The Original "Introductions" Thread started in 2001 and split off October 2009

[Jim Wynne]

Welcome to the Cove, Rob

In Reply to Parent Post by 56flh

Manufacturing: 40 years as machinist, supervisor, and manufacturing engineer

Come back when you have some experience, OK?

In Reply to Parent Post by 56flh

Professional musician (46 years) into Corvettes and Harleys

Then you certainly can't be all bad.

In Reply to Parent Post by 56flh

Can't stand the acronyms and buzz-words used to describe the quality world.

I'm with you!

Feel free to jump right in--I'm sure that someone with your background and experience will be a welcome addition.

[QAMMAN]

Greetings all,

Ok I'm going to break down and get involved.
I have been using the site now for a few months and have found it very helpful.

I am the Quality Assurance Manager, Management Rep, and Production Scheduler (I know, seems like a conflict of interest) at a small (40 employees) sheet metal manufacturing company in suburban Detoit.

We have been QS now for about 6 years and are pursuing TS registration.

I am down to writing my last procedure for Preventive Actions.

I hate this one because I have always said that a P/A could be written as a Continuous Improvement or a Preventive Action. (I know that I will get conflicting statements on that one LOL)

I have read many postings that have said they combined the C/A and P/A forms as one. It occurs to me that would work fine for QS but not TS.

TS requires a seperate procedure for P/A's and C/A's. I am making the assumption that the two procedures should not be mirror immages of each other so how could the forms be.

One think I like is that TS does not require a procedure for Continuos Improvements but says you will continuouslly improve the QMS.

I am reading this as saying through the correvtive action and preventive action process you are continuouly improving the QMS.

One last point, wouldnt corrective action address root cause more closely than preventive actions? If you are trying to prevent an occurance how would you have a root cause already?

I had a 3rd party internal audit a while ago (that turned into a gap analysis audit because it went so bad) and the auditor told me I need to address root cause as part of preventive actions. I do not see this as part of the standard and do not agree with her.

all opinions are welcome

kindest regards

the QAMMAN

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Preventive Action vs. Corrective Action - What about Root Cause?
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[Jim Wynne]

In Reply to Parent Post by QAMMAN

Greetings all,

Ok I'm going to break down and get involved.
I have been using the site now for a few months and have found it very helpful.

I am the Quality Assurance Manager, Management Rep, and Production Scheduler (I know, seems like a conflict of interest) at a small (40 employees) sheet metal manufacturing company in suburban Detoit.

We have been QS now for about 6 years and are pursuing TS registration.

I am down to writing my last procedure for Preventive Actions.

I hate this one because I have always said that a P/A could be written as a Continuous Improvement or a Preventive Action. (I know that I will get conflicting statements on that one LOL)

I have read many postings that have said they combined the C/A and P/A forms as one. It occurs to me that would work fine for QS but not TS.

TS requires a seperate procedure for P/A's and C/A's. I am making the assumption that the two procedures should not be mirror immages of each other so how could the forms be.

One think I like is that TS does not require a procedure for Continuos Improvements but says you will continuouslly improve the QMS.

I am reading this as saying through the correvtive action and preventive action process you are continuouly improving the QMS.

One last point, wouldnt corrective action address root cause more closely than preventive actions? If you are trying to prevent an occurance how would you have a root cause already?

I had a 3rd party internal audit a while ago (that turned into a gap analysis audit because it went so bad) and the auditor told me I need to address root cause as part of preventive actions. I do not see this as part of the standard and do not agree with her.

all opinions are welcome

kindest regards

the QAMMAN

Welcome to the Cove

You should start a new thread (or threads) in the appropriate forums, rather than posting question here in this get-acquainted thread.

[QAMMAN]

thanks Jim, will do

[Jim Wynne]

In Reply to Parent Post by QAMMAN

thanks Jim, will do

You're welcome--glad to see you here, and I'm sure you'll get helpful answers to your questions.

[Wes Bucey]

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2. Financial Administrator
3. Humanitarian Services sectors with NGO
4. have been working in this organization for 4 years
5. I do quality checks in financial reports and budgets
6. I will expect all top amangement of organizations to get involved in understanding budgets and the variance analysis against expenditures

[atchukorn - 2011]

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