Oxebridge NG SPAM - Chris Paris - The 40 Day 'Wonder' Implementation - A Scam or not?

[Marc]

These folks recently SPAMMED the quality NG with the following. Any comments, folks?

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From: oxebridge@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: misc.industry.quality
Subject: How to get ISO 9001 registered in 40 days

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 04:56:55 GMT
Organization: RoadRunner - TampaBay

Get ISO 9001 registered in as little as 40 days, with no pre-existing
quality system in place.

--- Registrar of YOUR choice (no conflict of interest.)
--- Low impact program, does not intrude on operations.
--- Fully visible, on-site work, nothing "mailed in."
--- Inexpensive, as much as 1/3 the cost of leading competitors.
--- Includes training and hand-off of system after registration
--- Fully customized system, no boilerplate documentation.
--- Unprecedented success rate: ALL Rapid ISO clients have successfully registered, and ALL have maintained registration throughout surveillance.
--- No unethical "guarantees"--- just proven results (client references available.)
--- Free preassessment audit for qualified candidate companies.

Our proprietary "Rapid ISO Implementation Program" was designed by experienced ISO Administrators, not "consultants," and presents real-world implementation strategies without unnecessary documentation, calibration, or burdensome meetings. Our Implementation Specialists are not consultants, but RAB-certified registrar auditors, with real world, "in-the-trenches" experience, that brings both the views of auditor and auditee to bear on the process.

You provide the commitment to quality; we'll do the rest.

Maybe they are a new branch of PJ!

[Marc]

Among other things there are records requirements. I think these are folks who tell you to hire them technically as 'contract' personnel. They provide a person who serves as Management Rep through the audit. I think another one of the 'tricks' is a management review meeting at the start of the project - which gets a start on that requirement.

I guess what really gets me is the 40 day statement. Few companies with no pre-existing quality system is going to have enough history to show the systems are effective. I have seen companies where a registration audit was possible in 40 days but they had systems in place already.

They are aggressive marketers, and, like PJ, the marketing is probably highly effective.

I think there are many companies out there who have existing quality systems that are compatible with either ISO or QS. These companies are in a good position to become certified at any moment they choose, but for whatever reason have not elected to do so.

I think companies like this already have the committment to stable and progressive manufacturing systems and would elect to use a registration company with a proven track record of honesty and integrity.

You get what you pay for.

ASD...

[Graeme]

It might be possible in a small organization where every single person is 125% committed to the goal. Not otherwise, IMHO. And beyond the initial registration, what is their success rate for surveillance audits?

Their web site appears to be down right now (Sunday evening). Maybe it's swamped by the thundering demand? Looking up the domain name in the Internet "whois" service reveals name, address and phone numbers for those who really want to know. ( http://www.networksolutions.com )


[This message has been edited by Graeme (edited 15 July 2001).]

I wouldn't go anywhere near those people. Unless It's some mom and pop shop with 3 employees it's impossible. How could you write procedures and everything, much less have internal audit evidence. On second thought if you were making snow-kones I guess you could do It.

Greg

Sounds a lot like PJ.
I think that most registrars want at least three months records prior to audit. Anybody who buys a pkg. like this is asking for trouble. BUT........Here's a better one !
There's a company in the UK that, for only 500 Lbs, will give you a cert! Just fill in a form, stating that you have a manual, have done at least one internal audit, send the money and PRESTO ! You're certified! WHat a scam. Just don't get caught by ANSI/RAB or some other REAL organization. I don't know the name of this company, but I'm sure if there's one, there's more. Best do the required work with a reputable registrar.

[D.Scott]

My memory is not what it used to be but I seem to remember an interpretation by IASG on QS-9000 which stated that an applicant company could be audited and approved based on evidence that the documented quality system was in place. The effectiveness of the system could be demonstrated in surveillance audits.
If this were true, wouldn't a pre-packaged system with evidence of management participation (along with a few other smoke screens) be able to squeeze through this crack?
Just a thought but I know there are a lot of disgruntled auditors out there who could not pass the upgrade. Could it be that some of them have pooled all the "tricks" and are pushing the limits of the system?
As for "buying" a certificate, the same goes on right here in the good old USA. When we were scouting registrars one of them (mentioned earlier in this string but I won't say who)came right out and asked where we would like to hang the certificate.
I am not surprised that this new service has started. If there is a way to make a buck, somebody will do it. Watch for the "Shortcut Registration Accreditation Board" opening next month.

Dave