The ISO 9001:2008 addendum - What would you like to add or subtract?

[amanbhai]

Dear folks What would you add or amend in the upcoming ver of ISO 9001:2008?

[samer]

In my opinion , there should be something to be added for Auditing and controlling the Finance process, finance people are always making criticism to the quality system , they should be invovled in this .



what I think that it should be substracted is the concentration on Analysis of suppliers performance, evaluation and reevaluation of their performance is enough sometimes for small companies , see subclause 8.4 d

I would ask here a question ,why we sometmies find a certified ISO 9001:2000 companies without any kind of credibility ? who is resposible for that ?in our region there is a lot of examples ?
we are expecting from the new standard to help in minimizing such cases

Samer

[cheahga]

Originally Posted by amanbhai

Dear folks What would you add or amend in the upcoming ver of ISO 9001:2008?

Hi Amanbhai,

Are you a member of TC 176?

I wish that ISO 9001 could follow what ISO 9004 has preached in providing more value added step of implementing an efficient & effective QMS......Just my two cents....

[morgand]

I would start with changing the "Quality Objectives" to something that states that these are objectives that impact product and service quality. I loose HOURS trying to explain that "Quality Objectives" do not have to be rework or error related.

Better outsourcing controls. I think they are working on this....

Work on nonconforming product, but especially corrective and preventive action- there are to many ways to interpret what is beig said esp in the corrective action section.

link monitoring and measurement of product more clearly with nonconforming product.

Make control of software used for monitoring or measuring products and processes (7.6) stronger or more defined Most of the businesses I deal with don't have devices, they have software. Even some of the ones with devices still have software. As it stands, a lot of the "older, more experienced auditors with the 1994 standard" are used to dealing with the devices (sorry if this doesn't apply to you). These auditors, especially in the early years, completely overlooked the software requirement and still are not sure of it.

[morgand]

Oh, and flat out state that Design and development apply to goods, services and software being created as art of a contract or for your own use (if it affects quality) unless you exclude those intentions up front.

[qualityboi]

I would like to see more of the naturally aligning TS 16949 stuff in it and make the rest, like FMEA's and Control plans etc, an automotive supplement. Much in the same way the 9001 has integrated the 14001. For example add 6.3.2 Contingency plans from the 16949 to the 9001. It's funny we have an initiative where we are getting a portion of the company TS certified, we will have business continuity plans for that portion of the company but not the rest!

[Coury Ferguson]

Originally Posted by amanbhai

Dear folks What would you add or amend in the upcoming ver of ISO 9001:2008?

I voted don't know yet.

Where can I find the draft to ISO9001:2008 at the IAF website or the ISO website? Is a draft available?

Coury Ferguson

[Caster]

Originally Posted by amanbhai

Dear folks What would you add or amend in the upcoming ver of ISO 9001:2008?

One change - search and replace the word "quality" with the word "business".

Now that would make a real difference.

ISO 900x puts quality in a ghetto, in the hands of people with limited authority to make it happen.

Quality is the result (output) of business decisions, not an activity in itself.

For that matter so are evironmental results and social accountability.

The standards as written now get handed off as projects to people with little effective authority, and the result is "we got ISO" or the quality manager takes care of quality or our Environmental Manager takes care of spills <as much as the business system lets them>

Note that the national quality awards are slowly moving towards becoming business excellence models.