The Elsmar Cove Forum and Site Map The Elsmar Cove Wiki More Free Files The Elsmar Cove Forums Discussion Thread Index Post Attachments Listing Failure Modes Services and Solutions to Problems Elsmar cove Forums Main Page Elsmar Cove Home Page

Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > Manufacturing, Service, and Business Systems Processes > Lean - Lean in Manufacturing and Services


The Elsmar Cove Forum SideBar!
Monitor the Forum
Monitor New Forum Posts
New Threads Feeds
RSS FeedRSS Feed
Sponsor Link










$ Contributor Forum Access
Courtesy Quick Links

Links that Elsmar Cove visitors will find useful in your quest for knowledge:


Howard's International Quality Services

Atul's Symphony Technologies

Dave Scott's Scott Quality Solutions

Praxiom Research Group


NIST's Engineering Statistics Handbook

IRCA - International Register of Certified Auditors

SAE - Society of Automotive Engineers

Quality Digest Portal

IEST - Institute of Environmental Sciences and Technology

ASQ - American Society for Quality


All the Important Standards and Related Web Sites in the World
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Content Display Modes
  #1  
Old 8th February 2006, 06:48 PM
normzone normzone is offline
Registered Visitor

Registration Date: Jun 2004
Location: San Diego CA USA
 
Posts: 37
Thanks Given to Others: 30
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Karma Power: 23
Karma: 17
normzone has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Question Departmental Performance Metrics - What's appropriate for Quality Assurance?

There's a movement afoot to choose some non-financial performance metrics that the QA department will track. I'm under pressure to pick something simple that is meaningless but easily trackable.

I'd like to choose something that we could actually work to improve to our benefit, but everything I'd like to improve is an issue that is outside of our direct control.

Do any of you have any metrics regarding your department's performance that you're tracking that you are content with or happy about?

Thanks
Norman Lutes
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 8th February 2006, 06:54 PM
wweng7 wweng7 is offline
Registered Visitor

Registration Date: Oct 2005
Location: USA Las Vegas, Nevada
 
Posts: 40
Thanks Given to Others: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Karma Power: 17
Karma: 23
wweng7 has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Default Metrics

Your departmental PPM.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

  #3  
Old 8th February 2006, 06:59 PM
normzone normzone is offline
Registered Visitor

Registration Date: Jun 2004
Location: San Diego CA USA
 
Posts: 37
Thanks Given to Others: 30
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Karma Power: 23
Karma: 17
normzone has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Default

Well, we're not exactly a million output kind of outfit. Ruggedized computers for the military.

I already track flaws found at inspection, and flaws found at test. I have considered tracking flaws that get past inspection that COULD have been caught by inspection but got found in testing, but that would generate a blip every few months and nothing more.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 8th February 2006, 07:39 PM
gvalenti9's Avatar
gvalenti9 gvalenti9 is offline
Inactive Registered Visitor

Registration Date: Dec 2005
Location: USA, OR
 
Posts: 9
Thanks Given to Others: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Karma Power: 17
Karma: 10
gvalenti9 has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Default metris

Metrics should be 1) quantifiable, 2) observable and 3) meaningful.

If the metric is not meaningful, then why bother doing it?

I've used non-financial metrics to highlight processes that need improvement, for example. How many hours are being spent writing up defects--can that process be improved to reduce that burden? What is the DPMO by product--is one particular product in need of some help? What is the warranty return rate--are things that should be caught before shipment being missed, does a test that is being performed need to be changed or added?

All of the root-causes of these data may be out of your control, but if you can highlight the need for change (and something is done to address that need), then the metric is successful.

Greg
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 8th February 2006, 07:40 PM
wweng7 wweng7 is offline
Registered Visitor

Registration Date: Oct 2005
Location: USA Las Vegas, Nevada
 
Posts: 40
Thanks Given to Others: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Karma Power: 17
Karma: 23
wweng7 has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Default Performance metrics

Other options for performance metrics we are using is:

Target percentage of corrective and preventive action requests per:
• Reporting Source
• Type
• Subject
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 8th February 2006, 08:26 PM
Steve Prevette's Avatar
Steve Prevette Steve Prevette is offline
Deming Disciple

Registration Date: Feb 2004
Location: Aiken, SC
 
Posts: 1,471
Thanks Given to Others: 60
Thanked 402 Times in 240 Posts
Karma Power: 190
Karma: 6867
Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Steve Prevette is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by normzone

There's a movement afoot to choose some non-financial performance metrics that the QA department will track. I'm under pressure to pick something simple that is meaningless but easily trackable.

I'd like to choose something that we could actually work to improve to our benefit, but everything I'd like to improve is an issue that is outside of our direct control.

Do any of you have any metrics regarding your department's performance that you're tracking that you are content with or happy about?

