The Elsmar Cove Forum and Site Map The Elsmar Cove Wiki More Free Files The Elsmar Cove Forums Discussion Thread Index Post Attachments Listing Failure Modes Services and Solutions to Problems Elsmar cove Forums Main Page Elsmar Cove Home Page

Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > Professional Employment and Occupation Related > Job Openings and Employment Opportunities


The Elsmar Cove Forum SideBar!
Monitor the Forum
Monitor New Forum Posts
New Threads Feeds
RSS FeedRSS Feed
Sponsor Link










$ Contributor Forum Access
Courtesy Quick Links

Links that Elsmar Cove visitors will find useful in your quest for knowledge:


Howard's International Quality Services

Atul's Symphony Technologies

Dave Scott's Scott Quality Solutions

Praxiom Research Group


NIST's Engineering Statistics Handbook

IRCA - International Register of Certified Auditors

SAE - Society of Automotive Engineers

Quality Digest Portal

IEST - Institute of Environmental Sciences and Technology

ASQ - American Society for Quality


All the Important Standards and Related Web Sites in the World
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rating: Thread Rating: 1 votes, 5.00 average. Display Modes
  #1  
Old 17th July 2006, 08:53 PM
Wes Bucey's Avatar
Wes Bucey Wes Bucey is offline
Quality Manager

Registration Date: Sep 2003
Location: Illinois
 
Posts: 7,536
Thanks Given to Others: 182
Thanked 1,127 Times in 762 Posts
Karma Power: 397
Karma: 11090
Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Look! HUMAN RESOURCES and RECRUITERS: Suggested job listing template

Remember, you must register to post a job opening.

Often, folks have good job openings, but have received mixed signals about what a job listing should contain. I'm enclosing an outline template for your use. We are experienced enough here in the Cove to know there may be legitimate reasons for not disclosing all information in a public listing, primary reason being the incumbent may not be aware he is about to be replaced.

Other than that, we recognize not every recruiter has an exclusive "retained" engagement and wants to wait until he can register a candidate before disclosing the employer. For this reason, we ask that independent agents disclose the fact they are agents and not the direct employer to avoid misunderstandings.

Our position is that since we offer practically unlimited space to display your listing in a Forum with a very narrow demographic of Quality Professionals as an audience, you refrain from the usual nonsense of "knockout" buzzwords and acronyms you think help narrow the responses to qualified applicants. As a Quality professional of long standing and wide acquaintance among other Quality professionals, I tell you factually such ploys will only serve to irritate and alienate otherwise excellent candidates.

If you use an acronym such as ECO (Engineering Change Order) or NCR (Nonconformance Report), please put the definition in parentheses immediately after the acronym or make a list of ALL the acronyms you use and create a glossary of the definitions YOU intend to put at the end of your listing. For example, many companies use variations on ECO, such as ECR (request, report, referral, etc.), ECA (approval, application, etc.) without realizing their acronym version is not universally understood.

If you don't know what the acronym represents, don't use it (to avoid multiple queries that will only waste everyone's time and not serve the purpose of getting you a viable candidate.)

The outline template:
Position Title: (it may not necessarily have "quality" in the title)
Company: (If you can't disclose it publicly, you must disclose it to the candidate as soon as you register a candidate's name - if not, don't bother posting.)
Location: This should be at least as narrow as the state (province) and ideally, the city, regardless if it is USA or any other country.
Base Pay: ("open" doesn't cut it here unless the employer is willing to pay six figure salaries with no top end.) Post a minimum/maximum range. We are sophisticated enough to know a candidate has to otherwise qualify to earn the range. If you don't have a range, why not? You should write to me before posting if you don't have a range.
Employee Type: (full-time. part-time, temporary, contract, etc.)
Industry: General range such as automotive, aerospace, chemical, medical device, etc. is OK if you are not disclosing company name
Manages Others: If yes, how many?
Job Type: Line, staff, administrative, executive, sales, industrial, etc.
Req'd Education: Be realistic
Req'd Experience: This should be "years at this level of responsibility/authority"
Req'd Travel: percentage of overnight travel
Relocation Covered: This is important - if there are dollar limits, say so!
Security/ability to work: - citizen? security clearance? Equal opportunity - gender, age, physical restrictions, etc.

