Requirements for 2nd languages? I can't even audit them internally

[howste]

I'm just razzing Randy a bit. I consider it part of my duty as a member of the forums here.

[QualityPhD]

... and I am just harassing TarHeels....

[Coury Ferguson]

In Reply to Parent Post by QualityPhD

demonstrated "personal attributes" from ISO 19011:2002, 7.2 include:

ethical -
open-minded -
diplomatic -
observant -
perceptive -
versatile -
tenacious -
decisive -
self-reliant -

Hmmm... nowhere do I see in the Guidelines' Scope ("applicable to organizations... internal or external audits...) that these demonstrated personal attributes shall be applicable to message boards, discussions outside the scope of the audit, personal conversations, etc. I may be mistaken, though not likely.

I challenge anyone to show me a time where, in a room full of auditors or quality professionals, each person maintained each/every of these qualities consistently.

Second, the challenge extends to the personal arena -- I KNOW that I have violated the ethical, open-minded and diplomatic areas when engaged with a teenager or significant other (not often, not habit, and not proud of it) during conflict.

Third -- has anyone considered the statement "action commensurate with situation encountered"?

Just my $0.02 --

I think maybe Tactful would be an addition and good use of the native language would also be appropriate.

As for your challenge I am not able to "show" you (I know you are not from Missouri or are you). But consistently speaking I have been in numerous discussions with Auditors and Quality Folks from the Customer's (the prime contractor) point and the many audit meetings.

Everything during those meetings were handle with everything required (as stated).


Coury Ferguson

[QualityPhD]

Well then Coury... I'll invite you to the next annual auditor training session.... It certainly provokes thoughtful and insightful discussion and name-calling is optional.

[Coury Ferguson]

In Reply to Parent Post by QualityPhD

Well then Coury... I'll invite you to the next annual auditor training session.... It certainly provokes thoughtful and insightful discussion and name-calling is optional.

Is it going to be in Southeast Florida before June 2006?


Coury Ferguson

[Randy]

In Reply to Parent Post by howste

I'm just razzing Randy a bit. I consider it part of my duty as a member of the forums here.

As well you should

For years tact and diplomacy required me to toss in a flash-bang before entering a room. There are many variations.

[tarheels4 - 2007]

In Reply to Parent Post by QualityPhD

... and I am just harassing TarHeels....

...but what did I do? I have been known to be bit undiplomatic at times,..., but conflict , that is just something I try to avoid, if I can help it.

[Wes Bucey]

It must have been a slow day at work for all of you to expend so much effort on what turns out to be a fairly common situation: Top management in absentia instead of walking around, seeing how things are doing and introducing themselves to the troops.

We have no clue as to the nature of the work - it must not be very critical or difficult because the place hasn't come to a grinding halt [yet] even though some of the employees don't seem to have a clue of what their work instructions are.

From a business owner/manager's standpoint, the only thing guaranteed to catch attention and therefore some corrective action is whether there is a financial downside to the current situation which could be converted to an upside with just a little effort.

There are grants and tax breaks for employers who provide classes and courses for employees to improve their use of oral and written English. Check with the State Department in charge of Employment matters for organizations within the state for leads on how to get these dollars.

My point is "light a candle rather than curse the darkness."

Centuries ago, theologians used to argue about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin instead of how to improve the living circumstances for their faithful. My advice is to forget about defining exactly what clause is violated and concentrate on how to improve the business situation of the organization. Once that is accomplished, I'm pretty sure the adherence to clauses will fall right in place.