Thanks
Norman Lutes
In these days, there are very few efforts in a corporation that are within anyone's "direct control". If your measure is "meaningul" it is not likely under your direct control. So, go with it. If the measure reflects something important that QA has a role in, measure and learn from it. You may need to team with another department in order to deal with it, but "it" will become a win for the company.
__________________
Steve Prevette
"A Passionate Statistician", ASQ CQE, Fluor Government Group
The opinion stated above does not necessarily reflect that of my employer.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 8th February 2006, 10:11 PM
normzone normzone is offline
Registered Visitor

Registration Date: Jun 2004
Location: San Diego CA USA
 
Posts: 37
Thanks Given to Others: 30
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Karma Power: 23
Karma: 17
normzone has less than 100 Karma points so far.
Default

Well, perhaps I've not expressed my original sentiment very clearly. Let me try again.

I believe that tracking quantifiable issues and seeking to improve trends is a good thing. I do it all the time.

My boss has been asked to set some criteria for his own performance that he can be measured against, and the same for his direct reports. I'm not certain if the goal of the exercise is to improve where improvements are possible, or if it's a holdover from the "merit pay will be based on performance against metrics" philosophy.

My boss is encouraging us to choose metrics within our control. My problem is, everything that is within my control is mundane and of small value to improve. For example, conformance to a three day time window to get my data entry and analysis done AFTER I receive the raw data from Production.

The exercise is academic. If I get it done in three days, it's because the rush is over and there was time to do it. If I fail to get it done in three days, it's because the rush was still on and I'd have to stop shipments to do the data entry and analysis.

There are plenty of things I can and do track that involve other departments, but I've been asked to choose goals germane to the QA department.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 8th February 2006, 10:39 PM
Helmut Jilling Helmut Jilling is offline
Auditor/Consultant

Registration Date: Aug 2005
Location: Ohio
Age: 55
 
Posts: 3,415
Thanks Given to Others: 389
Thanked 680 Times in 473 Posts
Karma Power: 188
Karma: 5128
Helmut Jilling is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Helmut Jilling is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Helmut Jilling is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Helmut Jilling is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Helmut Jilling is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Helmut Jilling is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Helmut Jilling is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Helmut Jilling is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Helmut Jilling is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Helmut Jilling is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Helmut Jilling is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Helmut Jilling is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Helmut Jilling is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Helmut Jilling is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by normzone

My boss has been asked to set some criteria for his own performance that he can be measured against, and the same for his direct reports. I'm not certain if the goal of the exercise is to improve where improvements are possible, or if it's a holdover from the "merit pay will be based on performance against metrics" philosophy.

There are plenty of things I can and do track that involve other departments, but I've been asked to choose goals germane to the QA department.

I would say that selecting metrics in a vacumn is futile. The process approach would have you define the important criteria for this Quality process first (4.1.c). When you define what is important, those cirteria will essentially define for you what should be measured (4.1.e). For some reason, we frequently get it in the wrong order, and it becomes somewhat undefined or even arbitrary.

If you can tell me the important criteria, then I can easily tell you what should be measured.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation Bar
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > Manufacturing, Service, and Business Systems Processes > Lean - Lean in Manufacturing and Services

Bookmarks


Visitors Currently Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 Registered Visitors and 1 Unregistered Guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Forum Search
Display Modes Rate Thread Content
Rate Thread Content:

Posting Settings
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Discussion Threads
Discussion Thread Title Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post or Poll Vote
QA (Quality Assurance) Department - What metrics do you use to monitor performance? MikeQ Quality Tools, Improvement and Analysis 7 22nd April 2009 05:52 AM
What useful Process Performance Metrics can you recommend? zippobob ISO 9001 - Quality Management Systems Standard 7 18th September 2007 10:36 AM
Metrics and Process Performance via Email just67horns ISO/TS 16949 - International Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4 28th August 2006 02:15 PM
What are metrics on performance trends for review of the QMS? Katheryn ISO/TS 16949 - International Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4 14th March 2006 05:48 PM
ISO9000 Performance Metrics Marc ISO 9001:1994 5 12th January 1999 10:26 AM



The time now is 05:18 PM. All times are GMT -4.
The time zone can be changed in your UserCP --> Options.



   

All Y'All Come Back Now, Y' Hear?

Made With A Mac! FreeBSD OS Powered by Apache!
Using php4 Forums provided and maintained by Marc Smith Database by MySQL

FAIR USE and CORRECTNESS NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe herein constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. In addition, I do not guarantee the correctness of the content. The risk of using content from the Elsmar Cove web site and forums remains with the user/visitor.

Responsibility Statement: Each person is responsible for anything they post in the Elsmar Cove forum. Neither I, Marc Timothy Smith, nor any of the forum Moderators, are responsible for the content of posts people make. Liability for post content resides with the poster as does interpretation and/or acceptance and/or use of advice by the reader.

Complaints: If you have a complaint with a post in a forum discussion thread, including Content in general, fighting, flaming, copyright infringement, defamation and/or 'slander', please use the 'Report This Post Report This Post Button button which appears at the top of every post in every thread.

Site courtesy of:
Marc Timothy Smith - Cayman Business Systems, 8466 Lesourdsville-West Chester Road, West Chester, Ohio 45069-1929 - USA
(513) 341-6272

To contact me, click the Google Voice link below, enter Your Name and Your Phone Number and Google will ring your phone and connect you for free!

The Elsmar Cove Web Site is *CopyFree*
no new posts