Contact: We prefer name and title, not "recruiter"
Phone: optional
Email:
  • you may request candidates contact you through Cove email system, but they will NOT be able to attach resumes or cover letters.
  • You can list your personal email in your Profile to limit spam.
  • You may "deconstruct" an email listing by using the word "and" in parentheses instead of the "@" symbol.
  • If you do not want to clutter your work email with candidate mail, please create a temporary Yahoo or Hotmail account and then monitor it regularly - most of those types of accounts have an "autosponder" feature which automatically acknowledges receipt of the candidate's email if you empower it. Some will even forward mail to your regular account. You can then change the autosponder message and disconnect the forwarding feature when the listing is closed.
  • ADDED IN EDIT (non-company email addresses): our new Forum software "automagically" blanks common free email domains to limit spam poster links. If you use such an email address as a temporary mailbox for an ad, respondents can still copy it and send you email if you list it as "domain dot com" and replace the (@) sign with "at" all separated by spaces
Fax: Optional
Ref ID: if you handle multiple listings, emphasize candidates use this in subject block of email, so your email software can automatically sort it to the proper folder.
JOB DESCRIPTION
Title:
Is this replacement or new position
Company description: (If the company is not disclosed, give some idea of size and other details which can help a candidate determine if he might be a "fit.")
Overview: (of the position and how it fits in the overall scheme of the company)
Responsibilities will include:

REQUIREMENTS
Absolute tasks which incumbent will be expected to perform
Personal Qualities:
Stuff to assure the candidate will fit with company culture
Job skills: - necessary

The things you expect the candidate to be competent in using or doing (use a computer, set up SPC (Statistical Process Control) charts, use a CMM (Coordinate Measuring Machine), etc.
Job skills: - nice to have
(the kind of things that move a candidate up from "qualified" to "top of the list")

Experience: - Be realistic in what is really necessary or helpful
Certifications: - "Black belts" are conferred by everyone from ASQ (American Society for Quality) to "Johnny Jackleg" con artists - be careful what you ask for!

MORE INFORMATION: - Stuff to help a candidate make a decision to apply
Benefits: Often, this is the stuff that makes or breaks a deal
Web sites: Recruiter's or employer's, as available
Tell us if: EOE, M/F/D/V (Equal opportunity Employer-male / female / disabled / veteran)
__________________
"Few minds wear out; more rust out"
Inscribed over the entrance of Louis Pasteur School, Chicago
Christian Nestell Bovee (1820-1904) in Thoughts, Feelings and Fancies, 1857

Last edited by Wes Bucey; 29th November 2007 at 01:13 PM. Reason: see item in red about non-company email addresses
Reply With Quote
Thanks to Wes Bucey for your informative Post and/or Attachment!

Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 17th July 2006, 09:15 PM
harry harry is offline
Super Moderator

Registration Date: Sep 2005
Location: Johore/Malaysia
 
Posts: 2,943
Thanks Given to Others: 571
Thanked 1,031 Times in 746 Posts
Blog Entries: 1
Karma Power: 231
Karma: 7783
harry is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.harry is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
harry is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.harry is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.harry is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.harry is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.harry is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.harry is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.harry is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.harry is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.harry is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.harry is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.harry is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Default Re: Suggested job listing template

Thanks for your effort, Wes.

How nice if had this earlier. We could have avoided the 'big misunderstanding' some ten days back.

