The Elsmar Cove Forum and Site Map The Elsmar Cove Wiki More Free Files The Elsmar Cove Forums Discussion Thread Index Post Attachments Listing Failure Modes Services and Solutions to Problems Elsmar cove Forums Main Page Elsmar Cove Home Page

Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > Registrars and National / International Organizations > ASQ, IRCA, IATF, RABQSA, and Related Organizations


The Elsmar Cove Forum SideBar!
Monitor the Forum
Monitor New Forum Posts
New Threads Feeds
RSS FeedRSS Feed
Sponsor Link










$ Contributor Forum Access
Courtesy Quick Links

Links that Elsmar Cove visitors will find useful in your quest for knowledge:


Howard's International Quality Services

Atul's Symphony Technologies

Dave Scott's Scott Quality Solutions

Praxiom Research Group


NIST's Engineering Statistics Handbook

IRCA - International Register of Certified Auditors

SAE - Society of Automotive Engineers

Quality Digest Portal

IEST - Institute of Environmental Sciences and Technology

ASQ - American Society for Quality


All the Important Standards and Related Web Sites in the World
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Content Display Modes
  #1  
Old 17th April 2005, 01:25 PM
Marc's Avatar
Marc Marc is offline
Your Elsmar Cove Host

Registration Date: Jan 1996
Location: West Chester, Ohio - USA
Age: 59
 
Posts: 15,860
Thanks Given to Others: 1,896
Thanked 1,570 Times in 1,021 Posts
Blog Entries: 4
Karma Power: 605
Karma: 11579
Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Send a message via AIM to Marc Send a message via Skype™ to Marc
Hehehe... If I was given the ASQ to 'Reform', I would...

I've seen a lot of negative discussions and feedback about the ASQ in some threads here and - Well in many places. I myself question the value of the ASQ to many people.

I am starting this thread with the request that negative comments NOT be posted. This is not meant to be a bashing thread. So - PLEASE don't voice your complaints here.

This is my question:

If you were given the ASQ to 'Reform', what would you do? Where would you start? If you're brave enough and can spend the time, explain why you would make any 'Reforms' you propose.

What would be your GOALS?
__________________
A Search is a terrible thing to waste!
One Test is Worth 1000 Expert Opinions - The plural of anecdote is not data.
We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. - Unknown
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 17th April 2005, 04:49 PM
Wes Bucey's Avatar
Wes Bucey Wes Bucey is offline
Quality Manager

Registration Date: Sep 2003
Location: Illinois
 
Posts: 7,540
Thanks Given to Others: 182
Thanked 1,128 Times in 763 Posts
Karma Power: 397
Karma: 11095
Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Default

Thanks for the opportunity!

I have two main issues I would like to "improve."
  1. Reinstate ASQ members as the boss and the paid staff as underlying "infrastructure" of ASQ.
    Currently, the top paid staff run the ASQ functions as their personal fiefdom and appear to merely tolerate regular members as a necessary evil to fund the grandiose schemes of the paid staff. The salaries of the top paid staff have escalated while the membership has dropped. The elected ASQ volunteer officials appear to have very little voice in the "money making" operations of the ASQ (publishing and training stand out.) Regular members don't know if the elected officials have abdicated responsibility and authority or if they have been "sidestepped" by the paid staff.
  2. Provide much more visibility and transparency into the inner workings and financial transactions of the ASQ for the members.
    Recently, a small step has been made to publish the minutes of Board meetings on the public ASQ website. Many of us are aware of the gulf between what actually occurs in a meeting and what gets transferred to minutes. The most recent example of non-transparency is the by-laws change discussed and passed by the Board ("railroaded," if some of the dissenting voices are to be believed) before any hint the topic was before the Board and with absolutely no request or opportunity for regular members to present views for the Board to consider in their deliberations.

    A constantly galling issue of transparency is in the finances of the ASQ. Members currently only have access to the broad points covered in the IRS Form 990, available from the IRS, not offered freely to members by ASQ officials. Form 990 is woefully short on most details, while the details that do show up raise disturbing questions - primary among them the number of paid staffers at ASQ who receive more than $50,000 a year in salary (36 staffers got more than $50,000 in 2002) and the salary and benefits of the top paid official which verges on $343,000 in the year 2002 (most recent available Form 990.) The top five paid officials of ASQ grossed nearly $1,000,000 per year in salary and benefits in 2002.
In addition, these were the top five highest paid independent contractors for ASQ in 2002 (doesn't include lesser paid folk):
  • Steve Salzman, Eudora KS, got $235,000 in instructor fees in 2002
  • Michael Jones of Charlotte, NC got $309,240 in instructor fees in 2002
  • Versatile Visuals of Olathe, KS got $173,917 in instructor and consulting fees in 2002
  • Andrew West of Burnie, MD got $190,548 in instructor fees in 2002
  • Six Sigma Engineering of Gold Canyon, AZ got $117,812 in instructor fees in 2002
__________________
"Few minds wear out; more rust out"
Inscribed over the entrance of Louis Pasteur School, Chicago
Christian Nestell Bovee (1820-1904) in Thoughts, Feelings and Fancies, 1857

