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18th January 2006, 06:57 PM
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Veteran Quality Manager new to FAA Regulations - Help!
Hello to All! Let me first say that I truly appreciate this forum 100 times over! It's great being able to read thoughts/suggestions/questions specific to the quality field. I am the new Quality Assurance and Compliance Manager of a supplier to the aerospace industry. We manufacture telephones and install them on airplanes. We are compliant to FAA 14 CFR Part 21. I have six years experience with ISO and have lead 2 companies to ISO registration/certification. I've attended an AS9100 Lead Auditor course (1 long brutal week) and found that I shouldn't have a problem understanding the additional requirements from ISO 9001. What I am in desperate need of assistance in finding is some type of course that will get me familiar with all (O.K. that's asking a bit much - at least some) of the FAA lingo/acronyms! I need to be able to blend my quality expertise with at least understanding our customers as well as the FAA veterans within my company. So long story - short question: Does anyone have any suggestions for training for quality professional seeking an understanding of FAA Part 21?
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18th January 2006, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SLSHappy
Hello to All! Let me first say that I truly appreciate this forum 100 times over! It's great being able to read thoughts/suggestions/questions specific to the quality field. I am the new Quality Assurance and Compliance Manager of a supplier to the aerospace industry. We manufacture telephones and install them on airplanes. We are compliant to FAA 14 CFR Part 21. I have six years experience with ISO and have lead 2 companies to ISO registration/certification. I've attended an AS9100 Lead Auditor course (1 long brutal week) and found that I shouldn't have a problem understanding the additional requirements from ISO 9001. What I am in desperate need of assistance in finding is some type of course that will get me familiar with all (O.K. that's asking a bit much - at least some) of the FAA lingo/acronyms! I need to be able to blend my quality expertise with at least understanding our customers as well as the FAA veterans within my company. So long story - short question: Does anyone have any suggestions for training for quality professional seeking an understanding of FAA Part 21? 
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You have my complete sympathy regarding the aerospace and general aviation industry use of acronyms. The worst part for me was that most of the folks I dealt with had no clue to the words behind the acronym! They may have had a narrow understanding in their own company/agency of some definition, not the exact words which matched the acronym, and I found myself continually asking them to explain what they meant. I did ultimately carry around a little address book (alphabetized pages) in which I jotted down acronyms in alphabetical order [sort of, anyway] along with each meaning I came across. I suppose a Palm Pilot type of Personal Digital Assistant might have worked, too, but I had a nasty habit of dropping them and breaking them.
Just for FAR, I ran into all of these at one time or another as QM (Quality Manager) of a *PMA/PAH  :
Federal Acquisition Regulation
Function(al) Area Requirement
Federal Aviation Regulation
Financial Accounting & Reporting
Fatal Accident Rate
False Alarm Ratio (weather forecasting)
Flight Acceptance Review
Federal Air Regulation
*PMA=Parts Manufacturer Approval (not Positive Mental Attitude!)
(I have a list of over 250 definitions for PMA)
PAH=Parts Approval Holder
If you find a good method to get through the maze, let us know!
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18th January 2006, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SLSHappy
Hello to All! Let me first say that I truly appreciate this forum 100 times over! It's great being able to read thoughts/suggestions/questions specific to the quality field. I am the new Quality Assurance and Compliance Manager of a supplier to the aerospace industry. We manufacture telephones and install them on airplanes. We are compliant to FAA 14 CFR Part 21. I have six years experience with ISO and have lead 2 companies to ISO registration/certification. I've attended an AS9100 Lead Auditor course (1 long brutal week) and found that I shouldn't have a problem understanding the additional requirements from ISO 9001. What I am in desperate need of assistance in finding is some type of course that will get me familiar with all (O.K. that's asking a bit much - at least some) of the FAA lingo/acronyms! I need to be able to blend my quality expertise with at least understanding our customers as well as the FAA veterans within my company. So long story - short question: Does anyone have any suggestions for training for quality professional seeking an understanding of FAA Part 21? 
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Start with the regulation, especially sub part K regarding Parts Manufacturer Approval.
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19th January 2006, 09:00 AM
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You can make a career out of trying to become and stay knowledgeable with regard to FAA regulations. There is a designee notification system that sends notices of updates via e-mail. It can be pretty time consuming to stay current at times. The FAA does offer numerous training courses with different purposes in mind. I have been a designee for several years and attend yearly refresher training. However, I still feel like a babe in the woods on occasion when someone starts spouting acronyms. The Combined Maintenance & Manufacturing Initial PART 1 Seminar should give you the best basic overview of PAH (production approval holder) related regulations.
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19th January 2006, 09:01 AM
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While I can't be of any help with your question as I have no experience in the aviation industry (other than what I've read here) - I would like to welcome you to the "posting side" of the Cove
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19th January 2006, 01:18 PM
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Thank you! I appreciate everyone's suggestions / comments (and such quick turn around  )!
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20th January 2006, 02:44 PM
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FAA Training
I too am an FAA designee and attend a recurrent training session every 2 years. When I looked at the links provided by Badgerman, I was disappointed to see that the Part 1 initial seminar is now on line. When I first became a designee, you had to spend 5 days in Oaklahoma City for the initial training. The material was very dry, but the trainers made it a lot of fun. They all had stories to tell, which made the intensity of the training tolerable.
I see that part 2 of the training, "Designee standardization initial part 2" is still held in Oaklahoma City. If any of the old-timers are still around (many were close to retirement) it would be well worth it to make the trip for Part 2. Part 1, I believe (it's been a long time) focuses primarily on the documentation...which by the way includes how to find definitions and acronyms. So maybe that is all you would need.
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I was disappointed to see that the Part 1 initial seminar is now on line. When I first became a designee, you had to spend 5 days in Oaklahoma City for the initial training. The material was very dry, but the trainers made it a lot of fun. They all had stories to tell, which made the intensity of the training tolerable.
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Wow, I did not even notice that the part 1 seminar was an on-line deal. I too have fond memories of the week I spent in OKC. Much joking and laughing with the instructors, both during class and in the hotel bar afterward!
I spent three days in Spokane for my recurrent training last summer. I will be traveling to Memphis for my training this summer.
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