assuring the competence of every one of their individual auditors.

Sorry to be negative, but in its current state, I wouldn't pay ANY money to be listed. If my experience as a buyer looking for a referral is any indication, I would be discouraged by apparent lack of "vetting" of consultants other than voluntary adherence to a "code of ethics" which I would expect as a normal course of business anyway. Even "free" is no bargain for an organization if it is merely a waste of time to run the search.

I predict within a few months folks will ask, "What were they thinking?"
__________________
"Few minds wear out; more rust out"
Inscribed over the entrance of Louis Pasteur School, Chicago
Christian Nestell Bovee (1820-1904) in Thoughts, Feelings and Fancies, 1857
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

  #3  
Old 5th April 2005, 01:51 PM
qualitygoddess's Avatar
qualitygoddess qualitygoddess is offline
Involved in Discussions

Registration Date: Jul 2004
Location: WI/USA
 
Posts: 399
Thanks Given to Others: 12
Thanked 12 Times in 7 Posts
Karma Power: 42
Karma: 663
qualitygoddess is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.qualitygoddess is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.qualitygoddess is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.qualitygoddess is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.qualitygoddess is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.qualitygoddess is appreciated, and has over 500 Karma points.
Default

As my dad has always been fond of saying, "If it looks too good to be true, it probably is."
__________________
If at first you don't succeed, go shopping.........
Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation Bar
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > ISO (International Organization for Standardization) Standards > ISO 10019 - Consultants and Consulting

Bookmarks


Visitors Currently Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 Registered Visitors and 1 Unregistered Guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Forum Search
Display Modes Rate Thread Content
Rate Thread Content:

Posting Settings
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Discussion Threads
Discussion Thread Title Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post or Poll Vote
Looking for an Implementation Consultant... Is a consultant firm a good idea? jguns ISO 10019 - Consultants and Consulting 27 27th July 2009 09:13 PM
Consultant Fees - What is a Consultant Worth? db ISO 10019 - Consultants and Consulting 64 4th February 2009 12:36 PM
What does referral laboratory determined in ISO 15189-2003 really equal to? esrakiziltug Other ISO and International Standards and European Regulations 4 4th December 2008 03:20 AM
Referral fee for recommending registrar to customer phxsun2001 ISO 10019 - Consultants and Consulting 9 7th April 2006 01:30 AM



The time now is 04:43 AM. All times are GMT -4.
The time zone can be changed in your UserCP --> Options.



   

All Y'All Come Back Now, Y' Hear?

Made With A Mac! FreeBSD OS Powered by Apache!
Using php4 Forums provided and maintained by Marc Smith Database by MySQL

FAIR USE and CORRECTNESS NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe herein constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. In addition, I do not guarantee the correctness of the content. The risk of using content from the Elsmar Cove web site and forums remains with the user/visitor.

Responsibility Statement: Each person is responsible for anything they post in the Elsmar Cove forum. Neither I, Marc Timothy Smith, nor any of the forum Moderators, are responsible for the content of posts people make. Liability for post content resides with the poster as does interpretation and/or acceptance and/or use of advice by the reader.

Complaints: If you have a complaint with a post in a forum discussion thread, including Content in general, fighting, flaming, copyright infringement, defamation and/or 'slander', please use the 'Report This Post Report This Post Button button which appears at the top of every post in every thread.

Site courtesy of:
Marc Timothy Smith - Cayman Business Systems, 8466 Lesourdsville-West Chester Road, West Chester, Ohio 45069-1929 - USA
(513) 341-6272

To contact me, click the Google Voice link below, enter Your Name and Your Phone Number and Google will ring your phone and connect you for free!

The Elsmar Cove Web Site is *CopyFree*
no new posts