Last edited by Wes Bucey; 17th April 2005 at 07:55 PM. Reason: fix "look & feel"
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

  #3  
Old 17th April 2005, 05:13 PM
Marc's Avatar
Marc Marc is offline
Your Elsmar Cove Host

Registration Date: Jan 1996
Location: West Chester, Ohio - USA
Age: 59
 
Posts: 15,860
Thanks Given to Others: 1,896
Thanked 1,570 Times in 1,021 Posts
Blog Entries: 4
Karma Power: 605
Karma: 11579
Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Send a message via AIM to Marc Send a message via Skype™ to Marc
Default

Not surprising. The disparity of wages continues to widen in every company and organization. Is a 'CEO' really worth 15+ times what an 'hourly worker' is paid?

Don't get me started with who gets paid how much and why.
__________________
A Search is a terrible thing to waste!
One Test is Worth 1000 Expert Opinions - The plural of anecdote is not data.
We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. - Unknown
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 17th April 2005, 07:03 PM
Jennifer Kirley's Avatar
Jennifer Kirley Jennifer Kirley is online now
Forum Moderator

Registration Date: Jan 2004
Location: Maine, USA
 
Posts: 3,106
Thanks Given to Others: 964
Thanked 1,136 Times in 685 Posts
Karma Power: 360
Karma: 13746
Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc

Not surprising. The disparity of wages continues to widen in every company and organization. Is a 'CEO' really worth 15+ times what an 'hourly worker' is paid?

Don't get me started with who gets paid how much and why.
I agree. I am a teacher's aide for middle school special education. I serve 18 "clients" in varying numbers throughout the day.

I'd like to see a CEO come to my school and do what I do. My job is the most stressful I have ever held, for a number of reasons that I shall not divulge for confidentiality purposes. I will say my duties have run from facilitating the most basic of human functions to reteaching chemistry and physics to students who didn't get it during the class lectures.

I get paid just under $14K a year, with a four year degree in Applied Technical Education. I will improve the pay to $28K a year when I get certified (I took the Praxis exams yesterday) and get my own classroom, IF vocational education budgets are not cut and my job disappears again.
__________________
Stealth quality versus no quality
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 18th April 2005, 10:55 AM
Craig H. Craig H. is online now
Been around a while

Registration Date: Jan 2002
Location: Southeastern USA
 
Posts: 1,996
Thanks Given to Others: 283
Thanked 267 Times in 212 Posts
Karma Power: 171
Karma: 5047
Craig H. is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Craig H. is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Craig H. is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Craig H. is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Craig H. is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Craig H. is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Craig H. is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Craig H. is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Craig H. is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Craig H. is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Craig H. is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Craig H. is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Craig H. is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Default

Not knowing much about the inner workings, I offer this.

Abolish the HQ. Use the money saved to improve/increase the virtual quality world, including training, and increase funding for the local sections.

Make major paper presentations via webinar.

Increase efforts to show how down-to earth (no hype, please) quality efforts can have a very positive effect on the bottom line.

Recruit and use the abilities of members to teach other members and nonmembers more effectively. If the money spent on consultants and trainers was leveraged in this way, how much more value would have been gained?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 18th April 2005, 12:49 PM
Steve Prevette's Avatar
Steve Prevette Steve Prevette is offline
Deming Disciple

Registration Date: Feb 2004
Location: Aiken, SC
 
Posts: 1,473
Thanks Given to Others: 60
Thanked 403 Times in 241 Posts
Karma Power: 190
Karma: 6872
Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Default

ASQ ought to conduct itself as the "shining star" in all things quality. This implies:

1. Good use of statistics in its internal metrics, and in its press releases.

2. Good use of quality management techniques. Granted, this is potentially difficult as their are competing techniques (see 4 below).

3. Good use of surveys of the members and the general public, with open publishing of survey results and what the results were used for.

4. Open diversity. Open discussion of the pros and cons of various quality tools and management techniques.

5. Implement the recommendations from the Partnership Study. This includes opening the visibility of the Board, and developing a "Tylenol Response" to respond to new issues.