Regards.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

  #3  
Old 17th July 2006, 10:19 PM
Jennifer Kirley's Avatar
Jennifer Kirley Jennifer Kirley is offline
Forum Moderator

Registration Date: Jan 2004
Location: Maine, USA
 
Posts: 3,106
Thanks Given to Others: 964
Thanked 1,136 Times in 685 Posts
Karma Power: 360
Karma: 13746
Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Jennifer Kirley is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Default Re: Suggested job listing template

Indeed it is very thorough, the kind of thing we would all wish for.

I suppose it is a way to "separate the men from the boys"--I guess many recruiters won't bother with this format, but given I was supposed to devote so much time to my job search I wish they would spend more care too.
__________________
Stealth quality versus no quality
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 18th July 2006, 01:31 AM
Wes Bucey's Avatar
Wes Bucey Wes Bucey is offline
Quality Manager

Registration Date: Sep 2003
Location: Illinois
 
Posts: 7,536
Thanks Given to Others: 182
Thanked 1,127 Times in 762 Posts
Karma Power: 397
Karma: 11090
Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.Wes Bucey is appreciated, and has over 1700 Karma points.
Default Re: Suggested job listing template

I inadvertently put this thread in a "moderator queue" which meant I had to validate any responses before allowing them to be seen by others. This thread is now open for anyone to comment without prior "vetting" by me or any other moderator.

Let's see what happens! Any other comments?
__________________
"Few minds wear out; more rust out"
Inscribed over the entrance of Louis Pasteur School, Chicago
Christian Nestell Bovee (1820-1904) in Thoughts, Feelings and Fancies, 1857
Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation Bar
Go Back   The Elsmar Cove Forum > Professional Employment and Occupation Related > Job Openings and Employment Opportunities

Bookmarks


Visitors Currently Viewing this Thread: 1 (0 Registered Visitors and 1 Unregistered Guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Forum Search
Display Modes Rate Thread Content
Rate Thread Content:

Posting Settings
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Discussion Threads
Discussion Thread Title Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post or Poll Vote
HR (Human Resources) Manual Content and Policies Le Chiffre Occupation Discussions 3 17th January 2008 10:24 PM
H.R. (Human Resources) responsibilities in TS16949 Macjaney ISO/TS 16949 - International Automotive Quality Systems Standard 8 5th July 2005 05:03 AM
Human Resources Mind Map Douglas E. Purdy ISO 9001 - Quality Management Systems Standard 3 30th December 2003 02:34 PM
Auditing Human Resources and Daycare Raffy ISO 19011 and ALL Auditing Discussions 14 28th July 2002 08:28 PM
Human Resources - Section 6.2 MD ISO 9001 - Quality Management Systems Standard 7 6th February 2002 11:59 AM



The time now is 07:22 PM. All times are GMT -4.
The time zone can be changed in your UserCP --> Options.



   

All Y'All Come Back Now, Y' Hear?

Made With A Mac! FreeBSD OS Powered by Apache!
Using php4 Forums provided and maintained by Marc Smith Database by MySQL

FAIR USE and CORRECTNESS NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe herein constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. In addition, I do not guarantee the correctness of the content. The risk of using content from the Elsmar Cove web site and forums remains with the user/visitor.

Responsibility Statement: Each person is responsible for anything they post in the Elsmar Cove forum. Neither I, Marc Timothy Smith, nor any of the forum Moderators, are responsible for the content of posts people make. Liability for post content resides with the poster as does interpretation and/or acceptance and/or use of advice by the reader.

Complaints: If you have a complaint with a post in a forum discussion thread, including Content in general, fighting, flaming, copyright infringement, defamation and/or 'slander', please use the 'Report This Post Report This Post Button button which appears at the top of every post in every thread.

Site courtesy of:
Marc Timothy Smith - Cayman Business Systems, 8466 Lesourdsville-West Chester Road, West Chester, Ohio 45069-1929 - USA
(513) 341-6272

To contact me, click the Google Voice link below, enter Your Name and Your Phone Number and Google will ring your phone and connect you for free!

The Elsmar Cove Web Site is *CopyFree*
no new posts