Differences Between Iso 9001:2000 And Qs-9000

[KIDDO]

Good Morning;

What are the differences between ISO 9001:2000 and QS-9000?

Thanks
Kiddo

[Marc]

I haven't seen any comparison matrices - Probably because QS9000 is almost obsolete (2006 will soon be here) and QS9000 was keyed to ISO 9001:1994.

What are you doing? Changing from QS9000 to ISO 9001?

[Howard Atkins]

There should be somewhere.
The is certainly between TS and QS and thus you could look just at the ISO 9001 values
Look here http://elsmar.com/pdf_files/
and search in the forums for comparisions
But as Marc asked, Why?

[KIDDO]

In Reply to Parent Post by Marc

I haven't seen any comparison matrices - Probably because QS9000 is almost obsolete (2006 will soon be here) and QS9000 was keyed to ISO 9001:1994.

What are you doing? Changing from QS9000 to ISO 9001?

Marc;

Yes, that is the intent for now. Then in 2007, go to TS-16949.

[Helmut Jilling]

In Reply to Parent Post by KIDDO

Good Morning;

What are the differences between ISO 9001:2000 and QS-9000?

Thanks
Kiddo

The biggest difference is that in ISO 9001:2000, you define your system by the processes you do at your site, where QS defined your system by the 21 elements and sections. ISO then has you define significant details for those processes (ref. 4.1 in the ISO or TS standard).

There are many other items as well, but one thing that did not change much are floor level work instructions. Most of the changes are at the management level activities.

Reading ISO 9004 would be very beneficial as well.

[barbt]

In Reply to Parent Post by hjilling

The biggest difference is that in ISO 9001:2000, you define your system by the processes you do at your site, where QS defined your system by the 21 elements and sections. ISO then has you define significant details for those processes (ref. 4.1 in the ISO or TS standard).

There are many other items as well, but one thing that did not change much are floor level work instructions. Most of the changes are at the management level activities.

Reading ISO 9004 would be very beneficial as well.

If you are QS compliant, you probably have many of the requirements for TS already filled - though not necessarily documented in the current process -oriented fashion, but certainly in place. To make the move to TS, you would have to add more detail, and perhaps beef up some of the stuff you're already doing.

ISO 9001:2000 is much less stringent than either QS or TS, so a whole bunch of QS specific 'shalls' don't need to make the transition to the new certification level. However, if you are planning to go to TS in the near future anyway, you will just have to re-introduce the stuff you likely would have stripped out for ISO 9001:2000

Have you considered moving to TS directly?

Barbt

[KIDDO]

In Reply to Parent Post by barbt

If you are QS compliant, you probably have many of the requirements for TS already filled - though not necessarily documented in the current process -oriented fashion, but certainly in place. To make the move to TS, you would have to add more detail, and perhaps beef up some of the stuff you're already doing.

ISO 9001:2000 is much less stringent than either QS or TS, so a whole bunch of QS specific 'shalls' don't need to make the transition to the new certification level. However, if you are planning to go to TS in the near future anyway, you will just have to re-introduce the stuff you likely would have stripped out for ISO 9001:2000

Have you considered moving to TS directly?

Barbt

Good Morning;
Our Quality Manager has made that decision to go ISO first, then TS later....

[Hoeyster]

In Reply to Parent Post by hjilling

There are many other items as well, but one thing that did not change much are floor level work instructions. Most of the changes are at the management level activities.

I know QS9000 is obsolete but I have had many conversations at my company about the work instructions TS is talking about:
TS 7.5.1.2 - The organization shall prepare documented work instructions for all employees having responsibilities for the operation of processses that impact product quality. These instructions shall be accessible for use at the work station. These instructions shall be derived from sources such as the quality plan, the control plan and the product realization process.

My interpretation of the clause 7.5.1.2 is that the instructions they are talking about are the ones that tell you how to build the part / product, not the work instructions telling you how to run the mill / machine.

First of all, is my interpretation correct?

My second question is, what work instructions was QS9000 talking about?