6. Implement a formal feedback mechanism, similar to standard Corrective Action Manangement systems where members may raise issues and concerns and have some hope of them being tracked, statused, and feedback provided as to resolution (or why it cannot be acted upon).
__________________
Steve Prevette
"A Passionate Statistician", ASQ CQE, Fluor Government Group
The opinion stated above does not necessarily reflect that of my employer.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 18th April 2005, 02:51 PM
Jim Howe Jim Howe is offline
E-Mails Invalid or Rejected

Registration Date: Jun 2004
Location: Ohio
 
Posts: 415
Thanks Given to Others: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Karma Power: 0
Karma: 225
Jim Howe is appreciated, and has over 200 Karma points.Jim Howe is appreciated, and has over 200 Karma points.Jim Howe is appreciated, and has over 200 Karma points.
Default reforming ASQ

I remember my first introduction to the ASCQ. It was from a work associate who asked if I would consider membership. Prior to that I had not heard of ASQC. Each year ASQ has a membership drive to recruit new members but it is, in my opinion, restricted to current members recruiting new members. This means nothing has changed in the past 25 years to promote ASQ in the eyes of the public. Kind of reminds me of the secret societies of the past.

So what I would like to see happen is to start a promotion on national television to let the public know who we are and what we do as well as what we offer. I firmly believe that such a stradegy would work very well to enlarge public knowledge and increase membership.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 19th April 2005, 12:51 PM
Marc's Avatar
Marc Marc is offline
Your Elsmar Cove Host

Registration Date: Jan 1996
Location: West Chester, Ohio - USA
Age: 59
 
Posts: 15,860
Thanks Given to Others: 1,896
Thanked 1,570 Times in 1,021 Posts
Blog Entries: 4
Karma Power: 605
Karma: 11579
Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Marc is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Send a message via AIM to Marc Send a message via Skype™ to Marc
Default

These are some good starters. Any other ideas?
__________________
A Search is a terrible thing to waste!
One Test is Worth 1000 Expert Opinions - The plural of anecdote is not data.
We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. - Unknown
Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation Bar
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > Registrars and National / International Organizations > ASQ, IRCA, IATF, RABQSA, and Related Organizations

Bookmarks


Visitors Currently Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 Registered Visitors and 1 Unregistered Guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Forum Search
Display Modes Rate Thread Content
Rate Thread Content:

Posting Settings
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Discussion Threads
Discussion Thread Title Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post or Poll Vote
Health Care Fictions - Healthcare Reform in the US Marc Controversial Discussion Topics 142 15th September 2009 04:34 PM
Passed ASQ CQA. Next ASQ CQT Jasonvand28 Professional Certifications and Degrees 3 18th June 2008 08:57 PM
ASQ Section Leaders: Anyone going to the ASQ Leadership Summit in October? RosieA ASQ, IRCA, IATF, RABQSA, and Related Organizations 3 20th October 2005 08:50 AM
Asbestos and Asbestos Reform Marc General News and Business Articles 6 11th February 2005 04:06 PM
Before Their Time - Medical Coverage Reform Marc Controversial Discussion Topics 45 20th August 2003 11:46 AM



The time now is 03:13 PM. All times are GMT -4.
The time zone can be changed in your UserCP --> Options.



   

All Y'All Come Back Now, Y' Hear?

Made With A Mac! FreeBSD OS Powered by Apache!
Using php4 Forums provided and maintained by Marc Smith Database by MySQL

FAIR USE and CORRECTNESS NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe herein constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. In addition, I do not guarantee the correctness of the content. The risk of using content from the Elsmar Cove web site and forums remains with the user/visitor.

Responsibility Statement: Each person is responsible for anything they post in the Elsmar Cove forum. Neither I, Marc Timothy Smith, nor any of the forum Moderators, are responsible for the content of posts people make. Liability for post content resides with the poster as does interpretation and/or acceptance and/or use of advice by the reader.

Complaints: If you have a complaint with a post in a forum discussion thread, including Content in general, fighting, flaming, copyright infringement, defamation and/or 'slander', please use the 'Report This Post Report This Post Button button which appears at the top of every post in every thread.

Site courtesy of:
Marc Timothy Smith - Cayman Business Systems, 8466 Lesourdsville-West Chester Road, West Chester, Ohio 45069-1929 - USA
(513) 341-6272

To contact me, click the Google Voice link below, enter Your Name and Your Phone Number and Google will ring your phone and connect you for free!

The Elsmar Cove Web Site is *CopyFree*
no new posts